You a mind reader or something?
but then again, I guess with the German victory in WWI, it was obvious to see where this was going. am I right?Hammer's, Sickle's, and Mushroom Clouds. the Story of the Reverse Cold War
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You a mind reader or something?
but then again, I guess with the German victory in WWI, it was obvious to see where this was going. am I right?Yeah, but great job not making this a cliched "France surrenders" TL.You a mind reader or something?
Never mind. It's just that OTL WWII gave the French a bad rep when they surrendered to Germany.
Oh yeah, got ya, I made Germany decisivly beat the Entente ITTL, doesen't stop a Stab in the Back legend from rising up in France through.
America never entered WWI, the Mexican Civil War turned into a full blown intervention by the US Army. (the Zimmerman Telegraph was also never sent ITTL.) Unless you want to consider Mexico apart of the larger conflict. our future Lenin/Stalin expy fought in the Mexican Intervention. nicknamed the Second Mexican-American War.
Repost............ I want to know what you guys think? im personally leaning towards doing the entire decade. then doing the period of 29 to 36. then the years right up to WW2, then split WW2 into three chapters (1939-1941, 1941-1943, 1943-1944)
I assume that this is all just an intro to get to where you want to. Just a few questions:
How did Germany avoid the near-famine they had in 1918/19? Even occupying the Ukraine didn't alleviate that.
Does the influenza epidemic still happen? You could have that hit the allies disproportionately first, although it will spread everywhere in the end.
Will the UK default? A default on its loans from the US would cause a depression in America, which was one reason a lot of influential people supported US entry into the war. Britain guaranteed all the loans to the other allies. They were all in debt to Britain, which was in turn in debt to the US.
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R
How did Germany avoid the near-famine they had in 1918/19? Even occupying the Ukraine didn't alleviate that.
Does the influenza epidemic still happen? You could have that hit the allies disproportionately first, although it will spread everywhere in the end.
Will the UK default? A default on its loans from the US would cause a depression in America, which was one reason a lot of influential people supported US entry into the war. Britain guaranteed all the loans to the other allies. They were all in debt to Britain, which was in turn in debt to the US.
Regards
R
About the famine, the POD is in 1901, so I just went with it wasen't as bad as OTL
I butterflied away the Influenza Epidemic.
And yes, they will, eventually.
"We have been betrayed my fellow Frenchmen, the conspiracy of the Juedeo-Germanic traitors in Paris, underminded the efforts of our army and let the German enemy reach our city and hand us this humilating peace we must life with, I tell you today, we can change this, and all you have to do is follow me, we will make France great once more.
"Hail Geymere!!!!!"
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Jean-Claude Geymere, leader of the National Socialist French Worker's Party, at a party rally in Beaudox, April 1st, 1928
Chapter 3: 1920-1929
The Terrible Twenties
The Terrible Twenties
And so the Peace had been made in Europe, each side had laid it's cards, many changes were about to begin. but first. North America needed to fall to peace.
The United States had intervened in the Mexican Civil War in 1917, effectivly keeping them out of World War I. afte two years of fighting the Mexican rebels had been defeated, in the chaos after the Mexican Intervention, the US decided to annex the prime real estate of Baja California from Mexico, taking the Mexican province and making it a territory of the US, while a Pro-US Puppet Government was set up in Mexico City. thus much of the Western Hemisphere was under US influence. and there actions effected all within the region, US Politics had been complicated since the early 20th century. the somewhat chaotic Presidencies of William McKinley and Charles Evans Hughes brought the decade off to the start, as the US arguably was rising to the status of the European powers in overall power projection, owning many territories in the Caribbean and the Pacific. the US while still maintaining a isolationist policy, was slowly becoming a power. unknowingly at that.
