Discussion in 'Post Test Messages Here' started by Gonzo, Oct 18, 2016.
Sorry, I'm a pedant.
I have... no idea what you're talking... about...
Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
According to what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
By the waters of Babylon
We lay down and wept and
Wept for these I am
We remember, we remember, we
Remember these I am
A golden helmet blinded minds
Among ten thousand swords
Along the road to Babylon
A golden thunder silenced songs
Among ten thousand voices
On the road to Babylon
Well, well, well, beware that golden helmet
Well, well, well
There's no easy way to go
Well, well, well
No easy road to follow
Well, well, well
-Manfred Mann's Earth Band, The Road to Babylon
This looks promising.
My body is ready.
And of course, ya gotta love Manfred Mann references.
If you have seen this man or this calf, please report to your nearest Public Safety Area immediately.
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Killing Home Rule With Kindness
1880-1885: William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal)
1880: Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative), William Shaw (Home Rule)
1885-1888: Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury (Conservative)
1885: William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal), Charles Stewart Parnell (Irish Parliamentary)
1888-1895: William Ewart Gladstone (Liberal)
1888: Randolph Churchill (Unionist), Robert Gascoyne-Cecil (Salisburyite Tory), Charles Stewart Parnell (Irish Parliamentary)
1892: Randolph Churchill (Unionist), Arthur Balfour (Salisburyite Tory), Justin McCarthy (Irish National Federation), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist)
1895-1898: Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery (Liberal)
1895: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist), George Wyndham (Salisburyite Tory), John Dillon (Irish National Federation), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist), Tim Healy (People's Rights - Healyite All for Ireland)
1898-1902: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist)
1898: Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery (Liberal), George Wyndham (Salisburyite Tory), John Dillon (Irish National Federation), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist), Tim Healy (People's Rights - Healyite All for Ireland)
1902-1903: William Vernon Harcourt (Liberal)
1902: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist), George Wyndham (Salisburyite Tory), Arthur Griffith (Sinn Fein), John Redmond (Parnellite Nationalist), John Dillon (Irish National Federation), Tim Healy (People's Rights - Healyite All for Ireland)
1903-1906: Joseph Chamberlain (Liberal-Salisburyite)
1906: Edward James Saunderson (Unionist), Arthur Griffith (Sinn Fein), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentaryt), Henry Hyndham (Social Democratic Federation)
1906: George Wyndham (Liberal-Salisburyite)
1906-1910: Edward Grey (Liberal-Salisburyite)
1910-????: Arthur Conan Doyle (Unionist)
1910: Edward Grey (Liberal-Salisburyite), Arthur Griffith (Sinn Fein), Henry Hyndman (Social Democratic Federation), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary), Tim Healy (Irish Independent Alliance)
The basic idea is that Parnell's short term alliance with the Tories in 1885 remains in place, this see a similar result to OTL at that year's general election, leading to a rather shaky Tory Government being formed, despite the Liberals falling only around 20 seats short of a majority at the general election. The government engages in various reforms on the Ireland issue, eventually culminating in the introduction of a Home Rule Bill to parliament. Over the three years prior to the introduction of the bill, Parnell had gradually worn down Salisbury's opposition, to finally convince him to introduce a watered down bill to (in the words of Arthur Balfour: ) "kill home rule with kindness." This leads to a mass backbench revolt on the Tory benches, leading to the bill only passing with IPP and pro-HR Liberal support. The Lords unsurprisingly block it, but by a 'smaller' margin than predicted. The vote leads to the anti-Home Rule faction, the majority of the Parliamentary Conservative Party, to bolt and form the Unionist Party, led by Randolph Churchill, who despite being an 'establishment figure' was seen to have warm relations with (Ulster) Unionists. The general election forced after the vote sees Gladstone elected with a near landslide majority; the Unionists despite getting less votes than the Salisburyites, get more seats. Gladstone remains in office, not tainted by his OTL push for Home Rule in 1892, and resigns due to similar disagreements over the Navy that forced him out OTL, in 1895. He is replaced by the Earl of Rosebury, who sees the Liberals' majority plummet at the 1895 general election, showing that the Unionists can be a real threat, under their new leader Colonel Edward James Saunderson. It is only a matter of time before the Unionists manage to defeat Rosebury's government, after TTL's Boer War gets bogged down in guerrilla fighting, employed by the Boers. Saunderson is generally successful in terms of foreign policy, 'winning' the war in South Africa. His increasingly militant rhetoric and alliance with the Germans sees his government lose support. Meanwhile in Ireland the O'Shea scandal breaks later than OTL, in 1893, Parnell goes much the same way as OTL; but the rift between the factions remains far and wide, past 1900. This is not aided by Healy forming his own party and stripping further votes from the Anti-Parnellites. This split, plus the militant loyalism of Saunderson sees Griffin form Sinn Fein earlier than OTL, leading to it having modest success in a series of by-elections. This sees the 1902 general election become a mess, with Unionists picking off many Nationalist seats, due to a 4 split in the Nationalist vote; Sinn Fein meanwhile becomes the largest Nationalist party, via Griffith's hardline religiously conservative, yet not revolutionary rhetoric. This bounce in Ireland offsets many losses in the rest of the UK for the Unionists, but they are forced out by a Liberal-Salisburyite electoral pact, which sees the aloof and intellectual William Vernon Harcourt becoming Prime Minister in 1902. His health soon catches up with him, leading to the anti-Home Rule and pro-protectionist 'Empire Joe' Chamberlain becoming Liberal Leader and Prime Minister in 1903. This sees tariffs being imposed on non-Imperial imports, and further links with Germany being formed. Meanwhile in Ireland the various IPP factions managed to come to some agreement, with the Parnellite Redmond elected leader; alas the party brand is still in decline. The 1906 general election sees a slight swing to the Unionists, while SF consolidate their 'dominance' over Nationalism in Ireland. The small socialist party - the 'Social Democratic Federation' led by Henry Hyndman wins several seats, setting it up as the main left-wing party in British politics. Not long after the election, Chamberlain suffers a stroke while dressing for a dinner party; paving the way for Sir Edward Grey, his Foreign Secretary to become Prime Minister (after George Wyndham served as Interim PM from his position as Leader of the House of Commons.) Grey's government begins to loosen ties with Germany, leaving Britain virtually alone in the continent of Europe; this coupled with an armed revolt by the Boers once again, sees Grey's government defeated by the new Unionist leader , the author and former Unionist Chief Whip, Arthur Conan Doyle.
Excited to see this!
Can you explain to me what this is?
Let's just say that Wilson definitely kept us out of war... Oh my is that the sound of all out civil war in Ireland...? Is that the sound of the government collapsing under the weight of a de jure German victory...?
I want more.
I'm thinking of doing this is a sort of mad short TL after my exams. If there's interest that is...
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