A Greater Britain, Mk2

Surely one of the most interesting TLs that I have read, I expect with ansiety new segments of this new revised and improved "A greater Britain".:cool:

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I reckoned it made more sense to post the whole thing from the beginning rather then starting from where I left off, plus it means that any new readers will have a better idea of what's going on.

I agree with it, although personally it will some difficult for me to expect sometime until to see the continuation of the last segment about Austrian war that you write in the version 1 of "A greater Britain" -it was a truly hot,hot and cool segment-, I think as you that it is better to see all the changes that you have made in the initial segments and also that persons that don´t know your TL could apreciate it from the beginning.

Waiting new segments.:cool:
 
I agree with it, although personally it will some difficult for me to expect sometime until to see the continuation of the last segment about Austrian war that you write in the version 1 of "A greater Britain" -it was a truly hot,hot and cool segment-, I think as you that it is better to see all the changes that you have made in the initial segments and also that persons that don´t know your TL could apreciate it from the beginning.

Hopefully some of the additions along the way will make it worthwhile for you- you'll get to see what ends up happening in Spain before the war, for example... ;)

Frank Field as well as Blair, eh?

Heh, that too... :rolleyes:

So in OTL did Mosley make a similar resignation speech as Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, and did MPs including Churchill and Lloyd George praise him for it, or does that part not follow OTL so closely?

Yes, it happened in OTL too- the passage practically lifted verbatim from Mosley's autobriography. I felt it showed how well-respected he was at this stage of his career- and how narcissistic he was of course!

Was Hitler that well known in 1931 for that heckler to make the comparison? Wouldn't Mussolini have been a more likely comparison? After all, he'd already been in power and implementing fascism for years...

Interestingly, somebody shouted that at Mosley at a Party Conference in OTL. I suspect it may have been the 1930 one. To be honest I can't remember the exact details as I wrote that passage about two years ago now (which is scary in itself), but I remember being rather pleased as the incident fitted in there rather well.

I'm surprised, given Mosley's greater stature and the greater popularity of Keynesianism within the party that the deadlock in government lasts as long as it did in OTL.

I would imagine that when the run on the banks starts, Mosely's supporters in Cabinet bring the matter to a head earlier, and bring the government down then.

That's an interesting point actually. I think there are two factors in play here. Firstly it would require nothing less then an all-out coup to get rid of both MacDonald and Snowden, and Mosley isn't quite capable of that just yet. Many regard him as a "young man in a hurry" and the Labour old guard certainly don't trust him. Opposition tends to concentrate minds in these situations...

Secondly, while Mosley is personally popular, his political programme is less so- it would be a 'brave' (in the civil service sense) for a governing party to abandon orthodoxy completely mid-government and put its trust in a completely unknown quantity. It will take the events of the autumn of 1931 for Labour to fully trust him and that will be coming up in the next chapter, which I'll post tomorrow.
 
Chapter 3

“Power without principle is barren, but principle without power is futile.”
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(Taken from “The Crisis of 1931” by George Barlow, Picador 1990)

“When Parliament reconvened after the summer recess, it was to a completely changed political situation, and to a looming crisis. The new Government was determined to stay on the gold standard, and Government MP after Government MP stood to declare their financial orthodoxy. The Opposition response was muted. Mosley used his first Commons speech as Leader to ram home his scepticism about Government policy; “why is the government so worried about inflation in a period where prices are sharply falling?” he asked, to an uneasy silence from the Opposition benches behind him… Labour disquiet was soon swallowed by outrage however. After Mosley’s speech the former Prime Minister Ramsay MacDonald rose from the backbenches and pointedly gave his blessing to the new Government, first to a stunned silence and then to boos and shouts of ‘Judas!’ from around him and cheers from the Government benches[11]… for a time there was thought to be a real possibility that MacDonald would join the new Government; however this was never more then a persistent rumour, and one quashed by MacDonald’s own decision to retire at the next election.”


(Taken from “Labour; Drift and rediscovered purpose, 1924-1939” by Simon Greene, CUP 1982)

“Mosley’s insistence on his anti-gold standard position in early September began to cause serious divisions within the Party. Even the far-Left began to question his vehement belief in the total wrong-headedness of Government policy, though many Labour MPs were distinguished by their total lack of economic knowledge and followed Mosley on trust. By the third week of September Labour’s perceived saviour of a month before appeared to be courting disaster, amid mounting moves by sections of the Party to “stop the train wreck”. The Unions in particular were beginning to turn against Mosley, going as far as to send demonstrators to meetings at which Mosley spoke…”[12]


(Taken from “My Life” by Oswald Mosley, Longman 1961)

“…Our meetings had been orderly except for a lively heckling, which helps rather than hinders a speaker. But the climate changed completely when a Union man threw eggs at me during a speech in Newcastle… John Strachey reported afterwards that following the incident I remarked that 'This is the crowd which has prevented anything being done in England since the war'. This is true, but it is clear that I did not mean they were merely averse to change. What I meant then and mean now is that the long-experienced and entirely dedicated agents and warriors of the vested interests always play on the anarchy inherent in sections of Labour to secure the confusion, disillusion which is essential to their long-term plan. In a crisis they will attempt to prevent any major reform or ordered progress through the medium of the Labour Party.”


(Taken from “Labour; Drift and rediscovered purpose, 1924-1939” by Simon Greene, CUP 1982)

“On the 20th September however Mosley’s gamble paid off handsomely. The Cabinet was left with no choice but to accept the Bank of England’s advice to suspend fixed-price gold sales, and so the government finally “did what it was formed not to do”. To the surprise of all those who had been predicting disaster, the apocalyptic results of the move resolutely failed to materialise… Several days after the gold standard was dropped, Snowden’s prediction of unemployment rising to ten million and the Pound halving in value seemed utterly ridiculous, and Mosley’s economic judgement was completely vindicated…Two weeks later, the Labour conference gave Mosley a rapturous reception. Against all odds he had hugely embarrassed the government and had been able to position the Labour Party as a genuine alternative to the economic orthodoxy espoused by all the other parties save the Lloyd-Georgites… In a speech to delegates Mosley was in a bullish mood.”


