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What sort of arrangement do you have in mind?


I'm not entirely sure to be honest. It seems that there were a lot of different issues, more than the obvious. One big point was Commonwealth access to the European markets in addition to the UK, so as to reduce the need for NZ and the other dominions to go further afield (Japan, USSR, US etc). Perhaps you could get France to agree to reasonably generous Commonwealth access to their markets as well? In exchange for preference to French production over everyone else bar the UK. Instead of a ten year agreement as per OTL, maybe a 15-20 year period?

If you need to look at this question further, for not just UK-NZ, but UK-AUS, CAN, then take a look at the Ottawa Agreements, which were (I think), the key agreements between the UK and Dominions over mutual trade preference.

Here is a link to an article on the topic

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1877/is_n2_v43/ai_n28694285/pg_3/
 

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Matignon Accord

Following the joint declaration of the President of theCouncil of the French Republic and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland dated 22 February 1957 on the organization and principles of cooperation between the two states, the following were approved:

I. - ORGANIZATION

1. The Heads of State and Government will give the necessary directions and need follow regularly the implementation of the program set out below. They meet for this purpose whenever necessary and will, in principle, at least twice a year.

2. The Foreign Ministers will ensure execution of the program as a whole. They will meet at least every three months. Without prejudice to the contacts normally established through embassies, officials of both Ministries of Foreign Affairs, dealing respectively with political, economic and cultural, will meet each month alternately in Paris and London to take stock of outstanding problems and prepare the meeting of Ministers. Moreover, diplomatic missions and consulates of both countries and their permanent representations to international organizations will take all necessary contacts on issues of common interest.

3. Regular meetings will take place between authorities of both countries in the fields of defense, education and youth. They will not affect the functioning of existing organizations whose activities will be developed instead. The Foreign Ministers will be represented at these meetings to ensure overall coordination of cooperation;

a) Ministers of the Army or Defense will meet at least once every three months. Similarly, the French Minister of Education meet, at the same rate, Minister of Education of United Kingdom;

b) the Chiefs of Staff of both countries will meet at least once every two months, if not possible, they will be replaced by their representatives accountable;

c) the Chiefs of Staffs of individual military services ( Navy, Army and Air Force ) will meet at least once every three months, if not possible, they will be replaced by their representatives accountable;


4. In each country, an interministerial committee will be responsible for monitoring the problems of cooperation. It will be chaired by a senior official of Foreign Affairs and will include representatives of all departments concerned. Its role will be to coordinate the ministries concerned and to report periodically to the Government on the state of French-British cooperation. It will also be responsible to present any useful suggestions for the implementation of the cooperation program and its extension to new areas.

II. PROGRAM

A. - Foreign Affairs

1. The two Governments will consult before any decision on all important matters of foreign policy, and primarily on issues of common interest to achieve as much as possible, in a similar position. This consultation will include the following topics: Issues with the European Communities and European Political Cooperation, East-West relations, both politically and economically; Cases handled within NATO and various international organizations in which the two governments concerned, including the Council of Europe, the Western European Union, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the UN and its institutions specialized.

2. Collaboration already established in the field of information will be continued and developed between the services concerned in Paris and London and between missions in third countries.

3. With regard to assistance to developing countries, both Governments will systematically compare their programs to maintain close coordination. They will study the possibility of undertaking joint projects. Several departments are responsible for these matters, the French side as the German side, it is up to two foreign ministries jointly determine the practical bases of this collaboration.

4. The two Governments will study jointly how to strengthen their cooperation in other important areas of economic policy, such as agricultural and forestry policy, energy policy, problems of communication and transportation and industrial development, as part Common Market, and the policy of export credits.

5. Government of France will support membership of United Kingdom in European Economical Community and in other European Cooperation Organisations.


B. - Defence

I. - The objectives in this area are:

1. In terms of strategy and tactics, the competent authorities of both countries will endeavor to harmonize their doctrines with a view to reaching common understandings. French-British institutes of operational research will be created.

2. Staff exchanges between the Armed forces will be multiplied and will concern in particular teachers and students of staff colleges and they will include the temporary detachment of entire units. To facilitate these exchanges, an effort will be made on both sides for teaching practical language to the students.

3. Armaments, both Governments will endeavor to organize a joint work from the stage of project development of appropriate weapons and preparation of financing plans. To this end, joint committees will examine current research on these projects in both countries and conduct comparative examination of them. They will present proposals to the ministers will discuss during their quarterly meetings and provide the necessary implementing guidelines.

4. Both Governments will support cooperation of defence industry companies of both countries in fulfilling defence needs of both countries.


II. - Governments will study the conditions under which a French-British collaboration can be established in the field of civil defense.


