Decisive Darkness: What if Japan hadn't surrendered in 1945?
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Another depressing thought: if the Republic of Japan is any indication, then the US is still supporting right-wing dictatorships in the name of anti-communism.
Given the fact that the Cold War is still ongoing in TTL 2016 that seems pretty realistic.
As opposed to OTL. Where they support them in the name of anti-terrorism.
Saudi Arabia (which really isn't working very well)? Egypt? Pakistan (which might be going worse than Saudi)? Israel (more a mixed bag, but the anti-terrorism gets praise)? Algeria (more a centrist dictatorship, but has lots of nationalism going on)?
Well, yes, but shows the US hasn't changed it's attitude much. A longer cold war will probably also see those numbers decline as Latin America and other regions grow tired of being kicked around by the US and it's cronies.
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"I'm sick of this blatant imperialism! I'm having a socialist revol-"
President Sanchez has sadly died a natural death while giving a speech.
And? It's no different than if any other power was in charge. Realpolitik is still a thing and powerful nations like having friendly people were in charge. There are far worse nations that could be in charge.
Which is my point? I'm just saying a prolonged Cold War doesn't suddenly make the US extra nasty. (The liberal use of nukes and general bitterness about WWII might though.)
As a final love letter to this timeline i considered completing the table of contents for any who stumbled upon this timeline.
Decisive Darkness:
What if Japan hadn't surrendered in 1945?
Japan was finished as a warmaking nation, in spite of its four million men still under arms. But...Japan was not going to quit. Despite the fact that she was militarily finished, Japan's leaders were going to fight right on. To not lose "face" was more important than hundreds and hundreds of thousands of lives. And the people concurred, in silence, without protest. To continue was no longer a question of Japanese military thinking, it was an aspect of Japanese culture and psychology.
~ James Jones
We can no longer direct the war with any hope of success. The only course left is for Japan's one hundred million people to sacrifice their lives by charging the enemy to make them lose the will to fight
~ Imperial War Journal, July 1945
00 - Prelude: It's Always Darkest Before It Goes Completely Black
August 1945: The Coup
01 - Kyūjō
02 - Kokura
03 - Rumoi
04 - Down in the Fall
October 1945: The Periphery
05 - Raijin
06 - Jinmetsu Sakusen (Manchuria, August 1945)
07 - Carrots and Sticks (Hokkaido, August-September 1945)
08 - Yamaguchi
09 - Zipper (Malaya, August 1945)
10 - Minzoku-Kaiho (French Indochina, August-September 1945)
November 1945: MAJESTIC
11 - X-4 (Prelude to the invasion of Kyushu)
12 - X-Day (Invasion of Kyushu)
13 - Demon Core
14 - You Are All Fireballs
15 - Pure Shores
16 - Bring The Boys Back Home
December 1945: Starvation
17 - Ache
18.1 - Land of the Spirits (Part 1) (Hokkaido)
18.2 - Land of the Spirits (Part 2) (Hokkaido)
19 - Fukuoka
20 - Silent Night
21 - Naiyū-gaikan
22 - Gotong-royong (Netherlands East Indies)
23 - LOST (Netherlands East Indies)
24.1 - Blowback (Part 1) (Netherlands East Indies)
24.2 - Blowback (Part 2) (Netherlands East Indies)
24.3 - Blowback (Part 3)
January 1946: Poison
25 - Naraka
26 - Sandman
27 - How are you, Senyū?