(Extracts from Oswald Mosley’s speech to the Labour conference, October 1931)

“…Let us make no mistake; let us have no concealment at all. This Movement is a revolutionary Movement, a Movement which seeks no compromise, a Movement that will stand for no unity with the Parties of betrayal. We stand for the union of the British people in a system consistent with our traditions, but a system purged and cleansed of this corruption. Our Movement, therefore, is a Movement of revolution, a Movement which will be given its power by the declared will of the British people, not merely with their consent, but with a passion of enthusiasm…

…We remind the British people of something that nowadays we seem to forget: that we possess an Empire which contains one-quarter of the globe, one-fifth of its inhabitants, which contains within it every single raw material, every material resource that mankind can possibly desire; that the output of our machinery can be enormously increased, and even multiplied…. Not a single technician in industry either can deny that granted a market for which to produce, within Britain and the Empire alone, without any reliance on outside supplies, within the Empire alone, we can enormously increase our present, production and wealth….

We must exclude from Britain and the Empire the flood of cheap sweated goods which drag down our standard of life. Behind that insulation, by Law of the corporate system, we shall raise wages over the whole field of industry and give to the British people at last the power to consume the goods which the British people produce. The Finance and Credit system of the country will no longer be used for the creation of foreign competition and other purposes inimical to the British people. The Finance and Credit of Britain at last will be used for the purposes of the British people as laid down by British Government!”[13]


(Taken from “The Crisis of 1931” by George Barlow, Picador 1990)

“…As Labour met in Scarborough, the Government was deciding to dissolve itself. Baldwin judged that the immediate crisis was over and saw no reason to prolong a coalition when in his view an entirely Conservative administration was achievable at the polls. The Samuelite Liberals for their part were uneasy about being part of a government with a predilection towards protectionism, and were in any case convinced that an election would put them in a far more advantageous position for negotiating with whichever new administration that was formed. Accordingly, on October 5th Baldwin asked the King for the dissolution of Parliament…”


(Taken from “Labour; Drift and rediscovered purpose, 1924-1939” by Simon Greene, CUP 1982)

“The calling of new elections in the autumn of 1931 seemed to promise a further re-alignment in British politics. All parties were confident of improving their situation; Baldwin was certain that voters would reject Labour by enough of a margin to secure a straight Tory majority, while Mosley felt that he had repaired enough of the damage caused to Labour by their time in office to be in with a chance of Government. For their part, even the Liberal factions looked forward to increasing their shares of the vote and influencing any new administration…

In the febrile atmosphere of the campaign, Mosley’s energy and drive came to the fore. He was determined to pre-empt Conservative attacks on the Labour Government’s record by repudiating the administration’s legacy in its entirety;

“Mr Chamberlain says that the former Government’s failure speaks for itself, and I am inclined to agree… Indeed, I concur so completely with his views that our former Chancellor Mr Snowden says that this party has ‘run mad’! The facts do speak for themselves, and the fact that Messers Snowden and MacDonald appear to wish the Conservative Party well in the forthcoming election is a fact that speaks very loudly indeed to me…”

…On the 11th October Labour launched its manifesto, the grandly-titled “Britain arise”. The document was a hugely radical one compared to its 1929 predecessor; it was essentially the “Mosley Manifesto” of the year before adopted as official Opposition policy. Making a speech marking the launch, Mosley waved a copy of the document in the air and made the break with the past explicit;

“We are not the party of the ‘old women’ who dithered and procrastinated while crisis loomed. The ‘old gang’ have even got over the pretence of fighting each other now. They are all in one camp, huddled together. This is not their Party any longer. This is a New Labour Party!”


(Taken from “The Crisis of 1931” by George Barlow, Picador 1990)

“…The Conservative election campaign was a savage one. Despite Mosley’s (largely successful) attempts to distance himself from the MacDonald administration the Labour Party was constantly attacked as being manifestly incompetent at best and criminally negligent at worst. Labour policy was described as ‘naked Bolshevism’ that would ruin the country, and Mosley himself was characterised as a disingenuous aristocrat who swapped his Rolls-Royce for an old Ford and his frock coat for a boiler suit as he went out canvassing… On the eve of polling, both sides were confident of victory. Labour canvassers had reported the best response in years, especially from working class Conservatives who seemed to have been won over by Mosley’s combination of patriotism and interventionism. The Conservatives by contrast had found that voters were unwilling to reward Labour for the mistakes of the last Parliament…”


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[11] OTL MacDonald decided that if he was not going to be part of a National Government then he would give his blessing to a Tory/Liberal coalition- this is what he’s doing here, made more pressing in his mind because he believes a Mosley government and a swing from financial orthodoxy would lead to national disaster.

[12] OTL, Labour was wedded to the financial orthodoxy for a lot longer- here, Mosley’s really pushing the Keynesian approach. Large sections of the Party still are taking some convincing though.

[13] This is all OTL Mosley, tweaked slightly
 
That's an interesting point actually. I think there are two factors in play here. Firstly it would require nothing less then an all-out coup to get rid of both MacDonald and Snowden, and Mosley isn't quite capable of that just yet. Many regard him as a "young man in a hurry" and the Labour old guard certainly don't trust him. Opposition tends to concentrate minds in these situations...

Fair enough. In OTL, I think the events went that the May report was issued on the 31st of July, there was a run on gold and the banks on the 10th of August, and Macdonald came back from holiday on the 11th. The Labour party was then deadlocked until the end of the month. I was merely thinking that this 3 weeks of deadlock wouldn't occur, and the timetable would be moved up a couple of weeks.

It's your TL of course, and I can understand trying to reduce divergence this early. It's notable that there was significant capital flight during that August, partially due to the appearance of government paralysis.

“…Let us make no mistake; let us have no concealment at all. This Movement is a revolutionary Movement, a Movement which seeks no compromise, a Movement that will stand for no unity with the Parties of betrayal. We stand for the union of the British people in a system consistent with our traditions, but a system purged and cleansed of this corruption. Our Movement, therefore, is a Movement of revolution, a Movement which will be given its power by the declared will of the British people, not merely with their consent, but with a passion of enthusiasm…


This seems a little bold, given the existence of the Soviet Union. Perhaps a replacement of the word revolution for transformation would serve him better (not to say Mosely's sensible enough to know this).
 
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Thinking more deeply about this crisis, where does the Cabinet line up. We have 20 members of the Cabinet, and half of them vote against the Prime Minister. Inevitably, those who did so will automatically be seen as belonging to the pro-Mosely faction. As importantly, there will be an expectation that they will receive rewards for their support - first in the Shadow Cabinet, and then possibly in government.

