Challenge: Limited Nuclear Exchange(s)

June 6th, 1981: The Israeli high command, deciding that it is too risky an undertaking and that any potential gain would be outweighed by the diplomatic fallout, decide to cancel the planned attack on Iraq's Osiraq nuclear facility. Without this massive setback, Iraq's nuclear program goes ahead at a steady clip.
June 7th, 1981: Word of the cancellation of the Osiraq raid reaches the Iranian high command. When they realize that Iraq will eventually have nuclear weapons, which it may use on Iranian cities, it decides to negotiate a peace settlement, while at the same time construct nuclear weapons of its own.
July 1st, 1981: Iran and Iraq sign the Treaty of Ramallah, ending hostilies between the two nations, but bringing no end to their mutual indemnity.
January 2nd, 1982: Iraq's nuclear program is proceeding as scheduled. With the purchase of an additional quantity of nuclear materials, Iraq is ready to build nuclear weapons.
March 9th, 1982: Iraq detonates its first nuclear weapon in some desert waste.
 
Publication of data on Liquid Thermal Diffusion instead of coverup. How? Who? Don't know. Some Japanese or German sells the story to buy penicillin for his daughter. Stalin dies and the North Korean take over that hypothetical plant the Japanese were supposed to have built. The US or UK scientist leaves a notebook on a bus stop or something and somebody starts selling copies to other governments.
So everybody starts building LTD plants using spare hydroelectric power for 'peacefull' purposes. Argentina gets their's first, but India is the first to use them, on China, in 1961, at the Ladakh battle. The first use is tactical. The next few uses are also tactical. Brazil vs. Paraguay, Australia vs. Indonesia, North Korea vs. Japan, Vietnam vs. Indonesia, etc.
After 1961 nobody builds a house near a densely populated area. At about 2,000 per square mile the population levels off. We have densely populated pockets of land around a shopping mall. They buy up a 'greenfield' area around the mall and development. A bus station and a local airfield and a highway connection and a rail spur are the transportation facilities. We actually build less roadspace than in our present suburban sprawl.
The model of a development is 2 miles square with about 8,000 people on it, surrounded by 2 miles of land for 16 square miles total. Mostly two story apartment buildings surrounding an office, industrial, and retail mall with the government school, etc. complex.
The rest of the population is in 20 acre lots out in the sticks.
 
DMA,

I agree with your ideas about the USa getting hit with more nucs than the original poster suggested. However, I don't exactly agree with your number of Soviet subs deployed. Having 24 boats doesn't necessarily mean you have 24 boats at sea.

Taking the fleet as a whole, te USN manages about a one third 'down time' with it's SSBNs. Minimal turn around time occurs for operational boats thanks to the Blue and Gold crew taking turns aboard. However, a few boats are in the yards for various reasons, others are working up on firing ranges, and still others (in the early years) are deployed with a minimal missile load or dummy missiles. All of this means that out of 3 boats, the USN usually could count on having 2 boats armed and at sea at any given time.

Given the USSR's usual dismal sortie rate; Soviet navy vessels spent a lot of time at riding anchor even while supposedly deployed, those 24 missile boats will not all be at sea when the balloon goes up. Indeed, if half of them were on station when the war started, the Soviet command would have considered it a minor miracle. Also, with a war starting with as little warning as the original poster suggests, the USSR would not have the time to sortie more boats.

Yes, more Soviet warheads hit the US. Yes, the USN over-rated its ASW capabilities (in 1962 shadowing USSR missile subs with SSNs was still an occasional feat and not the everyday chore it would become later on). Yes, IRBMs and tac-nukes would be used in and around Cuba as local Soviet commanders adopted a 'use it or lose it attitude'. However, no 24 USSR missile boats at sea.

Check out 'Operation Drop Shot', the US' nuke war plan of the period. While a dozen or so warheads impacting American targets would have been horrific, the megatons the USSR would recieved beggars disbelief.


Bill
 
In the future history book "South Africa: A popular history, 1994-2004", White Afrikaner separatists establish a homeland in the arid Northern Cape of South Africa. The black dominated government attempts to forcefully reincorporate the area, called Orania by its inhabitants, back into South Africa. As fighting escalates the Afrikaner rebels threaten to nuke a major SA city. In the book however, international mediation sorts out the problem before the nuje is set off. What if that did happen, and a SA city is nuked by Afrikaner separatists. If the SA government still has any nukes (and didn't destroy them all before 1994 as is claimed, the rebel territiry would be destroyed utterly. Even without nukes, conventional weapons would do a pretty good job of retailiating against the rebels.
 
ruisramos said:
At this time Iran declares war on Israel, and nukes Tel Aviv with their air force, as retaliation for the nuclear bombing of Damascus and Cairo. The Israeli reaction of swift and deadly, they launch twenty nukes (targeting major cities and military installations) on Iran, both using missiles and plane carried bombs, practically wiping out Iran from the face of the world.