28 - Enjoy the Silence
29 - Seiran
30 - The Golden Bat
31 - Incident
32 - Gaijin Shogun
February 1946: Counter-Coup
33 - Small Print
Interlude - World Map (by Alternate History Geek)
34 - Rūru za wārudo
35 - Baltimore
36 - Nokor Reach (Indochina)
37 - Muang Lao (Indochina)
Interlude 2 - World Map (by Alternate History Geek)
38 - Tuyên ngôn Nhân quyền và Dân quyền (Indochina)
39 - Let's Go To San Francisco
40 - Matsushiro
41 - Shōwa
42 - Interlude: Fifteenth Area Western Radar Network, Station 3, 7:45
43 - Shōwa (Part 2)
44 - Der Tag (Captain America)
45 - Shōwa (Part 3)
46 - Shōwa (Part 4)
47 - Nagano
48 - Sowing the Sky With Fire
49 - Desperation
50 - The Hannibal Gambit
51 - NHK: Final broadcast of Zero Hour, February 20, 1946
52 - He's Closer Now
53 - Mischief
54 - Welcome to Hell
55 - An Extension of What Began in The Old
56 - The Show Must Go On (Netherlands East Indies)
57 - Prosperity (Netherlands East Indies)
58 - And I am Master of a Nothing Place
59 - Fortunate Son
March 1946: CORONET
60 - The World Set Free
61 - Welcome to the Family
62 - The One True King
63 - Before the Kiss, A Recap
64 - Y-Day
65 - More Confusion, Blood Transfusions
66 - I'm Only Getting Started
67 - Kapalikas & Aghoris
68 - The Anvil
69 - The Hammer
70 - Herding
71 - Unraveling
72 - The 'Take To The Hills' Fraternity
73 - PX (California)
74 - Petbe
75 - Puppet Love (Hokkaido)
76 - Fallout
77 - The Rain of Ruin
78 - Head Exploding
79 - The Impatience of Death
April-May 1946: Collapse
80 - The Charnel Call
81 - Just Dropped In (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
82 - The Axe Blade (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
83 - It Never Rains, But It Pours (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
84 - Not One Step Back (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
85 - What's Coming Over That Hill? (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
86 - The Humbled (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
87 - Final Notice
88 - Moving Mountains
June 1946: Endgame
89 - Command Responsibility
90 - Risen from the Ruins
91 - Ne Speshi
92 - This Could Be Beautiful
93 - The Age of Aquarius
94 - Baby, can you dig your man?
95 - Zero Hour
96 - The Day After
97 - Jewel Voice Broadcast
98 - V-J Day
99 - Be sure to wear some posies in your hair (The Sapporo Conference)
100 - You and me run the same course (China's aftermath)
101 - Ex’s and Oh’s (Indochina's aftermath)
102 - Go To Pieces (The Occupation Zones are finalized)
103 - Occupation (The American Zone)
104 - Order (The Commonwealth Zone)
105 - Liberation (The Workers' and Peasants' Democracy of Japan)
Epilogue: Aftermath
106 - The Future Lies Ahead (1948 American election)
107 - Agriculture Is Important (The Dewey Administration)
108 - The Already Defeated
Asia,TTL 2016
Cities Hit by Atomic Bombs:
Hiroshima
Nagasaki
Kokura
Yamaguchi
Miyakonojo
Ijuin
Uzuki
Kumamoto
Fukuoka
Matsushiro
Fukushima
Ishinomaki
Nagoya
Sendai
Niigata
Toyama
Tokoaka
Takasaki
Kochi
Matsuyama
Marugame
Aomori
Kyoto
Nikko
Beijing
DOWNFALL:
THE OCCUPATION ZONES
PARTITION OF JAPAN,TTL 2016 (By Tsar of New Zealand)
WORLD MAP TTL 2016(theman7777)
Decisive Darkness:
What if Japan hadn't surrendered in 1945?
Japan was finished as a warmaking nation, in spite of its four million men still under arms. But...Japan was not going to quit. Despite the fact that she was militarily finished, Japan's leaders were going to fight right on. To not lose "face" was more important than hundreds and hundreds of thousands of lives. And the people concurred, in silence, without protest. To continue was no longer a question of Japanese military thinking, it was an aspect of Japanese culture and psychology.
~ James Jones
We can no longer direct the war with any hope of success. The only course left is for Japan's one hundred million people to sacrifice their lives by charging the enemy to make them lose the will to fight
~ Imperial War Journal, July 1945
00 - Prelude: It's Always Darkest Before It Goes Completely Black
August 1945: The Coup
01 - Kyūjō
02 - Kokura
03 - Rumoi
04 - Down in the Fall
October 1945: The Periphery
05 - Raijin
06 - Jinmetsu Sakusen (Manchuria, August 1945)
07 - Carrots and Sticks (Hokkaido, August-September 1945)
08 - Yamaguchi
09 - Zipper (Malaya, August 1945)
10 - Minzoku-Kaiho (French Indochina, August-September 1945)
November 1945: MAJESTIC
11 - X-4 (Prelude to the invasion of Kyushu)
12 - X-Day (Invasion of Kyushu)
13 - Demon Core
14 - You Are All Fireballs
15 - Pure Shores
16 - Bring The Boys Back Home
December 1945: Starvation
17 - Ache
18.1 - Land of the Spirits (Part 1) (Hokkaido)
18.2 - Land of the Spirits (Part 2) (Hokkaido)
19 - Fukuoka
20 - Silent Night
21 - Naiyū-gaikan
22 - Gotong-royong (Netherlands East Indies)
23 - LOST (Netherlands East Indies)
24.1 - Blowback (Part 1) (Netherlands East Indies)
24.2 - Blowback (Part 2) (Netherlands East Indies)
24.3 - Blowback (Part 3)
January 1946: Poison
25 - Naraka
26 - Sandman
27 - How are you, Senyū?
