Alternative Communist world luxury goods

Presenting McLenin's Complete Menu as of 1991.

Leninade, Brezhnev Burgers, Khruschev's Krunchy Khicken, Stalin Soda, Trotsky Tamale Sauce (a revolution in every bite!), Gorbachev Gummy Bears, Chernenko Cheeseburger (available for limited time only), Andropov's Secret Sauce (the special ingredient is tank).
 
In many Asian cities there are restaurants owned by North Korean-backed joint ventures. A local businessman makes local arrangements, while North Korea provides the glamorous (and loyal) waitresses, and some of the ingredients. The prices are exorbitant even for high-end restaurants, but it's well worth the value. In exchange, North Korea gets much-needed foreign currency.

We can imagine sumptuous Russian restaurants in European cities staffed by gorgeous Russian girls (watched by a KGB minder), charging decadent prices. Plus, when western politicians dine, their tables would be bugged...
 
The sticking point here is "smuggled". Unless one assumes a complete 'Western' embargo of the entire "Communist world", rather than just a USA embargo of Cuba, why not legal trade instead?

Maybe that's not the right word. What I mean is the demand would outstrip supply such that there would be a black market for the goods. With Communist economies always suffering from shortages, some goods would be restricted for export. There was quite a black market smuggling minx fur and caviar for example.
 
^ But the communist governments were perennially short of hard currency. Any luxury goods of high quality will either be openly exported to the west, or they will be sold to nomenklatura at special stores which only accept hard currency.
 
What about shoe making? Bata shoes was a Czechoslovakian company that was a global brand well before the Cold War. They even had company towns in the UK. For decades German athletic footwear brands Adidas and Puma ruled the world. The East Bloc had a strong reputation for international sports, couldn't this be leveraged into a shoe company?

On the other end of it is the high end custom dress shoe market dominated by Britain and Italy. I could imagine tourists going to old foreign concessions in Shanghai to find English trained shoemakers for a pair of bespoke oxfords.

What about chocolate? The Swiss have to import the ingredient from Africa where as Vladivostok and China aren't so far from South East Asian chocolate producers. This assumes chocolatiers are granted a degree of freedom to experiment instead of churning out government approved flavors. :)
 
Plausible, if the communist leaders viewed them as valuable sources of hard currency. Meissen porcelain was one of East Germany's few profitable state-owned enterprises. Even during the darkest days of Maoist China, antiques were being sold in Hong Kong for exorbitant prices, and exports of silk continued. In fact, the PRC actually reduced silk production after its opening in order to raise prices.

I'm not sure about chocolate, though. They'd have to create an industry from scratch, as opposed to merely allowing a pre-existing industry to continue under communist rule.
 
I really like this thread there are some great ideas in it but aren't most of your ideas set upon creating goods for export to the capitalist world? Could we see any luxury goods designed/made for captive markets in the Warsaw Pact/2nd world? How likely are you potential luxury goods industries to exist given that for most of the Cold War period the Communist and Capitalist countries hated each other?

I thought that it was inherent in Soviet Communism to believe that they were better than the West which actually hindered trade. I read something somewhere about the Soviet ruble being forced to keep at parity with the British pound for most of the Cold War despite hindering any potential exports.
 
What about videogames?

If the communist leaders had enough foresight, upon the success of Tetris, they might have wanted to forster a state-owned videogame industry.

Now, videogames are a product that relies heavily on fads, trends that are short-lived. Capitalism with multiple small companies in competition have proven the best environment to produce imaginative and compelling videogames. This is the accepted paradigm.

On the other hand, nowadays videogames are in the hands of big companies that try to predict those trends, or if that fails, enforce them by flooding the market with the product they want to make trendy. Also, console videogames after the 1983 crash were left mostly on the hands of japanese companies, that meddled heavily with the independent developers. This model also favoured a top-down approach.

A Soviet videogame company might create a cheap but smartly engineered console with propietary hardware (take that, communism!), or stick to the micro-PC market, and then evolve to the PC. I think that early on, the console approach would have worked better, even if it had to compete directly with the Japanese giants Nintendo and Sega. All bets would be off, if they manage to chain a few blockbuster videogames that create a captive market. They could even play on the Japanese scare in the US to try and claim their console market.

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I like the follow on to Tetris idea. Also a luxury line designed just for captive socialist states is intriguing. That Soviet watch company could build a reputation as the Soviet Rolex if they improved the quality enough.

What about fashion? Who could forget 60's pop rock style icon - Cosmonaut brand sunglasses, popularized by the Beatles when they performed Back in the USSR :cool:
 
I got one idea: the Yugo and the Trabant as communist luxury goods. Those cars may be built with an ugly image, but at least it works. ;)
 
Their early chess computer programs were the best in the world at a time when buying a chess machine was pretty expensive. Perhaps a copy of their chess machine for export as a luxury good?
 