Assuming no butterflys, the Cabinet consists of:

Prime Minister - Ramsey Macdonald - Support
Chancellor of the Exchequer - Philip Snowdon - Support
Lord Chancellor - Lord Sankey - Support
Lord President of the Council - Charles Cripps - Support
Lord of the Privy Seal - ? -
Foreign Secretary - Arthur Henderson - Opposed (note, he was the original Useful Idiot)
Home Secretary - John Robert Clynes - Opposed
First Lord of the Admiralty - A. V. Alexander - Opposed
Minister of Agriculture - Christopher Addison - Opposed
Air Secretary - William Mackenzie - Support
Colonial Secretary - Sidney Webb - Opposed (pro-Soviet, he was ill, may well have stepped down earlier, or may not have stepped down as Dominion Secretary)
Dominion Secretary - James Henry Thomas (originally Lord of the Privy Seal, so may be butterflied away) - Support
President of the Board of Education - Hastings Lee-Smith - Support
Minister of Health - Arthur Greenwood- ?
India Secretary - William Wedgewood Benn - Opposed
Minister of Labour - Margaret Bondfield - ?
Scottish Secretary - William Adamson - ?
President of the Board of Trade - William Graham - ?
War Secretary - Thomas Shaw - ?
First Commissioner of Works - George Lansbury - Opposed (noted pacifist)

If you look at these opposers as the core of Mosely's Shadow Cabinet, what type of Cabinet will we get? We have a substantial influence from the Left of the Party, although Sidney Webb could be sidelined gracefully, Arthur Henderson would be much more challenging. He would almost have to be given a senior position as a reward for gracefully conceding.

Other interesting possibilities are represented by:

Alexander, who worked to encourage recruitment of naval officers from a working class background, which could tie in with Mosely's rhetoric of reform within a traditionalist context. He would also be a good balance for Cabinet pacifists, as a notable supporter of rearmament OTL.

Addison, who we could see bringing in a pre-war proto-NHS, with perhaps significantly less good terms for doctors than OTL.

Benn, who could have an interesting effect on British aviation, given that he was a pilot, intimately involved in commanding aircraft and took part in organising the insertion of spies by parachute into enemy territory. Early British parachute regiment, anyone?

Margaret Bondfield, as having a female cabinet minister so early for a significant period would have both significant butterflys and direct effects. If she remained in the same role, (Shadow) Minister of Labour, she would also have a very powerful role in government, given the unemployment crisis. Given the role of women in the home front, if she's still in post of a World War II breaks out, this could be a powerful symbolic role as well.

George Lansbury, combining significant personal popularity, a commitment to Keynesian style public works, and deep pacifism, would make an interesting character. He could well start off as a key ally, and then fall out deeply with Mosely later on in the 30s.
 
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This seems a little bold, given the existence of the Soviet Union. Perhaps a replacement of the word revolution for transformation would serve him better (not to say Mosely's sensible enough to know this).

I know what you're getting at, but I think that in the circumstances Mosley's bullishness may get the better of him. He has just been massively vindicated, and is trying to whip up the Party faithfull. Plus, he's inclined to underline the shift from MacDonald. Mosley is desperate not to be associated with the previous Government as electorally-speaking it's something of an albatross around his neck...

If you look at these opposers as the core of Mosely's Shadow Cabinet, what type of Cabinet will we get? We have a substantial influence from the Left of the Party, although Sidney Webb could be sidelined gracefully, Arthur Henderson would be much more challenging. He would almost have to be given a senior position as a reward for gracefully conceding.

Some very interesting speculation there, it's helped me clarify my own thoughts rather a lot so thanks! I have to admit that I hadn't sat down and worked out exactly what the initial Mosley Cabinet would look like, although I knew who'd be getting the top jobs I hadn't gone into any more detail then that. Having though about it more closely, here's what I came up with... (it's worth pointing out BTW that there are some shenanigans to come before Labour get back into office so this is a little way down the road);

Mosley’s first term: July 1932

Prime Minister – Oswald Mosley
Chancellor of the Exchequer – Hugh Dalton (Mosleyite protoge who can be relied upon to do what Downing St says, think Alistair Darling)
Lord Chancellor – Charles Cripps
Lord President of the Council – Arthur Ponsonby
Lord of the Privy Seal – Frederick Jowett (ILP man who OTL lost his seat in 1931, ITTL in charge of coordinating the employment drive)
Foreign Secretary – Arthur Henderson (rewarded for not standing)
Home Secretary – William Graham (Again, a Mosleyite- doesn't die suddenly ITTL)
First Lord of the Admiralty – A V Alexander (Excellent suggestion!)
Minister of Agriculture – Jack Lawson
Air Secretary – William Wedgewood Benn (Another excellent suggestion, fits well with some of my other plans too...)
Colonial Secretary – Phillip Noel-Baker
Dominion Secretary – J H Thomas
President of the Board of Education - Margaret Bondfield
Minister of Health - Christopher Addison
India Secretary – William Lunn
Minister of Labour – George Lansbury (mainly to keep him away from foreign affairs, not that it helps)
Scottish Secretary – William Adamson
President of the Board of Trade - John Strachey (was Mosley's PPS, so gets rewarded)
War Secretary – Clement Attlee
First Commissioner of Works – Ellen Wilkinson (OTL she organised the Jarrow March. In appaearance, she sounds scarily like a 1930's Hazel Blears)

Thoughts?
 
I know what you're getting at, but I think that in the circumstances Mosley's bullishness may get the better of him. He has just been massively vindicated, and is trying to whip up the Party faithfull. Plus, he's inclined to underline the shift from MacDonald.

The question is, does the broader party really want that much revolution. He is already seen as a young radical, so needs to unify the party after the divisiveness of binning a leader.

(it's worth pointing out BTW that there are some shenanigans to come before Labour get back into office so this is a little way down the road);
Wasn't expecting anything less. A successful move to Keynsian supply-side management this early would probably take the wind from Mosely's sails a little too early - things may need to get a lot worse to permit a more radical agenda.

