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Interesting, though I'll admit I planned on making a map based on the games, though that would require me playing the games (I'm currently on 3 btw).

I haven't gotten to play the games so far and my map above is admittedly pulled out of my ass. It's a good thing game settings are usually not hardcore AH/FH :p
 
I haven't gotten to play the games so far and my map above is admittedly pulled out of my ass. It's a good thing game settings are usually not hardcore AH/FH :p
Same with mine on Metal Slug; and you can call it not hardcore AH material given that originated in an arcade system (and trying to make a realistic world usually isn't on the top of the list when making arcade games).
 
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Finally got this bad-boy done. And while I tried to put most of the important stuff on the map... Here's its description from deviantArt, which mostly covers questions which were already asked here but which I'm too lazy to quote again XD Enjoy, and I always appreciate comments, questions, and feedback.

A rather simple alternate interwar scenario, with the basic idea being a harsher Treaty of Versailles moving the German border east of the Rhine. Butterflies ensue. Here are a few details that aren't on the map but which kinda serve as extra material instead of a full write-up:

- Luxembourg was made to join Belgium over security concerns. Since nationalism in Luxembourg wasn't (and arguably isn't) much of a thing anyways, they didn't mind that much, since they gained the Land of Arlon for their province (the remainder of old Belgian Luxembourg was renamed Ardennes) and they have cultural rights.

- South Germany still has its old royal houses in Bavaria, Wuerttemberg and Baden. Hessian Starkenburg and Hohenzollern are separate states without their own monarchy, instead their monarch is the president of the South German Confederation aka the King of Bavaria.

- Regarding the men who would IOTL become part of the Nazi elite: Hitler died in 1930, shot with his own gun by his half-nice Geli in self-defense after he attempted to force himself onto her. Goebbels is an obscure far-right author and philosopher, who isolates himself in his home town of Rheydt. The Strasser brothers are the leaders of the Free Worker's Party, a minor third-way party in South Germany. Hermann Göring lives in Sweden, where he runs a small private aviation firm, while spending his free time with minor Swedish aristocrats. Joachim von Ribbentrop has recently taken over his father-in-law's wine business. Himmler died in 1923, one of the few deaths in TTL's Beer Hall Putsch attempt.

- The Soviet Union is led by Lev Kamenev, because the struggle between Stalin and Trotsky turned deadly for both of them ITTL. Kamenev's moderation has led to the USSR being quite centralized and following the "socialism in one country" train of thought, so in that regard its comparable to Stalin's Soviet Union. However he is far less paranoid and brutal internally, so there haven't really been any major purges.

- A WW2-type event is not guaranteed to happen. Anti-semitism is very much prevalent in Eastern Europe, while comparatively fringe in Central and Western Europe (but still a problem, of course).
 

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Finally got this bad-boy done. And while I tried to put most of the important stuff on the map... Here's its description from deviantArt, which mostly covers questions which were already asked here but which I'm too lazy to quote again XD Enjoy, and I always appreciate comments, questions, and feedback.

I have to say I really love your colour palette. It's so satisfying.

If there isn't any major WWII-esque event how would it break down? Presuming that Little Entente and Warsaw-Budapest Pact do come to blows could it end up spilling into neighbouring countries? I'd be pretty antsy if I were say, Czechoslovakia, about any destabilising conflict with those fascists next door.

Also is Britain's debt situation any better than OTL? Worse? Or so similar to OTL to be inconsequential, I imagine Germany being split int two must do some weird things in regards to reparations.
 
Finally got this bad-boy done. And while I tried to put most of the important stuff on the map... Here's its description from deviantArt, which mostly covers questions which were already asked here but which I'm too lazy to quote again XD Enjoy, and I always appreciate comments, questions, and feedback.

Norway's claim is almost ludicrous? :closedeyesmile:

Think a Japanese-Soviet war is far from unlikely: the Soviets have little to fear from the west and plenty of incentive to at least help the Chinese keep bleeding the Japanese.
 
I have to say I really love your colour palette. It's so satisfying.

If there isn't any major WWII-esque event how would it break down? Presuming that Little Entente and Warsaw-Budapest Pact do come to blows could it end up spilling into neighbouring countries? I'd be pretty antsy if I were say, Czechoslovakia, about any destabilising conflict with those fascists next door.

Also is Britain's debt situation any better than OTL? Worse? Or so similar to OTL to be inconsequential, I imagine Germany being split int two must do some weird things in regards to reparations.

Thanks ^^

Regarding the potential Carpathian front: there are people who speculate that North Germany could intervene on the side of the Little Entente, and of course the Entente proper could lend Czechoslovakia and Romania a hand. Now whether or not someone will join Hungary and Poland, I don't know. Few countries could have something to gain from it.

And I'm no expert on economic policies but I could imagine the UK government trying to kickstart exports a bit by keeping the Pound-Dollar exchange rate slightly lower than pre-war levels (my source on that). And thanks to the UK resolving their territorial disputes with the US in the Pacific in the American's favor, there probably was some debt relief there. And yes, with Germany's punishment being harder, reparations and the war blame are solved differently, which does in fact manifest in the total reparations to be paid by North and South Germany to be lower than what Germany had to pay IOTL.