1. Iran probably wouldn't go to war with Israel over nuking of Arab capitals. They will likely hang back, observe and try to pick up pieces later.

2. Iranains don't have AF that could reach Israel. Maybe F-14 "bombcats" on one way mission but they would be fairly easy to spot. Missiles though....

Romulus Augustulus said:
June 6th, 1981: The Israeli high command, deciding that it is too risky an undertaking and that any potential gain would be outweighed by the diplomatic fallout, decide to cancel the planned attack on Iraq's Osiraq nuclear facility. Without this massive setback, Iraq's nuclear program goes ahead at a steady clip.
June 7th, 1981: Word of the cancellation of the Osiraq raid reaches the Iranian high command. When they realize that Iraq will eventually have nuclear weapons, which it may use on Iranian cities, it decides to negotiate a peace settlement, while at the same time construct nuclear weapons of its own.
July 1st, 1981: Iran and Iraq sign the Treaty of Ramallah, ending hostilies between the two nations, but bringing no end to their mutual indemnity.
January 2nd, 1982: Iraq's nuclear program is proceeding as scheduled. With the purchase of an additional quantity of nuclear materials, Iraq is ready to build nuclear weapons.
March 9th, 1982: Iraq detonates its first nuclear weapon in some desert waste.

Unlikely. Iranains bombed Osirak 8 days after war started (and did more damage than Israel did). After Iranains bombed it Saddam said that nukes are ment for zionist enemy, not fellow muslims but they knew Saddam can't be trusted with nukes. There are rumours about third strike in late war (by Iranians). If Israelis don't destroy Osirak Iranians will. No matter what the cost or consequences.
 
An interesting point is raised. The Iranian air force, courtesy of Islamic theocrats, was an unusually inept force in this war. Also, the Israelis hit Osirak when they did because it would soon be active. What if Iran can't do it in time, the reactor is blown AFTER it is hot, hundreds of French and Russian advisors and most of Baghdad is now dying from the Iranian strike?
 
Grimm Reaper said:
An interesting point is raised. The Iranian air force, courtesy of Islamic theocrats, was an unusually inept force in this war. Also, the Israelis hit Osirak when they did because it would soon be active. What if Iran can't do it in time, the reactor is blown AFTER it is hot, hundreds of French and Russian advisors and most of Baghdad is now dying from the Iranian strike?

Since there was lot of information sharing between ISraelis and Iranians Israelis would inform them streike is out. So Iranians would hit it before it goes "hot".

That is assuming Israelis would call it off. Which I find hard to believe.
 
Bill Cameron said:
DMA,

I agree with your ideas about the USa getting hit with more nucs than the original poster suggested. However, I don't exactly agree with your number of Soviet subs deployed. Having 24 boats doesn't necessarily mean you have 24 boats at sea.

Taking the fleet as a whole, te USN manages about a one third 'down time' with it's SSBNs. Minimal turn around time occurs for operational boats thanks to the Blue and Gold crew taking turns aboard. However, a few boats are in the yards for various reasons, others are working up on firing ranges, and still others (in the early years) are deployed with a minimal missile load or dummy missiles. All of this means that out of 3 boats, the USN usually could count on having 2 boats armed and at sea at any given time.

Given the USSR's usual dismal sortie rate; Soviet navy vessels spent a lot of time at riding anchor even while supposedly deployed, those 24 missile boats will not all be at sea when the balloon goes up. Indeed, if half of them were on station when the war started, the Soviet command would have considered it a minor miracle. Also, with a war starting with as little warning as the original poster suggests, the USSR would not have the time to sortie more boats.

Yes, more Soviet warheads hit the US. Yes, the USN over-rated its ASW capabilities (in 1962 shadowing USSR missile subs with SSNs was still an occasional feat and not the everyday chore it would become later on). Yes, IRBMs and tac-nukes would be used in and around Cuba as local Soviet commanders adopted a 'use it or lose it attitude'. However, no 24 USSR missile boats at sea.

Check out 'Operation Drop Shot', the US' nuke war plan of the period. While a dozen or so warheads impacting American targets would have been horrific, the megatons the USSR would recieved beggars disbelief.

Hi Bill,

yes none of this would surprise me, hence the high Soviet misfire rate of 50% that I began with. Now the low Soviet naval turnout rate should be considered alongside what the Soviet naval was really all about. Unlike the USN, or the RN for that matter, the Soviet navy really didn't have an overseas job to fullfil. So it comes as no surprise that it spent a lot of time in port.

Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if at least 1/3 of Soviet vessels of all descriptions were undergoing some form of maintenance, so yes the figure wouldn't be the pure 24, but rather 16. So that leaves us with 48 missiles capable of being fired. Now the FAS website (mentioned in an earlier posting) gave a figure of 11 out of 13 successful missile launches from the Soviet submarines. That's a success ratio of 85% (rounding off). So 85% of 48 is about 41 missiles. Add in a couple of subs sunk (that means 6 missiles lost) & we arrive around my original estimate of 36 sussessful hits in the USA mainland.

Of course I only hinted at what happens elsewhere to American territory. I'd say the military bases, especially anything radar wise, in Alaska gets nuked by either IRBM or bombers as is the case for Japan & the two main US bases in the Philippines. Also I'd expect Pearl Harbor to be nuked as well although this attempt, probably by Soviet bombers, maybe defeated by USAF & USN fighters.

The response from the USA, which I haven't mentioned, will be horrific. If the USSR could succeed in getting 60 hits on the USA, it'll be much worse for the USSR. I'd imagine JFK will have no other choice (if he is still alive that is, but whoever is President they'll attack anyway) other than to retaliate with basically everything. According to the Natural Resources Defense Council the USA had 203 ICBMs & 144 SLBMs in 1962. I'd imagine at least 75% of the ICBMs & again 50% of the SLBMs to hit their targets in the USSR. That's 152 ICBMs & 72 SLBMs. Then the bombers go in. There were 1 595 of these. Not all would be operational, of course, & not all would get through, but I'd estimate at least 500 would.

Overall, the USA survives albeit with tens of millions dead & injured. A number of large cities destroyed, but importantly I'd say food production is hardly touched & much of the industrial & military infrastructure is still functioning. The USSR, on the other hand, has probably four times the casualities, most of its cities destroyed along with its industrial & military structures. Food production is also hit, but considering the fact that almost 50% of the population is either dead or dying, it isn't that significant compared to other damage. Importantly, though, there is no longer a governmental structure or services in the USSR, unlike the USA.

Somehow, however, I don't think this scenario is what we could call a "limited nuclear exchange"...
 
DMA said:
Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if at least 1/3 of Soviet vessels of all descriptions were undergoing some form of maintenance, so yes the figure wouldn't be the pure 24, but rather 16.


DMA,

That 'Third Undergoing Maintenance' figure (a guesstimate I agree with), still doesn't mean 'Two-thirds Deployed On-Station'. Go with 12 of 24 being in firing range; remember those 1962 era SLRMs can't reach the US from pierside, and that number may still bel high. That will still be enough however. :(

Somehow, however, I don't think this scenario is what we could call a "limited nuclear exchange"...

Damn straight. Even if JFK gets smeared, thanks to the National Command Authority structures, even the Deputy Vice Under Secretary of the Department of Redundancy Department will be able to "empty the quiver" at the USSR.

Given the launch controls both the US and USSR have, arranging a limited exchange; i.e. < 6 warheads, between those two powers is problematic. Once one nuc launch occurs, most of the rest will follow. Thus, we are almost forced to look at those situations involving other members of the Club.

India - Pakistan is my best bet, with few warheads held by both sides and (perhaps) not the same care taken with launch controls.

Also, thanks to their required and relatively short-lived tritium components, the 'lost' USSR suitcase nucs are currently a non-starter. They can still provide materials for a dirty bomb, but no one is going to get a chain reaction out of one without a lot of highly technical work.


Bill
 
Hey Bill,

I'd still go with a higher figure for the Soviet SLBM boats. We are dealing with a AH here, so whatever the USA does in this situation obviously the USSR will change their plans. But overall we're talking about 50 hits instead of 60.

As for a India-Pakistan clash, well again I don't think it will be a minor affair. Here's a AH I did 2 or so years ago about such an exchange. It's smaller than the nuclear exchange scenario above, but it's nasty nonetheless...


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Hell’s Door Opened


A contemporary Alternate History of the 2001 India-Pakistan War






No one would have believed, at the beginning of the new millennium, the Twenty First Century, that events would unfold that would remind the world of the fears of the past 50 years. Everyone thought that after the fall of the Soviet Union, and with the ending of the Cold War, the world would no long live under the threat of nuclear weapons. For a time this appeared to be correct. A "New World Order", as President Bush (snr) had stated, appeared, for a while, to be living up to the promise of peace. Within a decade, however, everything would change.

Ever since the United States used the first nuclear weapons, the world had changed. War was no longer seen as the extension of politics by other means. Instead, as more and more nations got the Bomb, war itself, especially nuclear war, had become the enemy of all mankind. Many of the world’s leaders understood this principle, and regardless of how they presented themselves publicly, knew only too well the ramifications of a nuclear showdown. In a insane kind of way, this duplicitous duality of policy actually ensured that no Third World War ever took place.

