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I'm pretty sure overriding the veto of a previous president with an executive order is like 100% unconstitutional.
Asami
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There's some precedence in the history of the United States since the Clinton administration that allows for this to happen.
MoralisticCommunist
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These posts just keep on getting better! This is probably the best infobox series ever!
Another revision post, by request from a curious DeviantArt follower.
This is also still the silliest thing I've ever done.
This, on the other hand, is amazing. Do you have a map of political control of state legislatures?
Nope. While I have an excel spreadsheet detailing U.S. population by state, and I can use the source I got the data from to likely do population by county, I have no clue how I'd start trying to district the country.
EDIT: I can tell you that the vast majority of Faith party representatives come from Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, and Arizona. There's also a couple of state-level representatives in California and the plains states.
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Adding on this (mostly for @Sakura_F 's benefit)- executive orders are directives from the president (in his/her role as chief executive) instructing members of the executive branch on the execution of laws passed by Congress. While they have the power of law, they are not legislation and can be reversed at any time by subsequent presidents in addition to being possibly struck down by the judicial branch for unconstitutionality or if it's lacking in a statutory basis.
There is also the fact that a law that is vetoed and not overridden is dead. A new bill with the exact same contents can be submitted, but it is considered a new bill altogether and Congress would need to vote on and pass the new bill in order for the president to take action on it.
A President can certainly attempt to legislative through executive orders has Bush and Obama have done, but there are limits to that and we're already seeing pushback against it. I don't see any court allowing Hillary Clinton of all people to run roughshod over the Constitution without anyone saying anything about it.
Asami
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Says the guy who's twisted the United States constitutional interpretation sixty-ways to Sunday. =/
Aye, perhaps my method of showing this particular instance wasn't the best way to show it. The point was more to show that executive orders by 2053 had become largely the only way for the United States to keep itself governing; and that the United States wasn't exactly a pristine place despite her extraterrestrial colonial ambitions.
Point of order, The Clinton that I am referring to is in fact, Bill Clinton, whose Presidency is the point of divergence. Not Hillary's theoretical presidency. There are a number of events that have transpired since Spring 1997 (the point of divergence) that have changed the ins-outs of the U.S. government, and sure as hell have made any theoretical HRC administration null-moot-and-void. While I will admit that I made an error in connecting a dead bill to an Executive Order; this alt-future USA has a few constitutional precedents to allow the President to do something so drastic.
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Uhura's Mazda
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So I decided to turn this into a little FH Wikibox series thingummy.
After the Eurosceptic parties (UKIP, which concentrates on European elections and lobbying; and the Radical Party, which concentrates on Parliament) teamed up in the Get Britain Out campaign and won Cameron's foolish EU 'Brexit' Referendum on 26 June 2016, David Cameron resigned and, after an abortive leadership campaign, was succeeded by reluctant Remainer Theresa May. May struck a slightly more centrist course than Cameron, focusing on social policy to lift austerity-stricken Hard Working Families out of poverty and into grammar schools. But despite creating two senior Cabinet positions purely to deal with Brexit, she never actually triggered Article 50 (the mechanism by which a state cuts all ties with the European Union).
This was displeasing to 52% of the population, as well as to a significant minority of Tory Ministers and backbenchers. After a little less than two years of the 'Nannying Fussbucketry' school of Conservatism - supposedly descended from the 'Wets' of the 1980s - the Right of the Conservative Party had had enough. They triggered a leadership coup figureheaded by their nominee Jacob Rees-Mogg. Rees-Mogg had been a darling of the mainstream media since his patrician drawl had first appeared on Have I Got New For You, and he was the archetype of the mid-20th-century young fogey trapped in the hideous chromery of the 2010s. This was an increasingly popular image in an increasingly chaotic international political scene. Anyone who had ever used Twitter knew some adorable little factoid about Jacob Rees-Mogg, be it the fact that in his first attempt at entering Parliament he had been accompanied by his nanny, or the fact that he was the first person to use the word 'Floccinaucinihilipilification' in the House of Commons with a straight face, or the fact that, after misunderstanding the city's Wikipedia article, he had worn a twee sailor suit on a rare visit to Bristol during his campaign to be elected Mayor of the West of England.
Rees-Mogg had the support of 67 MPs in the House of Commons: a minority of the Party, most of whom rallied round May as their predecessors had rallied round Thatcher, but enough to throw the vote to the Tory membership in the grassroots. The local Conservative Associations, for the information of anyone who has been lucky enough never to have come across one in the wild, were a lot more old-fashioned than the Members of Parliament they campaign for, and Rees-Mogg was their darling. He won 59% of the vote on the second anniversary of the Brexit vote. He was Leader. He was Prime Minister.
For slightly less than a fortnight.
The Conservatives in the Commons are a ruthless bunch, and as soon as Jacob Rees-Mogg had kissed the Queen's hand at the Palace (while informing her placidly that the hand-kissing ceremony wasn't actually required, but "these little traditions enliven the grubby business of politics rather, don't they?"), they were laying their plots against him. Rees-Mogg's first test was the vote to trigger Article 50, which he won by a narrow margin, and only due to the votes of sympathetic Labour MPs (including their Leader, Jeremy Corbyn). But he was still struggling to fill all the Junior positions in his Government, and on 4 July the coup unfolded. Theresa May unveiled a new 'One Nation Party' along with a hard core of moderate Tories, and over the course of the next few days, dribs and drabs of defectors turned into floods. On 9 July, One Nation had 276 MPs, and Rees-Mogg's Government was stranded. He resigned - too late to come out with any dignity - and gained the dubious honour of being the shortest-serving Prime Minister since the 18th century.