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Open source software, maybe. Tetris was, after all, designed by a guy as a hobby and spread around for free.

I could imagine a timeline where because Russian software is more basic and easy to adapt, Russians go to town producing any add-ons they need, while in the west companies use intellectual property laws to keep control of what happens with their software.

By the modern day, there may be quite a demand for software developed east of the iron curtain.

Cultural products also come to mind. There's lots of excellent cold war era films, music, etc. Maybe that would continue, supported by a much expanded version of the RussiaToday media network.
 
In addition to my post early about how you'd get Communist countries exporting as it just wasn't in their mindset: the ruble wasn't exchangeable at the time. Same with most Communist countries. How would that work?
 
In the Cold War there were many highly sought after Western luxury goods, everything from Swiss watch to stereos and blue jeans were in high demand in the Communist world. The only luxury goods from behind the Iron Curtain that comes to mind is Caspian caviar.

With a little historical tweaking, could there be alternative luxury goods from the Communist world that would be highly desirable and even smuggled into the West? I'm talking about things they could make, not for example Chinese antiques. Please don't attempt to cheat by turning France Communist, just stick to our timeline political borders.

It would take a lot of historical tweaking. How will the Soviets identify consumer preferences? Let's say for example, they have great watches. Watches come in all sorts of different styles and appearances. Leather bands, metal bands, digital, analog, roman numerals, no numerals etc. What are customer preferences in 1960, 1970, and 1980? How do they acquire this information and how do they decide to act on it? Is it some bureaucrat in Moscow? A mid level communist worried about the KGB every time he travels to the West to meet with distributors? And why would they do this better than the Swiss?

Caviar is relatively simple because it is a limited natural resource with existing, known demand. Anything that involves making a product (watches, cars, video games, cameras) and marketing it immediately gets much, much harder.
 
Presenting McLenin's Complete Menu as of 1991.

Leninade, Brezhnev Burgers, Khruschev's Krunchy Khicken, Stalin Soda, Trotsky Tamale Sauce (a revolution in every bite!), Gorbachev Gummy Bears, Chernenko Cheeseburger (available for limited time only), Andropov's Secret Sauce (the special ingredient is tank).

I need a loan so I can open a Commie Burger joint with this menu. Only I'm calling it "Reds".

And we'll have Guevara's Guacamole
 
Chernenko Cheeseburger (available for limited time only),
I see what you did there.
In many Asian cities there are restaurants owned by North Korean-backed joint ventures. A local businessman makes local arrangements, while North Korea provides the glamorous (and loyal) waitresses, and some of the ingredients. The prices are exorbitant even for high-end restaurants, but it's well worth the value. In exchange, North Korea gets much-needed foreign currency.
I'm curious -- what goods and/or services can you get in these NK establishments that you can't in regular eateries?
I got one idea: the Yugo and the Trabant as communist luxury goods. Those cars may be built with an ugly image, but at least it works. ;)
What about Polish sports cars?

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What about chocolate? The Swiss have to import the ingredient from Africa where as Vladivostok and China aren't so far from South East Asian chocolate producers. This assumes chocolatiers are granted a degree of freedom to experiment instead of churning out government approved flavors. :)
I'm not sure about chocolate, though. They'd have to create an industry from scratch, as opposed to merely allowing a pre-existing industry to continue under communist rule.
As an Eastern European, I can tell you that we have/had some fine candy manufacturers (with quality of product going down, not up, with the fall of communism). But they might not be all that popular in the West and here is why:

www.nytimes.com/2013/10/30/business...en-europe-and-russia.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
"Tastes for chocolate vary by region and Roshen specializes in former Soviet consumers. Hershey’s, for example, had little success selling its Kisses in the former Soviet Union — they were too sweet and milky. Retooling for exports to Western Europe would be costly for even a company like Roshen.

“The money I made in Russia cannot be made up somewhere else,” Mr. Moskalevskyi said. Roshen had 5 percent of the market in Russia, competing well with the likes of Kraft, Mars and the dominant Russian domestic candy maker, the United Confection Company, a sort of Gazprom of sweets.

Roshen was doing so well in Russia partly because it introduced a Russian Classic line of chocolates, reviving 18 Soviet brands like the Seagull bar, a plain milk chocolate slab with a Socialist Realist style beach scene on the wrapper."
 
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Plausible, if the communist leaders viewed them as valuable sources of hard currency. Meissen porcelain was one of East Germany's few profitable state-owned enterprises. Even during the darkest days of Maoist China, antiques were being sold in Hong Kong for exorbitant prices, and exports of silk continued. In fact, the PRC actually reduced silk production after its opening in order to raise prices.

I'm not sure about chocolate, though. They'd have to create an industry from scratch, as opposed to merely allowing a pre-existing industry to continue under communist rule.
Actually I remember in 80-ties in High Tatras West German tourists basically buying off almost whole inventory of Czechoslovakian crystal. ;)
 
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