Warren G. Harding
Warren G. Harding would be elected President in 1920, Harding promised a return to normalcy in American politics after the chaotic end to the 1910's. many Americans were just glad to be rid of war in Mexico, and elected Harding. however deep beneth the administration of the Harding presidency was deep corruption. the Harding Administration made many consessions to big buisness corporations such as Ford, Standard Oil. and many others. were bought off by men like Henry Ford and John Rockefeller. the Harding adminstration had a hand at continuing the eventually disastourus policies of giving the big buisness control over the economy, which started with the McKinley presidency, and would continue with Harding's succsessor, Calvin Coolidge., The economy was however doing well at this point, the US, and much of the world, espessicly the German "Mitteleuropa Block" were in a era of economic prosperity called the Roaring Twenties, many new household inventions that had been developed over the last 30 years, such as the Automobile, the Radio, Electricity. Refridgration, and many others, brought about a new era of leisure. and economic possibilities. as families had Sunday Drives. sat around and listened to there favorite radio programs, the US also had a new cultural outburst, the Woman's Revolution, as Women after having worked in the factories to allevate the men going to intervene in Mexico, wanted more oppurtunities. this including jobs being more open to women, and radical new fashions starting to appear on the common market. along with the passing of the 20th Amendment in 1920, Women being granted the right to vote. brought about a new era of equality.
Meanwhile, things over in Russia had been chaotic for a while. as it had been in a Civil War that took it out of World War I between the Bolshevik Communists and the Kerenskyist Republicans. the Communists initially had support, espessicly in the industrial heartland of Russia, from St.Petersburg to the Caucauses. however, the Central Powers had not really wanted a violent Communist state on it's borders, as it was just a ploy to get the weakening Russia out of the war. the French and British had sent peacekeeping troops into Russia during the later parts of World War I. The Central Powers, upon the end of World War I, committed there battle hardend armies to fight the Communists with the Kerenskyist Republicans. the Romanovs had been wiped out almost by the Communists, and thus, it was one of two options. with the backing of the German, Austro-Hungarian, and Ottoman armies, and the British to a extent. the Communists were outnumbered, and thus, began hiding in the Caucauses, with the help of the CP, Moscow would be retaken in 1920, and St.Petersburg in 1921, the fighting would end when the leader of the Communists, Joseph Stalin, was killed in 1922 by a German-Russo army led into the last Communist stronghold in Checnya, and thus, the Communists were soon wiped out, through Russia had lost alot of land in WWI, and now began the long road to became a stable Democratic State.
Kaiser Wilhelm II, A German National Hero
Politics in the Central Powers would remain fairly similar to the Pre-War years. the Social Democrats dominated the Reichstag in Germany, as Kaiser Wilhelm II and the Chancellor would continue to rule the Victorious Empire and it's puppets together, Poland, the Ukraine, and the Baltic states were glad to be "independent" espessicly Poland, which had been wiped off the map for over 100 years. through there domination by Germany and the Mitteleuropa economic alliance was not the most satisfactory return. in the Ottoman Empire and Bulgaria, the King and the Sultan continued to rule, albeit the Ottomans had grown more Democratic. with the reestablishment of the Parliament in 1908. things in Austria-Hungary became interesting, based upon the idea pitched by the late Archduke, Franz Ferdidand. Austria-Hungary became a federalized Union of states. the United States of Greater Austria (Still refered too as Austria-Hungary mostly however) consisting of the states of Austria, Hungary, Bohemia-Moravia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Montenegro, each state having it's own parliament and autonomy to conduct it's own affairs inside it's boundaries (the Slovaks, Romanis and Italians in Trieste and Tyrol were denied representation, however) through the Overall Head of state and Goverment remained the Kaiser (Charles I at the moment in question) and the Minister-President, with a unified National Parliament in Vienna consisting of delegates from all across the Empire. however, some in Austria began to feel resentment towards Berlin, being felt as they were being treated as second fiddle to Berlin's interests, when they saw themselves as a Great Power themselves. radicalism soon saw small popularity spike in Vienna and all of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Through in a minor update, a German War Hero by the name of Adolf Hitler[1] has become a world renowned artist, his many paintings have been highly regarded by the critics of the world, and Mr.Hitler is being compared to the likes of Vinci, rumors say Mr.Hitler might forge into Politics soon.