Yet that seemed to work fine for the major powers. But when it became clear that minor powers were also seeking the Bomb, the major powers stepped in to thwart their efforts. This worked to a certain degree, but still Israel, South Africa and India had a primitive nuclear device by the 1980s. Other countries were also working on nuclear weapons, such as Brazil and Argentina, but under pressure from the major powers, these countries quietly gave up their nuclear goals.

Come the ending of the Cold War, however, and the global political spectrum had changed completely. The USSR fell apart and with it went security. Now that capitalism emerged in the former USSR, everything was for sale at a price. And this included nuclear secrets. Of course the Russians have long denied any part in the expansion of countries with nuclear weapons, but it is now believed that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program gained a significant boost somewhere in the mid 1990s. At first it was believed this information had come from the Chinese, but subsequent inquiries have clearly demonstrated that the Pakistani Bomb was of Soviet Cold War era origin.

So by the year 2000, while the world celebrated the new millennium, Pakistan went about testing their nuclear weapons. Immediately thereafter India, which had remained very quiet on the Bomb subject ever since the 1970s, tested several nuclear devices as well. Clearly the Indians were reminding Pakistan that they had plenty of nuclear weapons to match those of Pakistan. Politics soon took over, with each of the two nations warning the other of nuclear war.

Things came to a head very quickly when Islamic rebels in Pakistani Kashmir, began attacks across the border, taking control of some Indian territory. Naturally the Indian Army responded and soon it was reporting that the rebels were indeed backed by the Pakistani Army. Vajpayee, the Prime Minister of India, demanded the Pakistanis to withdraw. Naturally they refused and argued that the rebels had nothing to do with Pakistan. Both sides stated the usual rhetoric about sovereignty of Kashmir which only flamed the issue even more.

By now the world had become involved in the matter, especially the United States, which had become alarmed due to the fact that war was about to erupt in South Asia. What was worse was the fact that both sides were nuclear armed and it appeared that they were ready to use these weapons. Frantic attempts at diplomacy virtually got nowhere and so an economic boycott was put into place. Although this got the attention of the leaders of India and the new President of Pakistan Musharraf, it was in fact eventual victory by the Indian Army over the insurgents which cooled things down.

It appeared that the threat of war had significantly diminished. Even after the dreadful events and aftermath of September 11 came and went, relations between Pakistan and India had become somewhat cordial. That was to all suddenly change by a single event. Within a week, this event would send these two nations over the abyss and the world would watch helplessly as a nuclear holocaust took place.

The morning of the 13 December 2001 was a brilliant morning in New Delhi. The noise of the city was at its usual suggesting that all was right in India, apart from the usual simmering of discontent. Nonetheless, the capital of India was also the capital of the largest democracy in the world. Although far from perfect, it had taken on the Westminster system of government and had done reasonably well with it, considering the difficulties that India faced. India’s neighbours, however, were far from democratic. Pakistan, which had occasionally flirted with democracy, was once more a military dictatorship. Burma was another military dictatorship. China was a People’s Republic, which meant to say it was a Communist dictatorship. Thus under the circumstances, India was akin to the Garden of Democratic Eden in comparison to the desert of dictatorships that surrounded it.

So on the afternoon of 13 December 2001, when terrorists attacked the Indian Parliament, the Indian government went into action. As bullets and explosions shook the building Prime Minister Vajpayee immediately put India’s Armed Forces on alert. This also included India’s nuclear arsenal. By the time the terrorists had been killed India was ready for war.

Naturally the Indian’s blamed the Pakistani’s for the attack on their Parliament. And they had much good reason to do so. The weapons that the terrorists used where discovered to be of Pakistani origin, not to mention that Indian Intelligence identified two of the terrorists as Pakistani citizens and known to be members of a terrorist organisation partly funded by the Pakistani Government. All this was far too much for the Indian public who demanded action, and with several state elections coming up, it would be electoral suicide for Vajpayee’s BJP ruling party to do nothing.

Thus it came as no surprise when Vajpayee ordered 600 000 troops to the Pakistan border in Kashmir. The Indian generals where then given a second order: an invasion of Pakistan itself. Although Musharraf was unaware of the second order, the first one was made very public. At first Musharraf hesitated to response to this Indian action, as the Pakistan Army was committed to the Afghanistan border in an effort to stop the September 11 terrorists escaping the wroth that the United States had decided upon. But soon Musharraf changed his mind and ordered 400 000 of Pakistan’s troops to face the Indians.