Mosley’s first term: July 1932
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Prime Minister – Oswald Mosley
Obvious
Chancellor of the Exchequer – Hugh Dalton (Mosleyite protoge who can be relied upon to do what Downing St says, think Alistair Darling)
Also a notably talented candidate, if completely lacking in experience.
Lord Chancellor – Charles Cripps
At 80, is he too old for what is quite a key post? He did live until '41, I suppose.
Lord President of the Council – Arthur Ponsonby
A pacifist.
Lord of the Privy Seal – Frederick Jowett (ILP man who OTL lost his seat in 1931, ITTL in charge of coordinating the employment drive)
Pacifist. As a man whose job seems to be all about stepping on George Lansbury's toes, he seems remarkably close politically. The guaranteed minimum income would be a very interesting policy to see implemented.
Foreign Secretary – Arthur Henderson (rewarded for not standing)
Reasonable, Foreign Office is a big deal, and having him run around trying to strengthen the league may help in the early years. He's going to resign if rearmament starts.
Home Secretary – William Graham (Again, a Mosleyite- doesn't die suddenly ITTL)
Don't know anything about him.
First Lord of the Admiralty – A V Alexander (Excellent suggestion!)
Thanks. He was a loyalist by nature - pushing MacDonald's disarmament policies in the Admiralty whilst defending its budget from outside.
Minister of Agriculture – Jack Lawson
An interesting character. According to wikipedia he was popular amongst the senior military during his first stint at the War Office, and with the common solider the second.
Air Secretary – William Wedgewood Benn (Another excellent suggestion, fits well with some of my other plans too...)
He was an interesing character. Curious to see where the dynasty goes in TTL.
Colonial Secretary – Phillip Noel-Baker
Notable for having a 20 year affair with Llyod-George's daughter. Not that it's particularly relevant, but she was a Liberal MP in this era. Yet another proponent of disarmament.
Dominion Secretary – J H Thomas
A reconciliation gesture, perhaps, as he was one of MacDonald's greatest loyalists OTL.
President of the Board of Education - Margaret Bondfield
As I say above, interesting consequences.
Minister of Health - Christopher Addison
Bring on the NHS, then.
India Secretary – William Lunn
Given that the Labour government had agreed in principle to Dominion status in '31, then he's going to have the hassle of implementing it.
Minister of Labour – George Lansbury (mainly to keep him away from foreign affairs, not that it helps)
Not with Henderson there instead.
Scottish Secretary – William Adamson
President of the Board of Trade - John Strachey (was Mosley's PPS, so gets rewarded)
Know nothing about them.
War Secretary – Clement Attlee
Inevitable he gets a big role. Said to have been popular as Under-secretary of War earlier.
First Commissioner of Works – Ellen Wilkinson (OTL she organised the Jarrow March. In appaearance, she sounds scarily like a 1930's Hazel Blears)
Interesting, in a Keynesian context she has a very significant responsibility. She ay well acquire the nick-name Red Ellen in this TL as well

In general this is an interesting cabinet for a first Mosely government, with a significant pacifist/disarmament component. It also has several radicals amongst its members. A guaranteed minimum income scheme would have the most effects, although an early NHS would also be significant.
 
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A couple of points & a question

Although Alratan has already commented:

A couple of political dynasties affected there...

I see Stafford Cripps' father, Tony Benn's too.

I'm sure there's a couple of other family connections I've missed, but the formation of both men's political ideas and career is going to be affected: Stafford Cripps' less so as he was in his forties already by the 1930s. Alratan already pointed out that Charles Cripps was about 80 by this point. However, as Wiki article points out, in OTL he "served again as Lord President of the Council with special responsibility for League of Nations affairs in the second Labour government of 1929–1931, despite his advanced age." So, probably not that improbable that he should have a post in 1932.

Tony Benn, however, was born in 1925, so his early formative years will be affected strongly by the course of the 1930s. Maybe he won't even go into politics, difficult to say I suppose.

How far are you planning on taking this TL?

Not that I have an obsession with Tony Benn, I just think he's an interesting figure...:)
 
In general this is an interesting cabinet for a first Mosely government, with a significant pacifist/disarmament component. It also has several radicals amongst its members. A guaranteed minimum income scheme would have the most effects, although an early NHS would also be significant.

There is a significant disarmament component- it's worth noting that even OTL Mosley was extremely keen on disarmament, provided that it was multi-lateral. Sadly, that's not really on the agenda so the likes of Henderson et all will be pretty disappointed in the end. As for the policies of a Mosley Government, an appropriately corporatist minimum wage scheme will be one of the centrepieces of the Mosley Government's first King's speech. A proto-NHS... I haven't decided how to go about that yet, to be honest. I may insert a few paragraphs on the reforms in a later post- I do have quite a good idea of what I may go for there.

I'm sure there's a couple of other family connections I've missed, but the formation of both men's political ideas and career is going to be affected: Stafford Cripps' less so as he was in his forties already by the 1930s.

Tony Benn, however, was born in 1925, so his early formative years will be affected strongly by the course of the 1930s. Maybe he won't even go into politics, difficult to say I suppose.

Stafford Cripps will be a prominent Labour figure in the 1930's although he does not get on with Mosley very well, to put it mildly... As for Benn, I haven't actually thought that much about him although I suspect that he'll probably end up in politics.

How far are you planning on taking this TL?

The TL is focused on Mosley, so it's going to end when he leaves power. There is an epilogue set in 1976 however, which will give an idea of the wider world...
 
Chapter 4

“This Party will, ultimately, be judged on its ability to deliver on its promise.”
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(Taken from “The Encyclopaedia of 20th Century British Politics”, Eds. June + Peterson. Longman, 1999)

1931 ELECTION: The 1931 election was held in the autumn of that year after Stanley Baldwin’s Conservative-Liberal emergency Government dissolved itself. After a hard-fought campaign that both major parties were confident of winning, the result was another hung parliament. Labour lost seats to the Conservatives, but not enough to enable a majority administration. As consequence, Baldwin was reluctantly forced to enter into coalition with the Samuelite Liberals for a second time.