C. - Education and Youth


1. In the field of education, efforts will focus on the following:

a) Teaching Languages:
The two Governments recognize the key importance for the French-British cooperation knowledge in each country of the other's language. They will endeavor to this end, to take concrete steps to increase the number of British students learning French and that French students learning English. In all higher education institutions, should be organized practical teaching of the French language in Britain and the English language in France, which will be open to all students.

b) Problem of equivalence:
The competent authorities of both countries will be invited to accelerate the adoption of provisions concerning the equivalence of periods of study, examinations, degrees and diplomas.

c) Cooperation in scientific research:
Research organizations and scientific institutes develop their contacts starting with a mutual information further, collaborative research programs will be established in disciplines where this is feasible.

2. All opportunities will be offered to young people of both countries to strengthen the bonds that unite and strengthen their mutual understanding. Collective exchanges are particularly increased. A body to develop these opportunities and to promote exchanges will be created by the two countries with, on his head, an independent board of directors. This organization will have a joint French-British funds be used for exchanges between the two countries of pupils, students, young craftsmen and young workers.

III. - FINAL

1. Necessary directions be issued in each country for the immediate implementation of the foregoing. The Foreign Ministers will take stock of the experience acquired in each of their meetings.

2. The two Governments may make such adjustments as may be desirable for the implementation of this Treaty.

5. This Treaty shall enter into force when each Government has informed the other that, internally, the conditions necessary for its implementation have been met.

Done at Paris, February 22, 1957, in duplicate, in French and English, both texts being equally authentic.


French Prime Minister
Guy Mollet

The French Minister of Foreign Affairs
Christian Pineau


Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Anthony Eden

Foreign Secretary of the United Kingdom
Selwyn Lloyd
 

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Negotiations 1

Negotiations between United Kingdom and other six member states of future EEC began at end of February in London.

United Kingdom stated readiness to become a member of EEC but with some peculiarities.

1) UK wanted longer transition periods, as liberalisation of customs barriers was envisaged in four stages, each three years long, UK asked for longer period where four stages will be long five years each so that UK industry had enough time to prepare

2) UK wanted that common agricultural and fisheries policy is delayed for at least 10 years and that even after that period UK fishing area in North Sea and in Channel remains closed for fishing to French and other European fishermens

3) UK wanted that she has not decimalise the pound after acession to EEC

4) UK wanted that she can continue to have imperial preferences system with members of Empire/Commonwealth under existing agreements ( especially with Australia and New Zealand ) and that one day UK can independently negotiate new such agreements with Commonwealth countries

The French were largely supporting British position but wanted freedom of fishing in the Chanell. Germans wanted that British adjustment periods are the same as for other member-states and that Britain severe free trade agreements with Commonwealth countries. Belgium and Netherlands were concerned mostly about right of fishing in North Sea and freedom of export of their agricultural products in United Kingdom. Italy was also intrested to get acess of their agricultural products on UK market.
 
Reaction on what?

Well between Suez, the resurgence of the former imperial powers, the Nato alliance showing some big problem and the enstablished superpowers (Urss and USA) see the born of some (theoretical) competition well the government circle over the world will be buzzing of rumors and speculations.
Take as example Yugoslavia and India (who with Egypt founded the non aligned movement...at least in OTL), they can see UK/France as a more direct menace/competition than USA or URSS for various reason and the third world can become more radicalizated
 

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Well between Suez, the resurgence of the former imperial powers, the Nato alliance showing some big problem and the enstablished superpowers (Urss and USA) see the born of some (theoretical) competition well the government circle over the world will be buzzing of rumors and speculations.
Take as example Yugoslavia and India (who with Egypt founded the non aligned movement...at least in OTL), they can see UK/France as a more direct menace/competition than USA or URSS for various reason and the third world can become more radicalizated

About Nonaligned Movement, IMO they are still stunned with events in Egypt and sudden death of Nasser.
And Yugoslavia too much needs western support against Soviets to be too much against UK/France. OTL they shitted their pants after Soviet invasion of Hungary, so now i don't think that they will do much more than protest against "imperialism and whatever they can think of", but will not be real danger.

India on the other hand is more powerful, but what really happened? One tinpot dictator has get his ass spanked. No big concern for India really. Alltrough soon India could be more worried. ;-)

NATO is still alive and kicking, but it will have some pretty big problems in the future as UK and France will not allow Americans to turn it in one-man-show.

Many in the world are happy about this ( as Soviets ) because they think that any problem for Americans is good for them. And really, Middle East isn't so important for Soviets at this point, but they have seen the opportunity to make alliance with Syria ( as OTL ) and send them weapons so that they can distract Turkey with enemy from behind their back.

Such development is good for CENTO/Baghdad Pact, because countries as Turkey and Iran are not happy with Soviet meddling. Pakistan has it's own agenda ( turning the alliance against India, but that will not happen ).