This response was exactly what the Indian generals had hoped for. By sending 400 000 troops to the one region, Pakistan had only 200 000 troops left to guard the rest of the country. India, on the other hand, had a further 700 000 troops to employ as the general’s saw fit. As such an Indian Tank Army was quietly and secretly formed in the Punjab State of India. 4 tank, 4 mechanised, and 4 infantry motor divisions, along with support and logistic units, numbering 250 000 of India’s finest troops, were soon ready. Within a week of the bombing of the Indian Parliament, this army would cross the border near the Pakistani city of Lahore, capture it the same day, then advance onto Islamabad the capital of Pakistan. In doing so it would encircle the 400 000 Pakistani troops in Kashmir and reduce Pakistan to its southern territory. As a result Pakistan would be halved in size.

Pakistan’s generals were not stupid. They could read the same maps as their Indian counterparts and immediately feared the worst. At best they could deploy 2 brigades to cover the Lahore Front, as they called it, and were well aware that they were extremely vulnerable there. Although the Thar Desert offered another invasion route into Pakistan from India, this was considered unlikely because there was little of value on the Pakistani side. All agreed that Lahore was a very tempting target, should the Indian’s invade, yet they had little to defend it with. It was at this point that Musharraf, an army general himself, made the most unenviable decision in history. Should the 2 brigades be overrun, then Pakistan would use the Bomb.

It was pre-dawn on the morning of 20 December 2001 when the Indian Tank Army moved towards the border. The Indians had done extremely well. Within a week they had assembled the most powerful field army in all of Asia. Combined with the Indian Air Force, there would be little to stop them save for a nuclear weapon. This consideration had been taken into account and thus the "Charge to Lahore", as it was known, was seen as the tactic to use against any possible nuclear attack. Time, however, was the essence here. The Indian Tank Army had to race to Lahore before Pakistan could react. It was believed that once at Lahore, the Pakistanis would not use a nuclear weapon on them. The trouble was they had to get there first.

The 2 Pakistani brigades never had a chance. Not only did the Indian Air Force dominate the skies, they were outnumbered 250 000 to a mere 7 000. The Indians simply drove over them. Many prisoners were taken, which were treated with much respect. It is interesting to note that, although the soldiers of both countries were trained to kill the other, they showed much chivalry and honour in battle. Furthermore, the Indian officers mostly referred to the Pakistanis as "those people" rather than "the enemy".

Unbeknownst to the Indian Tank Army, though, was the readiness of the Pakistani nuclear forces. Musharraf had already put them on full alert and ensured that both the missiles and the bombs had been dispersed around the country. This, the Indians had missed during their preparations for the attack. If the reverse had been true then maybe the Indian attack would have been delayed. Yet as it was, 250 000 Indian troops were on their way to Lahore. None of them would make it.

Musharraf gave the order that any sane person would dread and regret all their life. As a result of this order, 4 Ghauri missiles, each with a single 10 kiloton nuclear warhead, were launched from their mobile launchers. Three minutes later, four nuclear explosions, all on Pakistani territory, destroyed India’s finest army. Although there were survivors, none were battle capable. Ironically, 4 500 Pakistani prisoners, who had been moved from the battlefield to POW camps in India, witnessed the mushroom clouds from a safe distance, then volunteered to help any Indian survivors. There would be about 50 000 of these horrified and tormented human souls. It was just on 8am local time.

Word got through to New Delhi about fifteen minutes later. Vajpayee could not believe what he was hearing. Then it hit him. He broke down and cried for about five minutes according to some witnesses. Soon afterwards, however, he was back in business as the Prime Minister. Knowing that Pakistan could not get away with the nuclear attack, and yet dreading where all this may end, he demanded nonetheless a nuclear attack on Pakistan. His generals were not confident that this was the right move, yet Vajpayee and other government Ministers were committed to it. Eventually it came down to an attack in Kashmir on military targets. The generals reasoned that by keeping it limited to the military, the general public will suffer little and that the 17 million casualty figure quoted by the United States only a few days before would be remarkably less.

The orders went out. The planners decided to use strike aircraft instead of missiles. The aircraft would be more accurate plus they could be recalled at the last moment if the Pakistanis surrendered. Furthermore, nuclear armed missiles were in limited numbers and India had control of the skies. Thus, unlike the Pakistanis, the Indians had the luxury of using aircraft on several missions.

About an hour after the decision had been made, 8 Mirage 2 000 jet aircraft dropped their bombs on the Pakistani Army in Kashmir. Although 8 bombs were delivered on target, the Pakistani casualty rate was not as high as the Indian Tank Army. Having said that, the Pakistanis lost 50 percent of their forces. Those that survived did so thanks to the numerous trenches and bunkers which crossed the Kashmir countryside. Nonetheless it was far from pleasant being on the Pakistani side of the border. Of those that survived, one can hardly imagine the horror that these humans went through.