The results were as follows:

Conservative: 291 (+31)
Labour: 257 (-30)
Liberal (Samuelite): 31 (+1)
Liberal (Simonite): 27 (-2)[14]


(Taken from “Labour; Drift and rediscovered purpose, 1924-1939” by Simon Greene, CUP 1982)

“…The continuation of a hung Parliament after the General Election united almost every major political figure in disappointment. Baldwin found himself in a situation practically unchanged from before the election… he still had to depend on the Liberals for survival, but the protectionist lobby in his Party was becoming increasingly vocal. For Mosley’s part, he regarded the results of the election as a personal humiliation. He felt that the victory that was in his grasp had been snatched away by the machinations of the press barons, and three days after the election he condemned the national media;

“In Britain we have censorship given not to any Government, but censorship in the hands of money, and censorship used, by money, to sell to the people false news, to sell to the people lies, to push the vested interests, to raise the interest of the faction and the section above those of the people and of the nation”

Over the following six months however Mosley’s attitude towards the press would shift remarkably…”


(Taken from “Conservatives in the 1930s” by Robert Lodge, OUP 1991)

“…Almost as soon as Baldwin’s new Government was formed it began to strain under the weight of its own contradictions… The Conservative dilemma was simple; the Government required the support of the Liberals to survive, but the free-traders could never accept the protectionist agenda that seemed all but certain to be Baldwin’s policy…[15]

In one of the many ironies of British politics in the inter-war years, the arch anti-coalitionist Baldwin found himself obliged to lead a fundamentally divided coalition government with militants on both sides of the protection issue. For a time though, it seemed like the fears of many within the Party were unfounded and that somehow a balance could be struck. Baldwin’s attempts to forestall the tariff issue were largely successful at first, as he committed himself to a review of foreign trade policy to appease the protectionists, and then privately informed the Liberals that the review would find in favour of the status quo…[16]

In the spring of 1932 however, the lid could no longer be kept on the tariff issue. Preparations for the postponed Imperial conference in Ottawa were well-underway, and the fragile understanding hammered out by Baldwin was finally shattered on the 3rd April, when the die-hard protectionist Henry Page-Croft submitted a Private Member’s Bill calling for a ten-percent tariff on many non-Imperial imports. The bill caused uproar in the Commons as protectionist Tories cheered their spokesman and waved their order papers at the Government front-bench, while the incensed Liberal coalitionists angrily passed notes to the Prime Minister…

By the following week Page-Croft’s intervention had been quashed by the whips, but the damage had been done. The bill had utterly laid open the extent of backbench opinion against free-trade, and alienated both the Samuelite Liberals and their potential replacements the Simonites… Perhaps more ominously the affair impelled Lord Beaverbrook, the perennial thorn in Baldwin’s side, to re-open his long-running campaign for Imperial preference and change within the Conservative Party…”


(Taken from “Labour; Drift and rediscovered purpose, 1924-1939” by Simon Greene, CUP 1982)

“As the spring of 1932 wore on it became increasingly obvious to Mosley and the Party as a whole that despite their disappointing performance in the autumn elections Labour remained in an extremely strong position… The Opposition merely had to wait for Baldwin’s Government to implode, a task made even easier by Labour’s own vehement support for Imperial preference. In a series of speeches in April and May Mosley rammed home the notion that only Labour could be trusted to enact proper protection, or ‘insulation’ as he preferred; any Conservative administration would merely bring in a watered-down set of reforms, if any at all... By implying on April 14th that Labour would vote for any protectionist motion tabled by Tory dissidents, Dalton handed a powerful weapon to the rebels and dismayed the Liberals…”


(Taken from “Conservatives in the 1930s” by Robert Lodge, OUP 1991)

“…By resurrecting the ‘Empire Crusade’, Beaverbrook intended to justify his previous efforts and avenge earlier setbacks. He was aware that Baldwin was in a potentially impossible situation, and was determined to ‘go out more violently then ever’, forcing Baldwin to ‘give in or give up’. Increasingly he meant the latter… Beaverbrook was aware that a coalition Government involving the Liberals could never provide the policies he was determined to see enacted, and over the course of the spring of 1932 came to the conclusion that only through the government’s collapse could the ‘masses who want to wipe out the present Conservative hierarchy’ be persuaded to take action.

There was also the matter of Labour… Despite his manifest distrust of the Left Beaverbrook had a favourable opinion of Mosley, and approved of his patriotic emphasis on ‘insulation’ within the Empire. In early May the two men met and Beaverbrook’s opinions were confirmed, as he later recalled; “I sensed that in Mosley there was a man who we could do business with… He was a man of action, and had the interests of the Empire at heart”. While at this stage Beaverbrook still thought in terms of securing a protectionist Conservative Government his previous horror at the prospect of Labour in power was considerably diminished, and in the early summer he even went as far as to float the concept of a ‘National Party’ comprising of a union of the Mosleyite Labour members and the Tory protectionists…”


(Taken from “Labour; Drift and rediscovered purpose, 1924-1939” by Simon Greene, CUP 1982)

For his part, Mosley’s meeting with Beaverbrook produced a complete change in his attitude towards the press. Realising that he did have potential allies on Fleet St., Mosley began a concerted effort to cultivate contacts in the media, even going as far as to meet Lord Rothermere in early June. While neither party found the other entirely agreeable Rothermere approved of Mosley’s focus on the Empire, and in the early summer of 1932 there was a noticeable shift in the tone Labour was talked of in the comment columns and editorials of British journalism…”[17]


(Taken from “Conservatives in the 1930s” by Robert Lodge, OUP 1991)

“…In the end, the final expiration of the short-lived coalition came in late May, when the sudden death of the Liberal MP Donald Maclean[18] necessitated a by-election in the constituency of North Cornwall. The seat was relatively marginal and could be won by the Conservatives, but Baldwin decided that to appease the already grumbling Liberal element in the coalition it should remain uncontested by the Conservative party… Baldwin reckoned without the connivance of his enemies however, and on June 2nd it emerged that a young Tory named Alan-Lennox-Boyd[19] would stand in North Cornwall as an “Independent Conservative” candidate, sponsored by Beaverbrook. The following day the Labour party announced that it would not contest the seat, and requested its voters to align with Lennox-Boyd as the only candidate for ‘protection’…

…The North Cornwall campaign was a bitter one, as the Liberals poured every resource they could into the constituency, while Beaverbrook and Rothermere’s publishing Empires produced editorial after editorial extolling the virtues of their candidate. Baldwin’s already shaky authority was undermined further when on the eve of the poll Leo Amery and a group of Tory protectionists visited the area and made speeches on behalf of Lennox-Boyd… By this stage the result of the count was immaterial as the damage had already been done. Feeling betrayed and angry, Samuel’s Liberals resigned their posts on the morning of the 15th, hours before the news that Lennox-Boyd had been elected by a hair’s breadth majority…

