Accurate List of U.S. Protectorates?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Strategos' Risk, Feb 27, 2005.

  1. Strategos' Risk Oriental Orientalist

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    Is this map accurate? I'm going to use it in a future TL, probably.

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    By accurate I mean were those nations really protectorates? And were there any countries not included on the map? Should Honduras be counted as a protectorate/quasi-protectorate?
     
  2. Othniel Comrade General-Secretary

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    Well the Canal zone went back to Panama
     
  3. Grey Wolf Me?

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    Probably

    There are other bits and pieces, such as US occupation of much of Mexico in 1846-8 during the war

    And Willam Walker's expedition to... Nicaragua / also later expeditions to Miskitia then a British protectorate

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  4. simonbp Rancher of Widemos

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    The US also gained Guam and the Phillipines in the Spanish American War, and Liberia was a US "quasi-protectorate" for most of the 19th century...

    Simon ;)
     
  5. Grey Wolf Me?

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    Oh yeah, what about Samoa then, and Micronesia etc ? I guess its just a map of the Caribbean and one needs an additional one for the Pacific.

    What was Liberia's legal status before independence in the 1840s ?

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  6. David S Poepoe Banned

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    The Republic of Hawaii, as opposed to the Kingdom of Hawaii, was a defacto US protectorate between 1894 and its annexation in 1898.
     
  7. Melvin Loh Member

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    What about other possibles discussed in previous threads like Armenia (posy-WWI) or Sicily (post-WWII) ? Maybe all or part of Australia and NZ as well ? Then OTL there's Guam, Wake, etc.

    I believe that up to Liberia's legal status from the 1820s and 1st freed slave settlement at Grand Bassa was as a colony, until independence was declared 1847.
     
  8. david3565 Member

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    Australia has been an independent commonwealth since the 1870s (?). Don't know about NZ though. Still, such things are doubtful. Why would we want to posess it, especially since the same sentiment of "civilizing" non-European peoples can't be used? The early 20th century imperialism was pretty much an aberration in American foreign policy. Pre-1890s, it wasn't a popular thought and post-1930, it was abandoned.
     
  9. Melvin Loh Member

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    David, Australia's been a self-governing Cth since federation in 1900-01, altho the individual colonies (NSW, Vic, Tas, SA, WA, Qld) were also self-governing entities recognised as such by London from the mid-1850s.
     
  10. david3565 Member

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    Thanks. I haven't done much reading on Australian history. I probably should...
     
  11. paulwiggins Paul Wiggins

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    New Zealand became under British sovereignty in the 1840s following the Treaty of Waitangi between the indigenous Maori people and the Crown. Interestingly, one reason is that Maori people wanted protection againmst Americans who were whaling sealing and generally being Americans (jes kiddin' about the last). Provincial government followed in the mid 1850s, rapidly evolving into complete independence as explained on this page:http://www.teara.govt.nz/1966/G/GovernmentParliament/EstablishmentOfRepresentativeInstitutions/en.
     
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