Up until know, all the nuclear detonations had taken place in Pakistan. This was soon to change rapidly. Within a few minutes of the Indian attack, Musharraf was informed. Like Vajpayee 90 minutes earlier, he was put into an impossible position. Should he respond with another nuclear attack? Most of his fellow generals were all for it and wanted to target the major cities of India. But Musharraf was against it. Although he was determined to show the Indians that Pakistan could not be intimidated, he decided to play it by India’s example and hit the Indian troops along the border in Kashmir. This the others agreed upon. Soon afterwards, 10 nuclear armed Ghauri missiles were heading for the 600 000 Indian troops. Musharraf said a prayer to Allah for the Indians to come to their senses and not fire back.

The Indian troops were ready, as much as one can be when facing a nuclear explosion, and hid in their trenches and bunkers. All had seen what had happened across the border to their counterparts and everyone knew what weapon had made those mushroom clouds. The troops realised that their turn for nuclear hell would be next. As a result, several thousand had taken off in an easterly direction to get away from the potential nuclear battlefield. All, however, prayed to their respective deity. Then the missiles hit. Even though the Pakistanis used more weapons than the Indians, their missiles were not as accurate as the Indian aircraft. The result meant that Indian casualties mirrored those just across the Kashmir border.

If these exchanges seem horrifying enough, it was only the beginning. It was about 10.30am and already 600 000 lives had been lost. More would follow as the horror would soon get worse, although at this point things appeared to quiet down. By this stage the world had caught up with the madness. Pleas for peace, humanity and above all sorrow came from all parts. World leaders began calling India and Pakistan demanding an audience. None were listened to. All calls were rejected. But it seemed that Musharraf’s prayer had been answered as by 1pm India had not counterattacked, even though no word had come through from the Indian government.

This, unfortunately, would change by 1.30pm. The reason for the lull was never understood by the Pakistan government, but for India it was time well spent. Since the last attack Vajpayee had ordered a list of military targets in Pakistan. He wanted the top 25 on the list targeted with India’s Prithvi nuclear armed missiles and end for good Pakistan’s ability to wage war. As a secondary phase to this attack, the whole Mirage 2000 strike force would be back in the air armed with free fall nuclear bombs. Their job was to hunt down and annihilate the mobile launchers that Pakistan had been using to attack India. Just like what America did to Iraq in chasing their Scud missile launchers, so too India would do to Pakistan: except India was going to use nuclear weapons.

An hour later, as the Indian Air Force began hunting for the Pakistani mobile launchers, nuclear death rained down on Pakistan. All of the 25 Pakistani military bases were obliterated in the attack. Unfortunately, many of these bases were often located next to large urban centres. Although it was not the intension of the Indians to go from the tactical to the strategic in terms of nuclear warfare, to Musharraf and the others in Islamabad, this certainly appeared to be the case. The war had spun out of control and now even generals, prime minsters and presidents had become mere pawns in it. With little alternative Musharraf ordered every nuclear missile fired at Indian cities within range, and every plane capable of carrying a free fall nuclear bomb into the air.

At first the Pakistani response could not get under way until 4pm, mostly due to the fact that suitable aircraft had to be found, fuelled, crewed and armed. But by 2.50pm reports started coming in stating that Indian aircraft were roaming over Pakistan dropping nuclear weapons. Although this was somewhat expected by now, this alarmed Musharraf into thinking that the Indians were after the remaining Ghauri missiles. He was right, of course, and immediately ordered their launch. The remaining 38 missiles thus headed for India’s largest cities. It would be Pakistan’s final attack.

By 3.10pm Vajpayee did not need to read any more of the reports flooding into his bomb-proof bunker in New Delhi. The fact that he just survived an horrendous earthquake told him that the capital of India had just been destroyed by a nuclear explosion. How much longer he had to live he did not know, but Pakistan would pay a heavy price for what they had done. He thus issued his final order of the war, hit the Pakistani cities. A few minutes later 30 Prithvi nuclear missiles were launched into the sky. Some five minutes later 29 Pakistani cities suffered the fate of New Delhi. Two missiles were deliberately aimed at Islamabad. The commander of India’s Missile Force came from New Delhi. Furthermore his wife and four children lived there until a few minutes ago. Added to this horrific attack were the remaining Indian Mirage 2000s which still had their nuclear payload aboard. Ordered now to seek out and destroy all the remaining Pakistani Air Force bases, this had been achieved by 3.50pm. Pakistan never got in its nuclear air strike on India.

The war might have been over, but the cost to humanity would continue. The US Defence Intelligence Agency warned both the Pakistani and Indian governments that 17 million of their citizens would become casualties in a nuclear exchange. Out of that figure 12 million would die. No one, however, truly knows the true figure. In the weeks that followed, with so many variables taking place, only estimates of casualties can be given. But clearly, what is known is that the figure given by the DIA was completely wrong. On the day in question, the 20 December 2001, at least 47 million people became casualties as an immediate result of the nuclear explosions. Over the next week, as fallout covered Pakistan and Northern India, this casualty rate would triple.

