Dominion of Southern America - Updated July 14, 2016

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Glen, Feb 22, 2010.

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  1. stjernkjempe Well-Known Member

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    I hope its okay to raise some points against the logic in the "next logical step".

    Social Darwinism (from IOTL) were not all nazis and eugenics. Peter Kropotkin points out in the book "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" (1902) that Darwin didn't define the fitest as the the strongest. Its far from all the strongest and the best that survives. Many anymals survives and evolve as spices through cooperation. Humans too. Or in his words "struggle is replaced by co-operation."

    Its arguable that we don't need to kill the "unfit" and its arguable more "profitable" to be humane and rehabilitate. The mentally ill, physically deficient and socially backwards have all used precious resources by growing up its a waste to not rehabilitate them into productive participating members of society

    Or so the argument were before the first great war IOTL. This is setting aside the logical fallacy of Social Darwinism that "natural order" is always somehting good.

    I hope this gives some good insight for ITTL development of this. Eugenics don't have to be anything stranger than IOTL EUTHENICS in a liberal society.
     
  2. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    It's a possibility.
     
  3. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    No Edisonian DC smear campaign and therefore no Ol Sparky - but you knew that!
     
  4. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Absolutely. I would also note that what is the 'next logical step' for OTL is not always such for TTL.

    No, but some of it was as bad.

    True, it should rather have stated that those who fit the environment the best were the ones who thrived.

    But isn't that just another form of strength? "You will be assimilated..."

    No argument from me on that.

    A reasonable point of view, though I suppose the nazis would counter that it was throwing good money after bad, as it were. Of course, I find that thoroughly disgusting on many levels, but that's what their argument would likely be.

    Yeah, sometimes nature's a real mutha'.

    I appreciate your thoughts, though I already have a pretty clear idea of how this part of the cultural history of TTL will play out. Stay tuned to find out!
     
  5. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    The music of the Southrons of the Dominion continued to be some of the most unique sounding of the Western World, and grew in both popularity and sophistication in the early 20th century. The rise of the Kinetograph also saw the rise of a new Southron style of music, Backbeat. Backbeat combined the Southron music of the 19th century with the use of orchestral instruments from the Classical tradition of Europe and then turned it upside down to create a large, booming, yet oddly personal sound that would become the hallmark of Southron Kinee soundtracks as well as the subject of several musical Kinees.

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  6. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    Nice little update, Glen. What would "Backbeat" sound like to our ears, BTW? I imagine a "blues"-ier sounding country/ragtime sort of thing, but maybe I'm wrong.

    Keep up the good work!
     
  7. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Actually think swing/big band/boogie woogie with a heavier Latin influence.
     
  8. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    A number of Dominion kinetograph production studios were open in the Province of Albion (perhaps appropriately given the lyrical name of the province), with one of the earliest successes being the appropriately named Albion Studios. Albion Studios made everything from epics about the Global War, tales of the taming of the West, and even the Slaver Rebellion to ethnic kinees with predominantly Black or Hindoo casts marketed towards those audiences (especially popular overseas were the Hindoo kinees). Albion kinees were known for their lively Backbeat soundtracks and musicals as well. Albion productions often found appreciative audiences in the United States where they were considered somewhat exotic as well as entertaining. A harder market to break into was the European market, even Great Britain was challenging given their tastes for more Anglocentric stories, though Albion and other Southron studios strove to provide such. However, San Diego and Coronado, where most of the kinetograph industry was situated, was a poor substitute for the green hills of England.

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  9. naraht Well-Known Member

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    OTOH, the area around OTL Nashville, Tennessee (TTL's north central Carleton) would probably be the best area in the DSA for filming things which are supposed to be England (and farther east toward the Appalachians *might* fill in for Scotland), otherwise the areas with the appropriate amount of Green are probably in the USA.
     
  10. CaliBoy1990 Iconoclastic Liberal.

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    Sounds good to me, personally. :D
     
  11. jycee Well-Known Member

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    Actually, you could probably find somewhere in the San Joaquin Valley that fits. It won't be perfect but good enough for the cheap film. Furthermore at this time most films are filmed indoors in sound stages, so it shouldn't be too much a problem.
     
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    Thank you for the comments, gentlemen. You all make good points. I am certain that all of the above will be used by ambitious Southron Kinetomakers.
     
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  14. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    The history of Corn Whiskey in the border regions of the USA and DSA is a storied one, filled with rivalries and sheenanigans. The US state of Kentucky has the best claim to have originated the use of corn, oak casks, and sour mash. However, the Loyalist dominated British Province of Carleton was no far behind, and often claimed to have the superior conditions to distill the quintessential border beverage. In Kentucky it was called Kentucky Bourbon Whiskey (named after the county that was named after the Bourbon royal family of France prior to the French Revolution), but in Carleton it was Carleton Corn Whiskey. By the 1920s, Kentucky Bourbon and Carleton Corn were some of those regions best selling imports worldwide. Of course, most Americans claim allegiance to a Kentucky Bourbon, whereas the majority of Southrons swore by Carleton Corn.
     
  15. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    Mmm...whiskey :). On the one hand, Bourbon's a key ingredient in mint juleps (please tell me those haven't been butterflied). On the other hand, Jack Daniels (and Carleton Corn ITTL, I guess) works really well as a standalone beverage. Would there be a solid moonshining practice in the border region of both countries, or would it tend to fall into one or the other's traditions?
     
  16. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    There is moonshine, but most production is legal. Now then, cross-border smuggling to avoid import taxes and duties, on the other hand, is a time honored tradition for both nations...
     
  17. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    Hey, whether one salutes the Stars and Stripes or the Union Jack*, a hillbilly's a hillbilly :p. I wonder how common such avoidance of taxes and duties is along the border, and not just in the Appalachians?

    *What does the DSA flag look like, anyhow? I know the US flag is colored differently, but I don't seem to recall seeing the Dominion's flag.
     
  18. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Well, actually not. The US type definitely has even more Scots-Irish influences culturally than the Dominion version...

    Ah, now you are asking a very good question...one deserving of an update in a few days....
     
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    Oh no, it just occurred to me... there'd be no Jack Daniels in this world! This TL just became a dystopia :p
     
  20. Glen ASB & Left Hand of IAN Moderator

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    Actually, there are more and better corn whiskeys ITTL - and there will be no Prohibition interregnum...