It was, as he put it in his memoirs, "a superlative performance, but not a very good one".
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After the Eurosceptic parties (UKIP, which concentrates on European elections and lobbying; and the Radical Party, which concentrates on Parliament) teamed up in the Get Britain Out campaign and won Cameron's foolish EU 'Brexit' Referendum on 26 June 2016, David Cameron resigned and, after an abortive leadership campaign, was succeeded by reluctant Remainer Theresa May. May struck a slightly more centrist course than Cameron, focusing on social policy to lift austerity-stricken Hard Working Families out of poverty and into grammar schools. But despite creating two senior Cabinet positions purely to deal with Brexit, she never actually triggered Article 50 (the mechanism by which a state cuts all ties with the European Union).
This was displeasing to 52% of the population, as well as to a significant minority of Tory Ministers and backbenchers. After a little less than two years of the 'Nannying Fussbucketry' school of Conservatism - supposedly descended from the 'Wets' of the 1980s - the Right of the Conservative Party had had enough. They triggered a leadership coup figureheaded by their nominee Jacob Rees-Mogg. Rees-Mogg had been a darling of the mainstream media since his patrician drawl had first appeared on Have I Got New For You, and he was the archetype of the mid-20th-century young fogey trapped in the hideous chromery of the 2010s. This was an increasingly popular image in an increasingly chaotic international political scene. Anyone who had ever used Twitter knew some adorable little factoid about Jacob Rees-Mogg, be it the fact that in his first attempt at entering Parliament he had been accompanied by his nanny, or the fact that he was the first person to use the word 'Floccinaucinihilipilification' in the House of Commons with a straight face, or the fact that, after misunderstanding the city's Wikipedia article, he had worn a twee sailor suit on a rare visit to Bristol during his campaign to be elected Mayor of the West of England.
Rees-Mogg had the support of 67 MPs in the House of Commons: a minority of the Party, most of whom rallied round May as their predecessors had rallied round Thatcher, but enough to throw the vote to the Tory membership in the grassroots. The local Conservative Associations, for the information of anyone who has been lucky enough never to have come across one in the wild, were a lot more old-fashioned than the Members of Parliament they campaign for, and Rees-Mogg was their darling. He won 59% of the vote on the second anniversary of the Brexit vote. He was Leader. He was Prime Minister.
For slightly less than a fortnight.
The Conservatives in the Commons are a ruthless bunch, and as soon as Jacob Rees-Mogg had kissed the Queen's hand at the Palace (while informing her placidly that the hand-kissing ceremony wasn't actually required, but "these little traditions enliven the grubby business of politics rather, don't they?"), they were laying their plots against him. Rees-Mogg's first test was the vote to trigger Article 50, which he won by a narrow margin, and only due to the votes of sympathetic Labour MPs (including their Leader, Jeremy Corbyn). But he was still struggling to fill all the Junior positions in his Government, and on 4 July the coup unfolded. Theresa May unveiled a new 'One Nation Party' along with a hard core of moderate Tories, and over the course of the next few days, dribs and drabs of defectors turned into floods. On 9 July, One Nation had 276 MPs, and Rees-Mogg's Government was stranded. He resigned - too late to come out with any dignity - and gained the dubious honour of being the shortest-serving Prime Minister since the 18th century.
It was, as he put it in his memoirs, "a superlative performance, but not a very good one".
The Radverse
The Radical Party
Well, yeah, but he gave it like a 100+ years.
I've also personally fucked over the constitution, but that's partially because of a bipartisan amendment to give the federal government the powers to regulate elections for major offices, in order to handle the various inconsistencies across dozens of voter ID and voting period cases. This, of course, was promptly abused. The other part is the victorious AMP passing the National Security amendment that essentially allows the government to indefinitely annul an individual's rights if it can be shown that it's nesecary to safeguard national security.
Asami
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Aye, perhaps my method of showing this particular instance wasn't the best way to show it. The point was more to show that executive orders by 2053 had become largely the only way for the United States to keep itself governing; and that the United States wasn't exactly a pristine place despite her extraterrestrial colonial ambitions. Poor execution on my part. As well, I was going for the spin that the Common Sense candidate may not be the guardian of democracy she purports herself to be...
Besides, setting a U.S. timeline set in the future by a couple centuries in space is just asking for drama to crop up. Which is why I'm aiming for late 21st century nonsense, *shrug*
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Yes, but there still has to be logic that can be found in the Constitution to back it
Or perhaps a rubber-stamp supreme court? But I think even that would spark enough outrage to reverse course.
Perhaps if the executive order had happened during a major pandemic and the Supreme Court subsequently declined to hear the case? That's still stretching it, though.
That's possible, but if we've reached that point, it shouldn't be too hard to have Congress pass the law again
And we're missing the obvious solution here: government agencies, aka, the fourth branch of government
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