Norway's claim is almost ludicrous? :closedeyesmile:

Think a Japanese-Soviet war is far from unlikely: the Soviets have little to fear from the west and plenty of incentive to at least help the Chinese keep bleeding the Japanese.

Compared to the ideal Norwegian claims of the Quisling regime, TTL's Norway's claims are almost sane XD

And yeah, a Soviet intervention in the Sino-Japanese War is one of the options I had in mind when it comes to escalating the conflict further.
 
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Jcw3

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"or so." being how long of a time variable?

Likely not happening anymore. Anything's possible, though. I might do it, still not sure if I have the time or interest. There would probably be a 1960 map rather than a hundred years later map.
 

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Cool-Eh inspired me to start working on this. The Americas are all that's finished. It's been twenty years (1960) since the land comprising the former United States was replaced with its 1700 counterparts. Canada and Mexico are the primary exploiters of the former COTUS.

The rest of the world? WW2 went a lot worse, the Japanese Empire is still around, Germany and the USSR aren't (the last one sort of is, but not really). Britain's collapsing rapidly, and you'll see that when I finish, I guess.
 
Cool-Eh inspired me to start working on this. The Americas are all that's finished. It's been twenty years (1960) since the land comprising the former United States was replaced with its 1700 counterparts. Canada and Mexico are the primary exploiters of the former COTUS.

I have to say that you did a fantastic job with the North American borders! I wouldn't have expected it, but the borders/colors really do make that portion of the map pop. Can't wait to see the final map.
 

Jcw3

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I have to say that you did a fantastic job with the North American borders! I wouldn't have expected it, but the borders/colors really do make that portion of the map pop. Can't wait to see the final map.

Thanks! For the most part, I tried to follow the 'borders' of this map for North American tribal civilizations, with the assumption of cultural migration, general inaccuracies, and being pretty forgiving to myself when it comes to being inaccurate. I'll happily admit that my map is most likely inaccurate for at least sixty percent of the tribes, but it's more meant to be a representation of where those tribes are in general.
 
Thanks! For the most part, I tried to follow the 'borders' of this map for North American tribal civilizations, with the assumption of cultural migration, general inaccuracies, and being pretty forgiving to myself when it comes to being inaccurate. I'll happily admit that my map is most likely inaccurate for at least sixty percent of the tribes, but it's more meant to be a representation of where those tribes are in general.

Oh wow! That's a fantastic find. Thanks for posting that map as a resource. And considering the lack of documented evidence for tribal borders, I'm pretty sure you're doing just fine. :)

With that said, how finalized (in-universe) are the interior borders? Is there still any sort of flux after 20 years?
 

Jcw3

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Oh wow! That's a fantastic find. Thanks for posting that map as a resource. And considering the lack of documented evidence for tribal borders, I'm pretty sure you're doing just fine. :)

With that said, how finalized (in-universe) are the interior borders? Is there still any sort of flux after 20 years?

Thank you.

When I said 'cultural migration', I meant both in how 1700 differs from when that map takes place, as well as migration post-ISOT.
 
Thank you.

When I said 'cultural migration', I meant both in how 1700 differs from when that map takes place, as well as migration post-ISOT.

You're welcome.

Still, I think I must have worded my question poorly. What I basically meant to ask was are there any conflicting territorial claims between all the new states in the old US or has everything been politically settled by 1960?
 

Jcw3

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You're welcome.

Still, I think I must have worded my question poorly. What I basically meant to ask was are there any conflicting territorial claims between all the new states in the old US or has everything been politically settled by 1960?

The territory in former-COTUS that were once British North America are split into four states. Canada's told them how much land they get, and how they aren't going to get much more. They've pretty much been sat at the kiddy table, which does annoy a pretty significant number of the population. Back at the grown ups table, Canada and Mexico agreed that, with regards to the former European territories, Canada would get the Anglo-French bits and Alaska, Mexico the former Spanish bits, and they'd figure out the rest later. It's about later right now.

If you're talking about native borders, those are more civilization-states than nation-states.
 

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A WIP of this map: http://dain-siegfried.deviantart.com/art/Breathing-In-That-Emerald-Air-572509568 detailing an actual POD this time.
Wherein Henri de Saint-Simon isn't stabbed in the back by his business partner in 1794 and goes on to find investors and collaborators in America and meets Joseph Evans, the brother of Oliver Evans, an industrial inventor credited with designing one of the first fully automated production lines. Saint-Simon jumps on this opportunity and brings the designs back to France where they are used by the regime mostly in the textile industry to create uniforms, though they see limited use in gun and cannon manufacturing. Nevertheless, Napoleon is still defeated and the French Monarchy restored.
However, unlike OTL, there is a thriving and growing industrial class straight off the bat that isn't particularly keen on this reactionary, conservative new government that enforces draconian regulations on their work. Eventually this comes to a head and the French monarchy with all it's Orleanist and Bonapartist conspirators is overthrown by a premature 'Industrialist' revolution in an alt-1848. I'll extrapolate the rest when the map is complete but that's the basic premise of it.

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Question marks are areas I'm not sure or happy with, such as Alaska; British, Russian or American? West Africa; just plain ugly. The Mashriq; should it be partitioned? Etc.
 
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