…After desultory negotiations with the Simonite Liberals collapsed that afternoon, Baldwin found himself forced to admit that he could not form any effective Government. He went to the palace in the evening and requested the dissolution of Parliament for almost the second time in six months…”


(Taken from “The Mosley Era” by Tobias Griffin, Picador 1987)

“The election campaign of 1932 was short, vicious and decisive. Both Labour and the Conservatives realised that a straight majority had to be secured for any new administration to survive, and relentlessly harried the Liberals for their remaining seats… Baldwin had been released from the fetters of coalition and was free to campaign on a platform of Imperial Preference, but his actions over the previous six months had discredited him in the eyes of many protectionists and it seemed unlikely that any wing of the Conservative Party would fully trust him again…

On the Labour side, Mosley fought a relentlessly energetic campaign, under the slogan ‘New Labour, New Britain’. He continued to emphasise the break with the past in the hope of obtaining votes from working-class Tories wary of socialism but supportive of protection, social reform and the Empire; a strategy that began to cause increasing concern to the Conservatives… by the final week of the campaign it seemed like Labour were on course to victory, despite Tory attempts to stoke up fears of the ‘red menace’; In a bloodcurdling speech in Newcastle for example the Ulster MP William Allen claimed that ‘behind Labour members who made statesmanlike speeches there are great masses of subversive and bloodthirsty savages who want to deluge this land of ours in blood' …”[20]


(Taken from “My Life” by Oswald Mosley, Longman 1961)

“…Protection was made the main issue of the 1932 election by Baldwin, after the collapse of his coalition on the issue. Mr. Amery, the chief apostle of protection, came to Ladywood with a great nourish to introduce a new Conservative candidate against me. We exchanged amities: he called me a 'Bolshevik', and I called him 'the busy little drummer boy in the jingo brass band'. Then followed a serious and well-reasoned debate on protection before a highly expert audience…

…for me the highlight of the campaign came when I addressed a large crowd from the steps of Birmingham’s council house on the eve of polling… all the fighting was over, but a huge audience was assembled, all of whom I had to try to convince and some of whom I had to lift to further heights of enthusiasm. It was a tremendous effort of the mind, will and spirit for the sake of the cause in which I passionately believed. That period of waiting before a speech is a time of awe. In the end, the moment comes and you go over the top. All the intellect, the faith, the preparation of the spirit, is then of no avail without the effort of the will…”


(Taken from “The Encyclopaedia of 20th Century British Politics”, Eds. June + Peterson. Longman, 1999)

1932 ELECTION: The 1932 election was held in the summer of that year as the Conservative/Liberal government established the previous autumn collapsed following the North Cornwall By-Election. The campaign was a vicious one, marked by Conservative disunity over the free trade issue and the growing slump in support for the Tories amongst the working classes. The result was a major swing away from the Conservatives and Liberals, producing the first ever majority Labour government…

The results were as follows:

Labour: 318 (+61)
Conservative: 251 (-40)
Liberal: 36 (-22)
Independent: 1 (+1)[21]


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[14] The 1931 election isn’t the Labour rout of OTL for several reasons. Mosley’s efforts at re-branding the party and turning it into a strong alternative to the Conservatives is one reason, as is MacDonald’s absence from the scene- however, the big change is that there aren’t the anti-Labour electoral pacts all over the country that there were OTL because of the National Government. In 1931 the Labour vote fell, but not catastrophically- it was astute playing of the British electoral system that hurt them so much.

[15] I feel very sorry for Baldwin in this TL- the election has given him perhaps the worst result possible and it would take a miracle for anyone to salvage anything successful from the situation. He’s leading a party with sections that won’t accept anything less then outright protectionism, while being in charge of a coalition that depends on the continuation of free-trade policies.

[16] OTL there were huge tensions within the National Government on the issue of protection, but the Liberal free-traders were utterly outnumbered by the vast new intake of Tory MPs and were outmanoeuvred by MacDonald. Here, they hold the key to the government’s survival, so Baldwin has to bend over backwards to keep them onside.

[17] OTL of course Rothermere ended up supporting Mosley’s BUF in 1934- which gave us the Mail’s wonderful headline “Hurrah for the Blackshirts!”. His politics remain the same ITTL, and while he finds Mosley’s Labour roots a little pink for his liking he approves of is protectionism.

[18] The father of the Donald Maclean of Philby and Burgess fame- he died in 1932 OTL and precipitated a small crisis in the National Government.

[19] Alan Lennox-Boyd was one of the many young Tories elected in the 1931 election OTL. He later went on to become Churchill’s Transport Minister and Eden’s Colonial Minister.

[20] OTL Allen was an ally of Mosley and a member of first the New Party, then the BUF. Here, his anti-communism is getting the better of him…

[21] Why these results? Well, voters are sick of weak governments amidst a general feeling of crisis, and turn against the Liberals so strongly because there’s a general perception that they are blocking desperately-needed reforms. The Tories for their part are experiencing a haemorrhage of working-class voters to Labour, as Mosley’s appeal to “Patriotism and Protection” with social reform has paid off.
 
Nice I wonder what he'll do about Hitler and German expansion.

For a greater empire build up the military but not get into the war and let the Germans and Russians grind each other into the dust while supplying weapons and material to both.

Sound economic practice that.:D
 
Very nice, Ed. You clearly have a sound grasp of political history in this period, which is much superior to my own. (My understanding of the pre-war period is a little murky.)
 
There is a significant disarmament component- it's worth noting that even OTL Mosley was extremely keen on disarmament, provided that it was multi-lateral. Sadly, that's not really on the agenda so the likes of Henderson et all will be pretty disappointed in the end. As for the policies of a Mosley Government, an appropriately corporatist minimum wage scheme will be one of the centrepieces of the Mosley Government's first King's speech. A proto-NHS... I haven't decided how to go about that yet, to be honest. I may insert a few paragraphs on the reforms in a later post- I do have quite a good idea of what I may go for there.

Hmm, corporatism... might as well be a Tory. Grr, *leftie ranting*...:D

Stafford Cripps will be a prominent Labour figure in the 1930's although he does not get on with Mosley very well, to put it mildly... As for Benn, I haven't actually thought that much about him although I suspect that he'll probably end up in politics.
Yeah, since Stafford Cripps is on the left of the party... hmm. Speaking of T. Benn, Cripps may well be the Benn to Mosley's Kinnock. If that's not too confusing. And I don't want to know yet! Not until we get to it within the TL...:eek:

The TL is focused on Mosley, so it's going to end when he leaves power.
Fair enough.
There is an epilogue set in 1976 however, which will give an idea of the wider world...
Oooh, epilogue...
 
