Create a Revolutionary Gov’t Ideology

[Fenwick]

True Facism/ Coperatism

Mussolini once said, "Fascism is mislabeled. In truth it is the coperation, and the state working together."

Copreatism is a merger of the State and business. The states exists to protect the people, but it works for itself more often then not. A coperation exists to make money. Be joining the two the government is forced to look at more cost effective ways on dealing with things. Every business is semi-autonomus, but had to answer to a State board of directors. People vote for their president, and congress, but approval by the board has to occur for plans to move through.

The board of directors lays out the governement budget each year. If the government goes over, penalties are given, (Impeachment, forced resignation) the main purpose of the governement is protection, defenese, education,and maintaining infastructure.

Everything else is handled by a business of some sort. The government, having control of the police, can use it to stop trusts, and either that disruptes free trade. So a massive price war will always go on. Utopia will come about, for it is cost effective. Cheaper to maker bio-deisel then drill oil, better to have health care so no one will be bankrupt and stop spending money.

 

[lasvegan2005]

Liberal Dictatorship.

There is a small government that does very little - defence, law and order, basic provision for the extremely needy.

To keep things in this state there are no elections. There is a lottery elected assembly that looks into corruption and abuse of power by a sef-selecting executive - but it can initiate nothing.

There would also be complete judicial independence.

There are no laws on behaviour, free speech, social engineering. trading standards lwas are limited to making sure products do not actually kill people.

And that's it.

It's clear you're thinking of classical liberalism, not US "left-liberalism". That makes me think of this book, "Jennifer Government", by Max Barry, an Australian:

http://www.maxbarry.com/jennifergovernment/

Basically you have US-style laissez-faire capitalism covering the entire globe, with a few small holdouts (like France). Canada, the UK, Australia, and much of the Third World are just territories of the "United States Global Free Trade Association". The government is vestigial and will only perform services (including police protection) for those willing to pay. Technically, there are no laws except what the tiny government will investigate for its customers.

Here's the cover blurb:

"Welcome to paradise! The world is run by American corporations (except for a few deluded holdouts like the French); taxes are illegal; employees take the last names of the companies they work for; the Police and the NRA are publicly-traded security firms; and the U.S. government only investigates crimes it can bill for.

"Hack Nike is a Merchandising Officer who discovers an all-new way to sell sneakers. Buy Mitsui is a stockbroker with a death-wish. Billy NRA is finding out that life in a private army isn't all snappy uniforms and code names. And Jennifer Government, a legendary agent with a barcode tattoo, is the consumer watchdog from hell."

 

[Farnham]

http://www.maxbarry.com/jennifergovernment/

Basically you have US-style laissez-faire capitalism covering the entire globe, with a few small holdouts (like France). Canada, the UK, Australia, and much of the Third World are just territories of the "United States Global Free Trade Association". The government is vestigial and will only perform services (including police protection) for those willing to pay. Technically, there are no laws except what the tiny government will investigate for its customers.

Here's the cover blurb:

"Welcome to paradise! The world is run by American corporations (except for a few deluded holdouts like the French); taxes are illegal; employees take the last names of the companies they work for; the Police and the NRA are publicly-traded security firms; and the U.S. government only investigates crimes it can bill for.

"Hack Nike is a Merchandising Officer who discovers an all-new way to sell sneakers. Buy Mitsui is a stockbroker with a death-wish. Billy NRA is finding out that life in a private army isn't all snappy uniforms and code names. And Jennifer Government, a legendary agent with a barcode tattoo, is the consumer watchdog from hell."

What the hell?
Sounds like an anarcho-capitalist's wet dream.

 

[Justin Pickard]

What the hell?
Sounds like an anarcho-capitalist's wet dream.

It is a very strange book.

 

[Jason]

Almost sounds like Ankh-Morpork on speed

It's clear you're thinking of classical liberalism, not US "left-liberalism". That makes me think of this book, "Jennifer Government", by Max Barry, an Australian:

http://www.maxbarry.com/jennifergovernment/

Basically you have US-style laissez-faire capitalism covering the entire globe, with a few small holdouts (like France). Canada, the UK, Australia, and much of the Third World are just territories of the "United States Global Free Trade Association". The government is vestigial and will only perform services (including police protection) for those willing to pay. Technically, there are no laws except what the tiny government will investigate for its customers.