Mussolini during a speech to a crowd in Rome
Things in Italy got complicated however. Italy, having been scorned by the Entente loss, had a surge of Nationalistic tendencies. and would spawn a new ideology, known as Fascism, this Fascist group was lead by Benito Mussolini, Fascism being a highly nationalistic ideology. Mussolini would lead a March on Rome in 1922, Impressed, King Victor Emmanuel III appointed him Prime Minister. the newly crowned Prime Minister, or Il Duce, as Mussolini prefered, spawned the first Fascist state to exsist in history, and soon, began reshaping Italy into his dream and vision. Fascism would soon find root in France aswell. ah France. her humilating peace had debiliated her national pride. the Third French Republic had to pay 10 billion Reichsmarks to the German Empire in war reperations, this was a dibilitating amount. and threatend to crash, through due to the decent world economc situation, France managed to stay a float, through many radicalist parties had arisen, the most popular being the Socialist Party of France and the National Socialist French Worker's Party (which had attempted to coup the government in 1923, the so called Wine Hall Coup, which sent many party leaders to jail), initially led by Andrus Dressler, but then taken over by a Swiss born Corporal who earned the Golden Eagle in World War I for bravery and courage, Jean-Claude Geymere, the NSFWP and SPF continued to grow, the NSFWP advocated many things, the stab in the back theory, in that the Jewish, German loving traitors in Paris backstabbed the army and let the Germans get ahead and steal the war for France. for a real piece of bullshit. the theory had large credibility among the populace. they also informed of a conpiracy of the Jewish bankers dibiliating the economy, through as the economy got better, this lost credibility, the NSFWP and SDF slowly gained points in the French parliament as the decade weined on. the threatend to take over the already fragile Third French Republic, the leadership of the French Republic. saw the popular support behind both parties, and saw that one of them would eventually take over. it was just determing which one they could control easier. through, still tried to prevent one from taking over, Radicalism was a growing thing in France, hip, you could say. as the populace was eager to reclaim lost glory. not seen since the days of Napoleon.
A Painting of Jean-Claude Geymere commishioned in 1938, for his Times Magazine cover. [2]
Politics in the rest of Europe and Asia, stagnated somewhat for the rest of the decade. Portugal and Great Britain did embrace Fascism however, a Fascist dictatorship taking over late in the decade, 1929 for Portugal, while the British Union of Fascists takes over and overthrow the Royal Family in Great Britain in 1923, this causes Canada to declare it's independence from Britain, becoming the First Canadian Republic , Asia remained quiet however, as India stablized, and the fight betwen China and Japan continued, relations between the Japanese and Russians soured somewhat, but nothing extreme, through China began quelling down the warlords somewhat, through Xinjiang declared independence, and soon begun to fall under Russian influence. and the prospect of a Manchurian puppet regime became real.
Through, nobody would expect what was to happen next.
[1] Yes, Hitler's ITTL. due to the CP Victory, he has no reason to be radical ITTL, so ITTL, he finished Art School and became a succsessful painter. You might be seeing him later on through, as a politician of sorts. not spoiling through.
[2] I am using De Gaulle as a picture base for Geymere, the painting I used for the update looks kinda like Hitler in a way. De Gaulle seemed to work, apperance wise, he still exsists ITTL, but looks diffrent, along with Douglas MacArthur.
[2] I am using De Gaulle as a picture base for Geymere, the painting I used for the update looks kinda like Hitler in a way. De Gaulle seemed to work, apperance wise, he still exsists ITTL, but looks diffrent, along with Douglas MacArthur.
Next Time
The Fall of Empires, the Rise of Radicalism, 1929-1936
EDIT: Forgot a part about Britain.
The Fall of Empires, the Rise of Radicalism, 1929-1936
EDIT: Forgot a part about Britain.
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A good TL! Very well-written, well-formatted, only few mistakes in grammar and spelling, a bit plagiaristic (but I always am and one needs to be!)!
Doing very well here! What will TTLs Stalingrad be? Munich? Milan? Rome (but I can't imagine Geymere invading other fascists)? Maybe Warsaw?
I would think Munich is the best candidate, since it is relatively mountainous and difficult to occupy!
My predictions for World War II and the Cold war,
a) if it is limited to Europe and
b) if it takes place in North America
USSR=UASR is known.
Leningrad=a) Hamburg b) New York
Moscow=a) Berlin or b) Washington D.C.
Stalingrad=a) Munich b) Probably St. Louis, due to it's river position and
Baku=a) Venice or c) Houstun/New Orleans oil-rich area
Fall of France=Fall of Spain?