But it would not end there. As hundreds of millions of people became refugees, all order broke down. Government, what was left of it, collapsed. There was no rescue or medical service to speak of, safe food quickly ran out as did safe dinking water and the like. Not only did 150 million people die from radiation sickness due to fallout and contamination, a further 100 million died of starvation and exposure to the elements. Then the survivors were hit again. Illnesses ran at plague levels ensuring unprecedented levels. Every disease became deadly, especially with all the dead rotting away. And it was not just human bodies littering the ground. Many animals, especially cows, died along with desperate survivors.

By the time the United Nations finally established a workable refugee system, a whole month had past since the nuclear holocaust. Still, people continued to die in the thousands from radiation. Furthermore, radiation sickness spread throughout the region. Afghanistan and Nepal got off lightly. Iran suffered a few hundred cases, but most of the population were declared safe. For Bangladesh, however, it was an entirely different story. Greatly depended upon the Ganges River, it took but a little time before the Ganges became a hotbed of radiation. Its citizens, not knowing any better, carried on with life as normal regardless of the events in India and Pakistan. Soon, unfortunately, whole villages, towns and cities in Bangladesh were being killed. The United Nations acted fast, but not before 20 million of Bangladesh’s citizens became critically ill. Alas, most would die a dreadful death.

As this article is being written only a year after these sorrowful events, more after-effects will most likely take place in the future. We still do not know, for example, what the final effects will be for the world’s environment. Yet it is most certain that a great part of our planet will remain uninhabitable for decades if not centuries to come. Furthermore, Pakistan has ceased to exist, although a large number of her citizens continue to live in refugee camps around the world. India, however, is partly surviving in the South and Eastern parts of that country. But like Bangladesh, it requires an enormous amount of aid to survive and will continue to be in this position for decades to come. For the world as a whole, little good has come from this nightmare, other than the fact that it has been reminded that there is no future for anyone in nuclear weapons or modern warfare for that matter. Indeed, as they say, truth is the first casualty in war, then surely the human race and all other living things are a close second.
 
DMA said:
But overall we're talking about 50 hits instead of 60.


DMA,

Which, as you wisely pointed out, doesn't really mean that much in the grand scheme of things. Fifty or sixty, it will still be horrific. And Dropshot's effects on USSR and Eurasia will be beyond belief.

As for a India-Pakistan clash, well again I don't think it will be a minor affair. Here's a AH I did 2 or so years ago about such an exchange. It's smaller than the nuclear exchange scenario above, but it's nasty nonetheless...(snip of great stuff)

Good Sweet Oppenheimer...

One question; Do either side have the number of warheads your timeline requires? I haven't researched the topic sense the last tiff there, but I'd thought the number of actual South Asian nucs could be counted on a few hands (not that that low number isn't already too many).

I guess a limited nuclear exchange means one...


Bill
 
Bill Cameron said:
DMA,

Which, as you wisely pointed out, doesn't really mean that much in the grand scheme of things. Fifty or sixty, it will still be horrific. And Dropshot's effects on USSR and Eurasia will be beyond belief.



Good Sweet Oppenheimer...

One question; Do either side have the number of warheads your timeline requires? I haven't researched the topic sense the last tiff there, but I'd thought the number of actual South Asian nucs could be counted on a few hands (not that that low number isn't already too many).

I guess a limited nuclear exchange means one...


Bill

Bill, according to the Federation of american scientists ( www.fas.org ) Pakistan has between 24-48 and India 30-35, tho' may be able to buildup to 90, depending on your source.

A limited nuclear exchange doesn't mean one, it means too many :(
 
Bill Cameron said:
I guess a limited nuclear exchange means one...


Bill

Limited means not full arsenal of US and SU. So if WW3 would kick off in Europe and nukes would be used but tactically and in low yield ones that would be limited (since neither side would use their entire arsenal). Viewed from this perspective any exchange between India and Pakistan would be limited. But for Indians and Pakistanis it would be total.

It's same with defining high/medium/low intensity conflict.
 
I think a "limited" nuclear exchange would mean that the targets are limited to some degree (largely military targets) or that few weapons are actually used.

If in the "Hell's Door Opened" scenario, the nuclear exchange stopped at the tactical level, then that would be a "limited" conflict. The conflict in the novel "Vortex," where the South Africans nuked the Cubans and the Cubans used nerve gas against South Africa would be a limited conflict.
 
Matt Quinn said:
I think a "limited" nuclear exchange would mean that the targets are limited to some degree (largely military targets) or that few weapons are actually used.