Here's the cover blurb:

"Welcome to paradise! The world is run by American corporations (except for a few deluded holdouts like the French); taxes are illegal; employees take the last names of the companies they work for; the Police and the NRA are publicly-traded security firms; and the U.S. government only investigates crimes it can bill for.

"Hack Nike is a Merchandising Officer who discovers an all-new way to sell sneakers. Buy Mitsui is a stockbroker with a death-wish. Billy NRA is finding out that life in a private army isn't all snappy uniforms and code names. And Jennifer Government, a legendary agent with a barcode tattoo, is the consumer watchdog from hell."

 

[Wozza]

It's clear you're thinking of classical liberalism, not US "left-liberalism". That makes me think of this book, "Jennifer Government", by Max Barry, an Australian:

Indeed. I was thinking of something quite different to the ideas you outlined. The whole point would be a clearer separation of political and economic power. The removal of democracy would enable the government to ignore the siren voices calling for greater accumulation of economic power by the state for the "greater good."
The only challenge in suich a system would be to retain accountability and prevent collossal corruption by the political elites.

The corporate government option would not be particularly liberal, having the private sector take over the public realm would seem to have few advantages over the public realm taking over the private.

 

[MerryPrankster]

Another "revolutionary ideology" could be a variant on "Christian reconstructionism."

CR is based on the post-millenial interpretation of the return of Christ--Jesus will return to Earth after a 1000 years of peace, justice, etc. manifested by His church. The view was popular in the Victorian Age, when everyone believed that "progress" would never end, but the World Wars essentially killed it.

However, AFAIK, the old-school post-millenialism was fairly benign (pushing the Church to go out and do good to bring about the Kingdom of God on Earth).

The CR philosophy is much darker. The ultimate goal is a some sort of theocratic regime based on the Old Testament laws, with lots of stonings. Very capitalistic (though a ban on unions and loaning at interest does not seem particular "free") and with a super-limited gov't (everything, as much as possible, is done on the county level); some CR types post on www.lewrockwell.com .

Owing to the distaste many members of this board have for "The Religious Right" (though the CRs are largely distinct from the RR), I figure this'll get more attention than my idea about Libertarianism being a revolutionary movement.

 

[Farnham]

If you want insight into Christian Reconstructionist thinking, read Gary North's archive of columns over at Lew Rockwell.
He basically wants the most laissez faire of laissez faire economics and law based on Old Testament morality. He makes Pat Roberston look like a mushy moderate.

 

[Gamingboy]

I once had this idea called a "Borg Majority Government", where there is a group of people in charge of the government. They come up with possible decisions the country will take, and then, the entire general public votes on what decision it will take.

For example, let's say the country (let's call it Majoria) wanted to invade, O, Monaco. Whether to declare war would be decided through a online vote by Majorians. Anyone in Majoria over 12 would be able to vote. If the majority of Majorians answered "Yes" to "Should we invade Monaco", then the war engine would start right away.


It would be easy for a revolution however, due to hacking, corruption, politicians on the "group" taking advantage of the system, etc....

 

[lasvegan2005]

I once had this idea called a "Borg Majority Government", where there is a group of people in charge of the government. They come up with possible decisions the country will take, and then, the entire general public votes on what decision it will take.

For example, let's say the country (let's call it Majoria) wanted to invade, O, Monaco. Whether to declare war would be decided through a online vote by Majorians. Anyone in Majoria over 12 would be able to vote. If the majority of Majorians answered "Yes" to "Should we invade Monaco", then the war engine would start right away.


It would be easy for a revolution however, due to hacking, corruption, politicians on the "group" taking advantage of the system, etc....

This is not a new concept; it is called "direct democracy" or "plebiscitory democracy" where all major issues are decided in plebiscites. Although the idea is not new, it has never (to my knowledge) been implemented in full-blown fashion by a nation state. Many of the cantons of Switzerland employ this process, or at least used to.