Norway= Greenland
Benelux= Iceland
Sealion= Invasion of Cuba? Or stays the same.
Cuba= Japan (Japanese Missile Crisis anybody?)
Ukraine=a) Spain b) Mexico
Bulgaria, CFSR, Yugoslavia, East Europe= a) Western Europe b)Central America
GDR= a) West Germany, i.e. only the Ruhrgebiet and the Hamburg-Bremen Area, b) North South America/North Brazil
FRG= a) East Germany (the rest of Germany), b) South Brazil
Write on! Those are only encouraging predictions!
Doing very well here! What will TTLs Stalingrad be? Munich? Milan? Rome (but I can't imagine Geymere invading other fascists)? Maybe Warsaw?
I would think Munich is the best candidate, since it is relatively mountainous and difficult to occupy!
My predictions for World War II and the Cold war,
a) if it is limited to Europe and
b) if it takes place in North America
USSR=UASR is known.
Leningrad=a) Hamburg b) New York
Moscow=a) Berlin or b) Washington D.C.
Stalingrad=a) Munich b) Probably St. Louis, due to it's river position and
Baku=a) Venice or c) Houstun/New Orleans oil-rich area
Fall of France=Fall of Spain?
Norway= Greenland
Benelux= Iceland
Sealion= Invasion of Cuba? Or stays the same.
Cuba= Japan (Japanese Missile Crisis anybody?)
Ukraine=a) Spain b) Mexico
Bulgaria, CFSR, Yugoslavia, East Europe= a) Western Europe b)Central America
GDR= a) West Germany, i.e. only the Ruhrgebiet and the Hamburg-Bremen Area, b) North South America/North Brazil
FRG= a) East Germany (the rest of Germany), b) South Brazil
Write on! Those are only encouraging predictions!
"For too long we have been Oppressed by the Capitalist big buisness oppressing the worker's of glorious America, We shall not stand for this oppresion no longer, today is the dawn of a New America, a Socialist America. built upon the rights of the worker's, the people, where all are equal. Now. We shall work together to pull ourselves out of this Depression, and make America great once again"
Orman Rovelle Brussells, speech to Congress on March 10th, 1933
Orman Rovelle Brussells, speech to Congress on March 10th, 1933
Chapter 4: October 10th, 1929-July 1st, 1936
The Fall of Empires and the Rise of Radicalism
The Fall of Empires and the Rise of Radicalism
October 10th, 1929 Started like any other normal day, the billions of people on the planet woke up and went about there daily lives, the streets of Berlin, Los Angeles, New York, Paris, London, through this would be not any normal day, at 7:38 AM, The United Kingdom defaulted on her massive debts to both Germany and the United States, this caused panic among the bankers of both Germany and the US. as bankers started taking there money out in fear, soon, the banks were bustling, and everyone was taking there money out, the Stock Markets soon became overloaded, and then it all crashed.
The previous decade of Economic Prosperity that exsisted in the world was over in a flash. and most of the world was instantly affected overnight, most importantly however, the United States, France, and Russia.
The United States was arguably hit the hardest, the disastrous policies of the McKinley, Hughes, Bryan, Harding and Coolidge administrations had left big buisness corporations completely in control of the American economy. Herbert Hoover had been elected President in 1928, taking over in 1929, and the Great Crash of 1929 happend barely into his first term. the unprepared President began trying to fix the issues at hand in the US, however it seemed like no matter what he tried it made things worse. the American economy slowly deteiorated further as the years went by. by 1932 over 11 Million Americans were out of jobs, and those that had jobs were paid measly amounts of money, and suffered in terrible work conditions. as after the dying out of the Progressive movement in the early 1910's, measures had not been taking in to improve work conditions, instead big buisness corporations such as Standard Oil and Ford continued to make more of there employees, this caused a surgence in the Communist Movement within the United States, the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA) had formed in 1917, however had not seen much popularity in America, however the Depression had allowed the Communists room to grow. many sick with the disastrous policies of the Democrats and Republicans began turning to the Communist Party, which had been taken over by a Mexican Intervention Veteran, named Brussells, Orman Rovelle Brussells, who had been born in Philadelphia in 1895. had gotten sick of the discisions of the government, and had became a messiah to the Communist movement, a Charismatic leader in his own right, Brussells began planning, the Communists would strike.
