Fascist Flag Thread

Roslin's Wig

Alright, a challenge here. Maybe this one's been done before, but here it goes.
Imagine that all the following countries were ruled by racist, imperialist, fascist regimes. Could you design fascist national flags for:

Russia
Japan
China
United States
Israel
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
Australia
South Africa


Okay, please don't ban-hammer me if this is the wrong place for posting this thread.
 

Roslin's Wig

I wasn't really thinking of a time frame, just fascist flags in general (no cheap Nazi-ripoffs, please).

But yeah, any time frame is good.
 
Cook

Cook

Banned
All right, well the most likely one for Australia would be the Eureka Flag; everyone seems to latch onto that.

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mcdo

mcdo

Depending on how strict your definition of Fascism is, you could use the Taisei Yokusankai symbol for Japan:
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I think it is a bit ugly, personally. Alternatively, you could just use some nice calligraphy kanji slogan--say, "kodo"/ Imperial Way--superimposed over the Rising Sun naval flag. I think that would look rather nice.

Of course, this brings up the question of whether or not Konoe's movement was truely Fascist, In my mind, it was not, because it was never really a revolutionary mass movement. I think instead it was merely a very authoritarian government that tried to co-opt other popular movements. Personally, I think the real Fascists in Japan were the lower level radical army officers, who hated the entrenched powers of the bureaucrats and the zaibatsu leaders just as much as they hated democrats and socialists. Of course, they never came close to real power, so I have no idea what kind of symbols they might use.
 

Elfwine

You might not need to change the American flag very much.

No, this isn't a slur on the United States. But an American fascist party would probably claim that it was like apple pie meaning that it represented the "real" America and would misuse specifically American elements, which are not based on the idea of an ancient Glorious Past of Pure Norse-Teutonic Warrior Glory like Germany's Nazis.

I'm not 100% sure on this (it not changing the flag), but I'm throwing it out as an observation.
 
mcdo

mcdo

Elfwine said:
You might not need to change the American flag very much.

No, this isn't a slur on the United States. But an American fascist party would probably claim that it was like apple pie meaning that it represented the "real" America and would misuse specifically American elements, which are not based on the idea of an ancient Glorious Past of Pure Norse-Teutonic Warrior Glory like Germany's Nazis.

I'm not 100% sure on this (it not changing the flag), but I'm throwing it out as an observation.
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This makes sense to me--after all, the Italian fascists never changed their flag. Any US fascist party would claim to be the true sons of the Founding Fathers anyway, so why change the flag? Based on the ideals of so-called "100% Americanism", popular in the 1920s and 30s, I could see them making a small change, like replacing the star field with a Christian cross, for example. There was no shortage of people in the US in this time period who wanted a national identity based on Christian and ethnic grounds, and that is just the sort of people the Fascists would be trying to appeal to.

If you want a party flag, though, I think an eagle holding a fasces would do nicely--preferably in silver, on a nice black background. That symbol wasn't unknown here.
 

Elfwine

mcdo said:
This makes sense to me--after all, the Italian fascists never changed their flag. Any US fascist party would claim to be the true sons of the Founding Fathers anyway, so why change the flag? Based on the ideals of so-called "100% Americanism", popular in the 1920s and 30s, I could see them making a small change, like replacing the star field with a Christian cross, for example. There was no shortage of people in the US in this time period who wanted a national identity based on Christian and ethnic grounds, and that is just the sort of people the Fascists would be trying to appeal to.
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Exactly. I'm not sure if the cross would be there or not - depends on if the We Are Christian Anglo-Saxons element has to be played up, I suppose.

If you want a party flag, though, I think an eagle holding a fasces would do nicely--preferably in silver, on a nice black background. That symbol wasn't unknown here.
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That is a cool symbol. And speaking as someone who hates fascism on principle on multiple levels, I find that disturbing.

Russia is hard to say. I don't know enough with what the Russians identify as True Russian - or a fascist group would use as that - but it would be there.

Fascist flags and symbols have less reason to be radical and different than say Communist symbols, since fascism is a reactionary ideology - it is all about how the Great Nation must return to the Glorious Awesome Past, in Italy the Roman Empire, in Germany the days of giantslaying...

On that note, I'm not sure how much the Israeli flag would change either. And I'm tempted to continue, but not in a public setting.

Possibly something related to Joshua rather than David. Possibly.
 

Theodoric

Fascists either created a mostly new flag (with some older symbolism, like how the Nazi German flag used the German Empire's colours) or, as part of their 'national revival' shtick, reuse older flags with perhaps some alterations.

Fascist South Africa would, for instance, still have the Orange (and/or Red), White, Blue colours of the really old Dutch Prinsenvlag.
 

Tocomocho

I remember old posts in the flag thread with a fascist USA replacing the stars in the canton with an American eagle, implying that the party wants an hypercentralized government with little to no individual power in each state. An emphasis on the "United" part, so to speak. I know, it pretty much goes against everything we can call "American", but that's it.
 

Super Parker Brothers

Banned
Looks horrid, no offense. Might I suggest for starters that you use one of the old American fasces? From the dime the Lincoln Memorial of the House of Representatives Mace. Heck why not have the country start flying the flags of the military groups that ruled the area while pioneers came through? I agree of course that the changing the flag is impractical unless the many more states came into the Union.
 

Nosferatu

I used those Fasces because they're the kind the Fascists in Italy used, and it was easier to find an svg image of that one. Not sure what you mean about military groups and pioneers there though.
 

Roslin's Wig

Russia

Okay, this is a fascist Russian flag I found on google. I like the striking black and gold colors, plus the two-headed eagle which is a symbol of Imperial Russia. The cross on the eagle is the Eastern Orthodox cross, a very important part of Russian tradition.

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Roslin's Wig

USA

And here's the fascist flag for the US of A, which I also found by searching on Teh Intranets. It has the stars and stripes, keeping with tradition (a homegrown American brand of fascism would definitely emphasize tradition and an aggressive patriotism).
The eagle is obviously an American symbol, but this very simple design gives off a more militaristic vibe.

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Roslin's Wig

Japan

Japan is a pretty obvious one. I frankly can't think of anything better than the Rising Sun flag for a fascist Japan (whether it's an empire or a military junta). It probably has the best design of any flag, ever. Note that this one is slightly different from the current JSDF war flag - the gold border is gone, and the red sun is right in the center.
This flag, long a symbol of Japanese nationalism, would be elevated from being a war flag to the national flag.


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DrakonFin

DrakonFin

A while back, I made this flag for a (crypto) Fascist Free State of Åland, a sort of ATL "tax haven for the Nordic race" in the Baltic Sea.

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