Without Nasser alive and victorious many things will be different. For one thing, I highly doubt that United Arab Republic will be formed. At least for some time. Egypt has now more pressing things to do, and Syria is too weak to do it alone. Lack of their meddling around could mean a lot for stability in the Middle East. Future Arabic unification attempts are possible but not very likely IMO.
 
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Imperial preferences

In the meantime, negotiations with New Zealand and with other dominions were under way. The main subject was question of imperial preferences ( reduced customs duties on goods from UK/dominions/colonies ) and quotas.

Britain was primary market for New Zealand meat and dairy products together with wool. So they wanted to continue with that deal and if possible secure that UK buys all their agricultural products so that NZ farmers can continue increasing production.
Britain, on the other hand, wanted to have a clear agreement with NZ before they enter negotiations with European countries and wanted that NZ abolishes custome duties on industrial products from UK, because NZ Government tried to support their still weak industry with customs.
That was the reason why UK proposed big change to NZ. UK offered to them free trade. Without any customs duties and quotas on all products from New Zealand but also without any customs duties and quotas for any product, industrial or agricultural, from United Kingdom. But they also warned New Zealanders that UK will probably soon enter EEC so that their producers will have strong competition on British market.

Such proposal was mixed blessing for NZ. On one hand, it was great thing for their farmers as they could now freely continue with export in their most reliable market and continue with increasing of production.
On the other hand, it was pretty clear that such descision was meaning a end of attempt of industrialisation of NZ. Cheaper industrial products from UK will destroy domestic producers of just about evreything except maybe some most rudimentary industries like food industry etc.

So, Government of New Zealand was not sure what to do. If they accept British proposal, that would be bad for them. If they decline they are goeing into unknown territory, nobody was sure what Britain could do after that. And if Britain withdraw from their previous trade agreements with dominions that could help them great deal in their negotiations with European countries. And Britain seemed keen to become the member of EEC.

And the trouble was that their other trade partners like Japan or USA did not want to allow unlimited entry of their agricultural products into their countries, while they will ask for unlimited entry of their industrial products into NZ.

But British entry into EEC could mean another big and rich market for NZ. So NZ Government decided that they will accept British proposal if British manage to secure them favourable trade deal with EEC countries.
British Government said that they will do their best to ensure them the best deal possible.
 

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Small Cabinet reshuffle

Prime Minister Anthony Eden proposed to Her Majesty removing Walter Moncton from position of Minister of Defence and that Anthony Head, until then Secretary of State for War becomes new Minister of Defence. Walter Moncton became Paymaster General and lost his seat in Cabinet.
Also Rab Butler will become new Home Secretary while retaining his previous posts as Lord Privy Seal and Leader of House of Commons.
 

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Decolonisation

Anthony Eden said to his Cabinet that dissolution of British Empire is, unfortunatly, just a matter of time. Simply, previous solutions were not appliccable anymore. Both superpowers USA and Soviet Union were staunchly anti-colonialist so keeping large colonial Empire was no more a option. Also, Britain had to face with many expences in future years so pulling out from colonies was only sensible option. After all, colonies were actually net-drain, so if somehow acess to their natural riches could be ensured, pulling back from colonies would in fact be good thing for Britain. Most of his Cabinet-members agreed with him. After all, India, Burma, Pakistan and Sudan were allready independent. This year independence was to be given to Ceylon, Ghana and Malaya.
So, it was irreversible proces but Britain could try to get as much as possible benefit for self in the process.

That was the reason why Eden asked his Colonial Secretary Alan Lennox-Boyd to make the plan for decolonisation that would lead to giving of independence to all British large colonies ( all African and Asian ) countries in the next 10 years and revision of Agreements with British protectorates so that British interests in the area stay protected. The plan should be presented to the Cabinet in sommer of 1957.
 

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1957 Defence Review

New Minister of Defence Anthony Head, after speaking with individual Service Ministers and their Chiefs of Staffs decided that Defence Review is necesarry. Review should determin the look of HM Armed Forces for next 5-10 years and decide what are the most important military projects that should be pursued.
After speaking with Prime Minister he get permission to go ahead with Defence Review, but PM told him that experiences from recent wars ( Korean War, Malaya Emergency, Kenya Emergency and Suez Operation ) should be taken into consideration and that there should not be rush with Review, because cooperation with France will have profound effects on the review.
Head accepted and said that he will put things into motion.
 
Obviously the "No more manned fighters" crap never happens so projects like the Hawker P.1121 are developed, that should leave the Britishaviation industry much stronger during the 1960's.:)
 

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Obviously the "No more manned fighters" crap never happens so projects like the Hawker P.1121 are developed, that should leave the Britishaviation industry much stronger during the 1960's.:)

Actually, cooperation with France will be the keyword in future.
So, no, no Hawker P.1121 in this TL, sorry
;)
 
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