If in the "Hell's Door Opened" scenario, the nuclear exchange stopped at the tactical level, then that would be a "limited" conflict. The conflict in the novel "Vortex," where the South Africans nuked the Cubans and the Cubans used nerve gas against South Africa would be a limited conflict.


Now all this is true. I've read Vortex (I still own a copy) but there are major differences between the two scenarios. The South Africans only had 6 Bombs in the first place, & after the South Africans use their first Bomb, the Americans raid the nuke armoury & grab the rest. So the exchange ends due to lack of weapons. The situation is totally different in Hell's Door Opened. Both sides, after the initial tactical exchanges, still have plenty of Bombs left to use. As the exchanges get bigger & bigger, due to the tit-for-tat strategy, it thus develops into a full exchange (which I'd dare say is the most likely outcome).
 
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Bill Cameron said:
DMA,

Which, as you wisely pointed out, doesn't really mean that much in the grand scheme of things. Fifty or sixty, it will still be horrific. And Dropshot's effects on USSR and Eurasia will be beyond belief.


Yes I've read Dropshot some time ago. Of course all these plans were done long before we knew anything about nuclear winter. So America may retaliate with Dropshot which will destroy USSR etc, but then nuclear winter will ensure that the rest of us die out a few year later... :(


Bill Cameron said:
Good Sweet Oppenheimer...

One question; Do either side have the number of warheads your timeline requires? I haven't researched the topic sense the last tiff there, but I'd thought the number of actual South Asian nucs could be counted on a few hands (not that that low number isn't already too many).

I guess a limited nuclear exchange means one...


Well Wombat has more or less summed up the numbers for you. As you'd know it's impossible to know the exact figure. I've seen estimates doubling those at FAS, but I tend to go along with those at FAS. So consider, in Hell's Door Opened, that Pakistan has about 50 nukes & India has about 100.
 
DMA said:
Yes I've read Dropshot some time ago. Of course all these plans were done long before we knew anything about nuclear winter. So America may retaliate with Dropshot which will destroy USSR etc, but then nuclear winter will ensure that the rest of us die out a few year later... :(

That assumes that nuke winter is more than just a "scientific urban legend." Besides, the original nuke winter theory required 30,000 nuclear weapons (half of the combined US-Soviet arsenal). "Dropshot" would have a combined total of 3,000 megatons, which is FAR less than the megatonnage a US-Soviet war in the 1980s would unleash.

Now, there might be climactic effects in the area of the blast zones, but I don't think they're spread.
 
When the latest round of nuclear arms reduction between Bush and Putin goes through, the US/Russian nuclear arsenals will be down from 20K to 13K, give or take a few.

Oh, I dug up my old copy of Vortex, and the South Africans had 6 COMPLETED nuclear weapons, and, I believe, the parts for 10 more. Chillingly close to what they yielded in OTL when apartheid ended.

I remember the nuclear winter concept posited by Sagan and that old fraud, Ehrlich. Some serious problems with the work. Starting with trying to maximize fallout on your own head while deliberately NOT maximizing the number of enemy bombers and missles destroyed.
 
Matt Quinn said:
That assumes that nuke winter is more than just a "scientific urban legend." Besides, the original nuke winter theory required 30,000 nuclear weapons (half of the combined US-Soviet arsenal). "Dropshot" would have a combined total of 3,000 megatons, which is FAR less than the megatonnage a US-Soviet war in the 1980s would unleash.

Now, there might be climactic effects in the area of the blast zones, but I don't think they're spread.


It depends how big your 30 000 weapons are. 3 000 megatons is pretty huge when you think about it. Yet when you divide 3 000 megatons by 30 000 weapons well we are well within the calculations for nuclear winter according to you, as each Bomb would average a mere 0.1 megatons. Of course, in 1962, they had Bombs with a much larger yeild, but not as many.

Nevertheless, you forget how nuclear winter comes about, as it's not just by the many detonations, but by the millions of secondary fires. These will go unfought & will burn for weeks if not months. Then there's the horrendous effects to the ozone layer. So even though you may not get the smoke coverage directly from the actual detonations, there's enough of everything else taking place to ensure the worst will happen. Then there's the fallout. I'm not interested in the ignorant arguments that it'll only have local effects. We've already seen the far reaching effects from what happened at Chernobyl. And that was just a reactor accident! Increase that fallout one thousand times more, add on 3 000 plus explosions (many in the megatonage range), & we might get close to the real picture.

Overall, though, I have no faith whatsoever in those who say everything will be ok in the aftermath of a large scale nuclear exchange, whether it was in 1962 or 1982. The best policy, by far, is NOT to have a nuclear exchange in the first place ;)
 
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