Orman Rovelle Brussells, the Premier of the UASR.
The Democratic candidate Franklin Delano Roosevelt had been elected in 1932 to take over the nation, Hoover was preparing to leave office, however the CPUSA was not going to allow this to take place. the CPUSA began plotting, spending weeks getting many high ranking Government Officals on there side. including members of Congress, and even the Vice President, to overthrow the government. the popular support had fallen out of favor with the two main parties, Brussells thought this was there time to strike, so on March 5th, 1933, the CPUSA would stage a coup upon the Hoover administration, the coup would turn out to be succsessful, and with support from many government officals, Brussells was appointed Interim President of the United States, along with suspension of the Constitution. while Hoover was arrested for treason and set to be executed at a later date (Said date would be June 2nd, 1934) Franklin Delano Roosevelt would die during the Coup, as the Communists murdered him in his home in Georgia to prevent him from claiming the office of the Presidency.
5 Days later during a Emergency Session of Congress, Brussells declared that the mistakes of his predecesors would be fixed, that he would make America great once more, and thus at that moment, he declared the United States to be officaly dead, and the Union of American Socialist Republics born, change would sweep across America imidiantly, as the world sat stunned as the Once Great United States collapsed, it was said Rome didn't collapse in a day, but the United States did.
The basic governmental structhure of the Old US would remain in place within the UASR. including the Three Branches of the Government, the posistion of President was renamed Premier, with the posistion of Vice President was abolished and replaced by the General Secretary of the CPUSA, both held by Brussells, the Premiership would be a lifetime posistion, being held until the holder of it dies or resigns. when ethier of these would happen, elections would be called, where candidates from the CPUSA would compete for election, with the most total votes winning, through wheater these elections were free and fair would determinable, much of the Constitution would remain in place. including the recent freedoms given the women, Congress as a structhure would remain in place, through run by the CPUSA. through major changes would come within the administrative division and economy for the UASR. the former 48 states and 3 territories of the UASR were redivided. into 16 "American Socialist Republics" including Alaska and Hawaii, most of these were just giant combinations of former States, and Congress was redistributed to reflect the change. the economy also obviously changed from a Capitalist to a Communist one, through with all these changes, the UASR was still deep in the Depression, Premier Brussells instituted his first "Five-Year Plan" in which he hoped to improve the American economy in due time.
Through the US's influence extended far and wide, as she fell to a Communist revolution, her neighbors would too, Mexico, Cuba, and parts of Central America would fall, much of the rest of Latin America would fall under the influence of the UASR and the "Red Army" in due time, through many events would happen, including the beginging of a Civil War in Brazil, and a Civil War in Chile, as the America's fell a flame in Revolution.
First Citoyen and Chancelier of the French State, Jean-Claude Geymere, inspecting Regiment of the SS in Downtown Paris, 1938
The Fall of the US was predated a few months by the situation in France. France's economy had already been in bad shape, but the Roaring Twenties kept France afloat admist huge reperation payments to Berlin and Vienna. however the Depression aggravated already exsisting issues, and brought about the repopularity of the NSFWP. and it's leader Jean-Claude Geymere, the NSFWP began polling much better in French Parliament elections, finishing top in the polls with 36% in 1931 and 33% in 1932. as the young teenagers of France began painting the NSFWP's "Iron Cross" on there fingernails and toenails, the march of Geymere's "Protection Squadron" goosestepping in there jackboots all across Paris and the French State. President Phillipee Petain saw no choice but to appoint Jean-Claude Geymere "Chancellor" people in the French government thought appointing Geymere and his cronies to political posistions, he could control them, and gain popular support as well. however things would quickly turn agaist Petain, as a Fire would soon destroy the interior of the Parliament Building in Paris 3 weeks after the appointment of Geymere. Geymere, along with the NSFWP Propoganda Minister, Charles De Gaulle. would use this to there advantage. as they spun it to say the Fire was the fault of the Communist Party of France, who they swiftly banned, the Enabling Act of 1933, passed a bit later, essentially suspended the Constitution and gave Geymere and the NSFWP free power to do whatever they wanted. this is marked the beginging of National Socialist France, as Geymere and the NSWFP begun passing a increasing amount of laws aimed to discriminate agaist France's Jew's, and pass there own agenda, cultimating in the Beaudox Laws of 1935, which classified who was a Jew, according to the twisted ideology of the French State was based on, Nasiism, the death of President Petain in 1934 would give Geymere offical supreme power within France, as he officaly declared himself First Citioyen and Chancilier of the French State (First Citizen and Chancellor) Geymere' charisma gave him a loyal devotion in France, as various organizations were formed, such as the Geymere Youth, along with exsisting Paramilitary Wing of the Party. the Sauvegarder Escadron (SS) and the French Secret State Police, the SS would begin marching the streets of France regularily, in there jackboots, as they goosestepped along in elaborate military parades to the cheers of crowd's., Geymere also began a massive Re-Militrization Program, including the building of a Air Force, Tanks, new weapons, and recruitment of more troops. all agaist the Treaty of Versallies. however this went unregulared by the Central Powers, who made no attempt to stop Geymere's increasing power.
