DBWI: Japanese Move Capital to Tokyo

There is a city alive and well today, the city of Kyoto, where the Japanese emperors have called home since 794 AD. Now it is a thriving metropolis of over 15 million people in the greater Kyoto area.

But now, ask yourself how different things would have been had the capital been moved to Edo, now known as Tokyo, as was proposed in 1868?
 
I just can't see it - as wealthy and prosoperas as Edo/Tokyo is now and was then, Kyoto has always been the seat of the Emperor. Even the Meji government was not so bold as to challenge that tradition.
 
I just can't see it - as wealthy and prosoperas as Edo/Tokyo is now and was then, Kyoto has always been the seat of the Emperor. Even the Meji government was not so bold as to challenge that tradition.

How negatively do you suppose the cultural purists of the period would have received the relocation of the Emperor's residence?
 
OOC: The word Tokyo literally means "Eastern Capital", so it would still be named Edo ITTL.

IC:

I don't think it would have made much of a difference for japanese history. The traditionalist factions that were in favour of the restoration of imperial power would be happy to see the Emperor install himself in the city that had been recognized as the true center of power in Japan for the past several hundreds of years, the only people that might be pissed would be Tokugawa loyalists, and they were bound to be in conflict with the new government anyway
 
Yeah, hard to see how much of a difference it would have made. Of course, that's the great thing about butterflies, isn't it - the differences could be huge. I mean, for example, we might never have seen the Second Russo-Japanese War and the formation of the Far Eastern Republic, which would have had a huge impact on Asian history. The problem is, though, it's hard to plot an event chain from something like the capital changing.

That was just a random example, incidentally - my eye alighted on a picture of the Emperor's recent visit to Karafuto, so the Russian Wars sprang to mind :D
 
Actually Phonetically the Standard japanese very similar to Portuguese in phonetics such as Tch, Ch/X and J/G which made it easier to assimilate more Portuguese influences, the dialects of Kyoto and Osaka, the current Standard Japanese were much easier to learn, the Eastern Japanese dialects are more umlaut and more difficult to learn..
 
Besides difference in language, how much would the rest of Japanese society differ?
Well,I don't see any significant changes in the Japanese society in general, honestly.
Although the difference is that the daimyos would reside in Edo near the Shogun than in the western part of Imperial Palace complex.
 
Probably would be better to keep a bit clearer distinction between IC/ATL posts and OOC/OTL posts. Just MHO. ;)

Anywho, here are some OOC observations:

There ought to be a bit better reason for Meiji not moving to the place where the institutions of power had established themselves in a city much larger than Kyoto.

Several of the cities, including Kyoto, went by a couple of different names.

Osaka wasn't officially one singular city until 1889. What became Osaka city was spread over 3 provinces - Kawachi, Izumi, and Settsu - previous to that. Sakai was already an established independent city before the reorganization. It's entierly possible Sakai could eclipse Osaka. Or some other formulation.

The Fuhanken reorganuzation took place in 1868 and so names can be played with easily here. :D

Playing off of some of those...

IC:
I do find it amusing how long the old naming conventions from the colonial period have stuck around. The Japanese haven't called it Kyoto since the second Fuhanken reform - it's Keishi. (1)

As for moving it, there would have to be some big motivation. Maybe if the big fires hadn't done so much damage to Edo, it would have remained better suited? (2)

As for culture, kabuki was more associated with Edo. If the capitol was there it might be more important than the bunraku puppet theater of Sakai. (3)

You know, this is kind of a timely topic, what with the anniversary of the Great Hyogo Earthquake and all. Might not have been so devastating to the economy and general stability if Hyogo were smaller. Less loss of life, as well. (4)

1 - Think Bombay/Mumbai or Calcutta/Kolkata, for example. Keishi is an actual alternate name for Kyoto. For those unfamiliar with the term, the fuhanken reform was an organizational reform of yhe old provinces that was part of the Meiji reforms. Make of a 2nd fuhanken reorganization what you will.

2 - Edo had lots of big fires. Take the fires associated with the Ansei earthquakes of the mid/late 1850s and add a couple of big fires from other causes in quick sucession following those, and that could possobly knock Edo hard enough to keep Meiji in Kyoto.

3 - OTL kabuki is more well known worldwide than bunraku, the puppet theatre associated with the Osaka. Here we have a cultural influence of not moving the capitol as well as Sakai remaining a major city rather than a suburb of Osaka.

4 - The Great Hanshin Earthquake of Jan 17, 1995. Here, Kobe and Northern Osaka are Hyogo. (Hanshin is derived from the characters for Kobe and Osaka and referes to the confluence of the two cities.) ITTL, Osaka is much reduced and Hyogo and Sakai are the important ports. There has been some interesting speculation on how bad the next major earthquake to hit Tokyo proper. It's well overdue and could likely cause a global recession as well as resulting in hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths. Projecting that sort of damage on the assumption that Hyogo would be built up much more.
 
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