28 - Enjoy the Silence
29 - Seiran
30 - The Golden Bat
31 - Incident
32 - Gaijin Shogun
February 1946: Counter-Coup
33 - Small Print
Interlude - World Map (by Alternate History Geek)
34 - Rūru za wārudo
35 - Baltimore
36 - Nokor Reach (Indochina)
37 - Muang Lao (Indochina)
Interlude 2 - World Map (by Alternate History Geek)
38 - Tuyên ngôn Nhân quyền và Dân quyền (Indochina)
39 - Let's Go To San Francisco
40 - Matsushiro
41 - Shōwa
42 - Interlude: Fifteenth Area Western Radar Network, Station 3, 7:45
43 - Shōwa (Part 2)
44 - Der Tag (Captain America)
45 - Shōwa (Part 3)
46 - Shōwa (Part 4)
47 - Nagano
48 - Sowing the Sky With Fire
49 - Desperation
50 - The Hannibal Gambit
51 - NHK: Final broadcast of Zero Hour, February 20, 1946
52 - He's Closer Now
53 - Mischief
54 - Welcome to Hell
55 - An Extension of What Began in The Old
56 - The Show Must Go On (Netherlands East Indies)
57 - Prosperity (Netherlands East Indies)
58 - And I am Master of a Nothing Place
59 - Fortunate Son
March 1946: CORONET
60 - The World Set Free
61 - Welcome to the Family
62 - The One True King
63 - Before the Kiss, A Recap
64 - Y-Day
65 - More Confusion, Blood Transfusions
66 - I'm Only Getting Started
67 - Kapalikas & Aghoris
68 - The Anvil
69 - The Hammer
70 - Herding
71 - Unraveling
72 - The 'Take To The Hills' Fraternity
73 - PX (California)
74 - Petbe
75 - Puppet Love (Hokkaido)
76 - Fallout
77 - The Rain of Ruin
78 - Head Exploding
79 - The Impatience of Death
April-May 1946: Collapse
80 - The Charnel Call
81 - Just Dropped In (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
82 - The Axe Blade (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
83 - It Never Rains, But It Pours (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
84 - Not One Step Back (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
85 - What's Coming Over That Hill? (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
86 - The Humbled (Soviet Invasion of Northern Honshu)
87 - Final Notice
88 - Moving Mountains
June 1946: Endgame
89 - Command Responsibility
90 - Risen from the Ruins
91 - Ne Speshi
92 - This Could Be Beautiful
93 - The Age of Aquarius
94 - Baby, can you dig your man?
95 - Zero Hour
96 - The Day After
97 - Jewel Voice Broadcast
98 - V-J Day
99 - Be sure to wear some posies in your hair (The Sapporo Conference)
100 - You and me run the same course (China's aftermath)
101 - Ex’s and Oh’s (Indochina's aftermath)
102 - Go To Pieces (The Occupation Zones are finalized)
103 - Occupation (The American Zone)
104 - Order (The Commonwealth Zone)
105 - Liberation (The Workers' and Peasants' Democracy of Japan)
Epilogue: Aftermath
106 - The Future Lies Ahead (1948 American election)
107 - Agriculture Is Important (The Dewey Administration)
108 - The Already Defeated
Asia,TTL 2016
Cities Hit by Atomic Bombs:
Hiroshima
Nagasaki
Kokura
Yamaguchi
Miyakonojo
Ijuin
Uzuki
Kumamoto
Fukuoka
Matsushiro
Fukushima
Ishinomaki
Nagoya
Sendai
Niigata
Toyama
Tokoaka
Takasaki
Kochi
Matsuyama
Marugame
Aomori
Kyoto
Nikko
Beijing
DOWNFALL:
THE OCCUPATION ZONES
PARTITION OF JAPAN,TTL 2016 (By Tsar of New Zealand)
WORLD MAP TTL 2016(theman7777)
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The Chinese and Koreans are in no state to occupy anything, as they can't even properly defend their own land. The French on the hand are a Great Power with global reach and responsibility to global security as one of the UN permanent security council members.
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