Chapter 5

"The art of leadership is saying no, not saying yes. It is very easy to say yes.”
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(Taken from “New Britain” by Oswald Mosley, Flag Press 1931)

“…I believe in the following simple principles: (l) give a man a job to do; (2) give him the power to do it; (3) hold him responsible for doing it; (4) sack him if he does not do it. Labour principles, therefore, abhor the fugitive irresponsibility of a committee but do not descend into the morass of dictatorship. I have seen the committee system in action within our political system and have observed its consequence. If several men are in name responsible no one is, in fact, responsible, and no one can be held to account for failure… Everyone shelters behind his colleagues and disclaims personal responsibility; all wanted to do the right thing, but none could persuade their colleagues to do it. Not only does the committee system dissipate action in endless talk; it breeds cowardice and evasion in leadership in place of courage and responsibility. Therefore, in the building of our Movement and in the building of a Government I believe in the leadership principle, which means personal and individual responsibility…

…We have rationalised industry and most other aspects of life, but we have not rationalised the State. Sir Arthur Salter has said that "private society has developed no machinery which enables industry as a whole to contribute to the formation of a general economic policy, and secure its application when adopted." It is this machinery of central direction which the Corporate State is designed to supply - and that, not as a sporadic effort in time of crisis, but as a continuous part of the machinery of Government…”


(Taken from “My Life” by Oswald Mosley, Longman 1961)

“…At the time there was much loose talk of 'business government' without any clear definition of what this term meant. I gave a definition in my first days in office: 'The proper relationship of Government to Parliament is that of company directors to shareholders— the shareholders should decide broad policy and then give the directors complete freedom to carry it out'. If 'business government' meant anything clear and practical, it meant Government given the power to act by the people's representatives in Parliament, in the same way as a board of directors is given that power by the shareholders, subject to their right to interrogate and if necessary dismiss the directors at a shareholders' meeting.

This makes a practical proposition of the term 'business government', which as a vague phrase is no aid to clear thinking. Otherwise, business government can only mean that Government should itself conduct the whole country directly, as management conducts a business; namely, universal nationalisation or interference, the last thing the business world wants. The job of Government is to make possible the job of industry, not to do it. This bedrock fact must stand out of the spate of nonsense now talked about government and industry…”


(Taken from “The Mosley Era” by Tobias Griffin, Picador 1987)

“…As soon as he entered Downing St, Mosley set about enacting the legislation he felt his country so desperately needed. Dalton was appointed Chancellor and Graham[22] Home Secretary, while the ever-dependable Henderson returned to the Foreign Office…The new Government’s first move was to submit an Import Duties Bill to parliament, creating a strong tariff barrier and in the process setting out Britain’s position on the protection issue to the Dominion Governments preparing to meet at Ottawa the following month[23]. The legislation sailed through Parliament with little difficulty, impelled both by the general sense of crisis and a large degree of support from the Tory backbenches, in disarray after the resignation of Baldwin…

…After dismantling generations of British economic policy in a stroke, Mosley’s new Government used the summer recess to deal with its own internal structure. A key facet of Mosleyite political thought was the concept of the Government as corporation, and in a bid to improve governmental efficiency the administration’s entire decision-making apparatus was overhauled…”


(Taken from “The British presidency; Government in the Mosley period” by Ivan Henderson, Longman 1991)

“Mosley’s ‘corporatism’ was based upon the need to escape from established outlooks and orthodox practices, in order to release a pragmatic inventiveness that would lead to more workable ways to address immediate problems. Given these values and motive forces, together with the Prime Minister’s determination not to be sucked into the kind of leadership-sapping spectacles of Government disintegration that marked the MacDonald and Baldwin administrations, Mosley viewed the cabinet and its system of cabinet committees with personal misgivings and suspicion… After six months of a Mosley administration, an embittered George Lansbury wrote;

‘This is a government in thrall to its triumph in July and the leader that produced it… Its collective membership permits him to run it as a personal fiefdom, consulting here and there with selected colleagues, running the show through an inner ‘war’ cabinet, not all of whose members belong to the real thing or have any other base then as a Mosley familiar… Few these days talk of the cabinet as a centre of power, or its meetings as occasions where difficult matters are thrashed out between people whose convictions matter to them’ [24]

While the forms of cabinet government were adopted, the essence remained in doubt. Cabinet committees never had the status and reach that they had possessed under previous administrations, and full sessions of the cabinet were preceded by more substantial strategy meetings by the ‘Big Three’ (in 1932, Mosley, Graham and Dalton) and selected aides. The overall effect was later described by Attlee as a system whereby ‘Mosley presided over a cabinet not of comrades, but of strangers’. The use of the word ‘strangers’ was strongly suggestive of the United States Cabinet…

…The doubling of the Prime Minister’s staff in the first year of the Mosley premiership, the introduction of Party men from Labour positions to strategic posts relating to policy advice in Government departments and the Civil Service reforms of 1932-3 all contributed to a closer association between Number 10 and the ‘centre’. The drive by Mosley to provide a dynamic and professionalised ‘centre’ was exemplified by the influx of senior advisors from outside the world of politics… In September 1932 the Government invited representatives from industry, the unions, academia and banking to join a ‘National Council’, a further dilution of cabinet power…”


(Taken from “Labour; Drift and rediscovered purpose, 1924-1939” by Simon Greene, CUP 1982)

“While Mosley stayed in Britain to supervise the construction of his new Government, in August Dalton and a large team of negotiators travelled to Ottawa and the Imperial Economic conference. Their negotiations were relatively successful. While the Imperial Free Trade Area that the government truly wanted was not realised, the British negotiators were able to walk away with an agreement that could be presented as a victory for the Imperial ideal…[25]