 

[Wendell]

How about a "Multicapitalist" state?

 

[lasvegan2005]

How about a "Multicapitalist" state?

Please elaborate....

 

[Wendell]

Please elaborate....

Capitalism for all people equally; an economic ideology whereby the government insures that every citizen will become a successful capitalist and land owner without excessive taxation or loss of privacy or freedom. All social issues (drugs, sex, abortion, criminal punishment, etc.) should be decided by a direct democratic vote of the nation in plebiscites, or by the administrative units within the nation. I will warn you, the main page of the website seems to be run by a nut, but here is a link to the platform of a "Political Party" advocating http://www.oicu2.com/afc/who.html.

 

[Tynnin]

The Class Republic

Parliamentary

Upper House: Eligibility dependent on economic status (you must be worth X-amount to ride this ride). Seats are bought and sold like any other commodity (though in theory a person or family can “own” a seat for many years and many generations).

House of Labor: Eligibility dependent on economic statue (those of the “working class”). Elections for seats are held every two years (based on majority vote).

Prime Minister: Elected from the “middle class” every three years (unlimited successive years), though position can be subject to a vote of confidence at any time.

 

[lasvegan2005]

The Class Republic

Parliamentary

Upper House: Eligibility dependent on economic status (you must be worth X-amount to ride this ride). Seats are bought and sold like any other commodity (though in theory a person or family can “own” a seat for many years and many generations).

House of Labor: Eligibility dependent on economic statue (those of the “working class”). Elections for seats are held every two years (based on majority vote).

Prime Minister: Elected from the “middle class” every three years (unlimited successive years), though position can be subject to a vote of confidence at any time.

Yes, but is this totalitarian?

 

[Wendell]

The Class Republic

Parliamentary

Upper House: Eligibility dependent on economic status (you must be worth X-amount to ride this ride). Seats are bought and sold like any other commodity (though in theory a person or family can “own” a seat for many years and many generations).

House of Labor: Eligibility dependent on economic statue (those of the “working class”). Elections for seats are held every two years (based on majority vote).

Prime Minister: Elected from the “middle class” every three years (unlimited successive years), though position can be subject to a vote of confidence at any time.

As head of both the government AND the state?

 

[Tynnin]

Yes, but is this totalitarian?

No, or at least I wouldn’t think so.

As head of both the government AND the state?

In a way both and in a way neither.

I was picturing the PM in this scenario as more of a go-between – a measure to placate the “middle class” since they aren’t wealthy enough to buy their way into the Upper House and don’t have “working class jobs” that make them part of the House of Labor. A voice of the disenfranchised, if you like. He/she would be the deciding vote on deadlocked legislation in either Houses (especially in the case where legislation started in say the Upper House is in danger of failing in the House of Labor). I would put him and his cabinet (picked from members of both houses) in charge of any comities that were formed – not solely, but they would head the comities (say, to investigate corruption or to find out if people like blue paper hates for street food venders or green ones). She would also be the government representative to the military – not solely in charge of making military decisions but the voice of the government (and theoretically the people) in regard to military matters.

 

[Strategos' Risk]

Hey, Tony, you're still writing TLs? Good to hear it.

Anyhow, good ideas, everybody. I hope one day someone will make a timeline based on one of these and it will fight socialism, fascism, and democracy, as in Ian's Unity. Should be quite interesting.

 

[Superdude]

How about something along the line of the teachings of Nathan Holn, in the book The Postman?

 

[Evil_evol]

Randomism

An ideology based on the idea of the universal objectivity of numbers and randomness. As many aspects of the randomist society as possible are ruled by numbers. Name, place of living, education and future occupation of a person is decided by a computer generated number. To ensure confindentiality, the computers are run by engineers; the ones with the real power in this society. This form of government is of course highly ineffective, as one computer generated decision can totally clash with another, causing really wierd effects on society.

I can imagine crime and punishment in the randomist society. when a crime is commited, a random person is picked and then has the 50-50 % chance of either being convicted or found innocent. If found guilty, the punishment is decided by random. Thus, a totally innocent person that is accused of massmurder can get away with a 1$ fine, since even the fine itself is merely a random number translated into money.