Kaiser Wilhelm II, Circa 1934
Speaking of the Central Powers through, one of them would fall to Fascism also. Austria-Hungary had increasingly become shall you say, unrestful with the situation of the Central Powers. many in Austria felt they were a Great Power themselves also. and Berlin had been treating them like dirt (which, was actually true) many in Austria began to feel resentful agaist Germany, feeling it has been duped by the Central Power alliance. and that it had not been treated as a equal partner, the Austrian National Party, led by Josef Leopold, began to exploit said feelings. as the 1934 Minister-President elections came along, The ANP and Leopold would be voted into office by a majority, Leopold was similar to Geymere in a way. through a lot less rascist, he was also a good friend of Benito Mussolini, the Fascist Dictator of Italy. and as a favor, upon his entering office, ended the occupation of Venetia, and promised the return of some Italian territory in the future, Mussolini and Leopold had struck a cord, also, Kaiser Charles I died in 1932, leaving the 20 year old Otto von Habsburg to ascend to the throne in 1932, as Otto I, The election of Leopold would mark the end of the Central Powers unofficaly. politics in the rest of the Central Powers and Europe would remain stable, the Social Democrat Party would remain dominant in the German Empire and her sattelite states, with Franz von Papen assuming the Chancelloricy in 1932, through a War Hero and Painter by the Name of Adolf Hitler would join the party in 1936, and appeared to possibly be a growing start within the Party.. however the Netherlands began to fall under the influence of the French State, the Serbs however began regaining control of there government, as Austria-Hungary began to lose grip on it's vassal state there, the Ottoman Empire, the other member of the Central Powers, would also managed to last the Depression out reletivly well, the Reforms of the last 25 years had made the Empire more Democratic then it ever had been before, with the Grand Vizer being a elected posistion now, the Arabs were still unrestful, but they mostly were fine with the adminstration of Constantinople, the Ottoman Empire looked to a bright future, espessicly with all the untapped Oil it sat on, the Belgians also grew weary of German domination. but the German Empire still remained a world power. Kaiser Wilhelm II was getting up in years, and some wondered if the Old Man of Iron[1], Kaiser Bill would last into the 40's. through his health seemed to be in good shape. and still remained a benelovent ruler over the Empire that loves him.
Leon Trotsly, elected President of Russia in 1932
Politics in Asia were still very stagnant throughout the early part of the 1930's. The Great Crash hit Russia fairly hard, as Russia suffered a depression much along the lines of the American one, however the election of President Leon Trotsky in 1932 would begin a period of change, as his "New Deal" policies began to mark change in the Republic of Russia. the recovering of the Depression would be a slow process. the one nation the Depression didn't hit hard was Japan, which continued to expand further into China, and even snatched the Philippine Islands from the UASR during the intital period after the Brussell's coup in 1933,
However, the world would be set on a course of change forever, when on July 1st, 1936, Jean-Claude Geymere, Josef Leopold, and Benito Mussolini met to sign the "Paris-Vienna-Rome Axis Pact"....
[1] Nickname given to Kaiser Bill ITTL
Next Time, on the Reverse Cold War
Hail Geymere!
July 1st, 1936-December 7th, 1939
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