When Parliament reconvened in September, it had a busy legislative schedule ahead of it[26]. The twin centrepieces of this legislation were the Unemployment Act and the Fair Wages Act; the first not only restored the level of benefit to largely the level it had been before the controversial cuts the previous year, but also established a ‘National Relief Organisation’ which aimed to take unemployed volunteers and place them in camps from where they would be able to carry out public works schemes. The Fair Wages Act followed the British Columbian model, legislating for a board made up of employer and employee representatives, as well as the public, to recommend a minimum wage for workers of both sexes… Plans were also announced to give tax-breaks and other incentives to companies who established factories and light industry in the depressed parts of Northern England and Scotland, and the creation of the ‘National Council’ was designed to help coordinate the actions of business, the unions and act as a breeding-ground for new ideas… In November an Agriculture Act was passed to protect British farmers via subsidy, although many still complained about the ease of imports from the Dominions…”


(Taken from “Conservatives in the 1930s” by Robert Lodge, OUP 1991)

“…The defeat of 1932 and Baldwin’s subsequent resignation gave Conservative politicians the chance to redefine their Party and become a coherent alternative to Labour... At first it seemed that there would be little controversy in the choice of new leadership. Neville Chamberlain was the obvious frontrunner, and his ministerial experience and long-held protectionism made him an appealing successor to Baldwin. However, many within the Party believed that only by emulating Labour’s choice of a charismatic younger man as leader could the defeat of the election be reversed.

There was also the influence of Lord Beaverbrook to consider. While he had appalled many Conservatives by his destructive actions in the spring, the fall of Baldwin and the triumph of protection within the Tory party had hugely increased his influence, and the demonstration of Beaverbrook’s ability to seriously damage the party at the polls convinced many that only with a leader with his blessing could prove a success… In a series of hastily convened meetings in the first week of August a disparate grouping of Tories tried to convince the party grandees that Chamberlain was too old and too familiar a face to allow the Party to make a new start, and what was needed was youth and charisma; all qualities exemplified by the young former under-secretary at the Foreign Office, Anthony Eden… ”[27]


(Taken from “The Mosley Era” by Tobias Griffin, Picador 1987)

“…After the flurry of legislation passed by the Commons in the autumn of 1932 the Labour Government settled into its role, giving Britain its first period of political stability since the beginning of the decade. Mosley still had ambitious plans for the reformation of the House of Lords amongst other things, but he was advised by his colleagues that it would be wise to allow his initial programmes to ‘bed down’ before anything new was attempted. The Government’s popularity had soared due to the radical steps Labour had taken to reduce unemployment, and the period was a bleak one for Eden’s Conservative party, whose dark warnings of disaster if Labour policies were adopted now looked ridiculous and opportunistic…

…In the spring of 1933 the Government suffered its first major crisis, when the new German Government informed the Geneva disarmament conference that unless other countries were obliged to disarm to their level, Germany would have the right to build up its own military to parity with its neighbours. While this proposal angered the French, the Mosley Government saw it as an ideal opportunity to press for full disarmament in a general sense, and publicly endorsed the German proposal[28], suggesting a disarmament plan proposed by the US President Herbert Hoover as model for the reduction of forces. This failed to impress either the French or the Germans, and in June the German delegation withdrew from the conference, refusing all attempts to entice them back. The resulting outcry over the Government’s lack of resolve towards the prospect of German re-armament came as a surprise to many, and at a debate on the issue on May 7th Eden[29] caught the mood of the House when he remarked that; “I think… this country ought to say that we will not countenance for a moment the yielding to Hitler and force what was denied to Stresseman and reason” . The controversy deeply embarrassed Mosley and in particular Henderson, who felt taken advantage of by both the Germans and by his own Government. Once the crisis had subsided, he quietly resigned, pointedly for health reasons to avoid accusations of Labour infighting. He was swiftly replaced by Clement Attlee…

…With one of the most fervent supporters of disarmament out of the cabinet and the Geneva conference in disarray, the Prime Minister increasingly came to the opinion that the attempts to disarm had been a noble failure, and only through a gradual program of military expansion could Britain feel secure. This view would put Mosley at loggerheads with parts of his own Party for the first time since he had arrived in Government, but most certainly not for the last…”


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[22] William Graham was a highly promising figure in the Labour Party who was President of the Board of Trade in MacDonald’s Labour administration. OTL he died very suddenly in 1934- this is very likely to be butterflied away in this TL.

[23] This bit of legislation will be similar to OTL’s Import Duties Act, only more wide-ranging and with higher tariffs.

[24] Lansbury is exaggerating somewhat here- he is not a fan of the Mosley administration and has been a leading light in Labour’s small anti-Mosley faction. His quote has been reproduced by the author partly because of the benefits of hindsight.

[25] OTL the conference resulted in a series of bilateral agreements between Britain and the Dominions and was regarded as something of a fudge- ITTL the government is more ideologically wedded to Imperial Preference and so is more willing to make concessions. This breaks the deadlock to a certain extent, and Britain is able to walk away with a treaty signed by the various Dominions agreeing to coordinate their efforts. This is not good news for Estonia, Argentina and Denmark amongst others- their depression will be more severe then OTL.

[26] One effect of the flurry of legislation coming out of Downing St in the days following Mosley’s election will be a tendency for later historians to compare his first ‘hundred days’ to that of FDR’s. Roosevelt will almost certainly be described as a ‘Mosleyite’ in this TL, and for his part Mosley will be regarded as somebody who ‘Americanised’ the British system of government.

[27] Poor, poor Anthony Eden. OTL he’s remembered as the man who was forced to wait too long for the top job- in this TL he’s the promising man who had greatness thrust on him too early. At least he’s not bald though…

[28] The German demand happened OTL, indeed it was one the first acts of the 3rd Reich. In this TL however the British government has a different attitude towards disarmament then OTL’s- Henderson as Foreign secretary is a great supporter of the idea, as is the Labour party as a whole. OTL, Mosley’s stance on the issue was that if possible, all nations should disarm- however, if agreement could not be reached then Britain had every right to build up her armed forces to whatever level she saw fit. His alignment with Germany then is his attempt to secure general disarmament to forestall an otherwise-necessary military build-up.

[29]So, why Eden over Chamberlain? Well firstly, because Chamberlain is too obvious, and I wanted a young, promising but over-promoted Tory leader to be facing Mosley. In terms of the political situation, I felt that the meteoric rise of Mosley would make many Tories feel that they needed to find their own equivalent, and make a fresh start- plus I’m thinking that Chamberlain would be too closely associated to Baldwin and his final government. Plus, the Tory succession has a habit of turning against the obvious contender, as Rab Butler and Ken Clarke would doubtless tell you…

[30]OTL Attlee said something very similar.
 
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