Wow. This is an update...
This is background on background. This is great.
Aside: it makes me wonder what Marcia Lucas would have been doing, where she'd have ended up, without George...
Brainbin said:
newcomer William Katt
Luke Skywalker ...Believe it or not!
Knowing the theme to "GAH", that's either really, really cool, or the worst pun I've heard in months.
I can't decide which.
Brainbin said:
Lucas sought to portray the character with a gee-whiz [ attitude
Somehow, that makes me think of Rick Jones... Go figure.
Brainbin said:
opposed to Harrison Ford... his greatness is simply muted
OK, I like him, but--"greatness"?
BTW, don't worry about him "shining through": he went from a pretty insignificant role in "The Conversation" to stardom OTL, & I see no reason he wouldn't TTL. (If butterflies keep him away from playing Jack Ryan, I'd be happy. Happier still if Alec Baldwin does it again. Or somebody else entirely, if Baldwin won't sign on for more than one: Ford's pretty old for it...
)
Kurt Russell is really interesting casting, tho. (Like him, too.
) I've never seen him to something light, but dramatic, myself, so no comment on him as Solo. (I don't see him doing O'Neil{l
}
per "SG-1".)
Brainbin said:
bluster that belied his internal insecurities
I never liked that about Solo OTL... IMO he'd have been much more interesting if he was as crooked as he was made out.
Brainbin said:
Two of the leading child actresses of the day, Jamie Lee Curtis and Jodie Foster, were both under consideration
Jodie? Seriously?
(I've loved her since "Little Girl Who Lived Down the Lane."
)
Brainbin said:
That's a "Wild Bunch" touch. Nicely done.
Brainbin said:
Luke had kept active through appearances in television as a character actor
As recently as appearances in "5-0" around this time OTL, IIRC.
Brainbin said:
For who? George?
Evidently undeserving.
Brainbin said:
Just in time for the Christmas season, Star Wars was playing all over the country
*ahem*
Brainbin said:
particularly the auteur theory...had been utterly refuted
Which is to say, "director as sole creator"?
Brainbin said:
Marcia Lucas received her second Academy Award for Best Film Editing in three years
BTW, I had no idea she played such a big role in how the story got told.
Thx for that.
e of pi said:
Total size depends on the annual build rate and average lifespan.
No, it depends on the size of the mission & the amount of territory you have to cover. Ships require support of all kinds: a single
Enterprise, operating alone, needs many supply ships to keep her running. In company, or in action, it takes many, many more....
I take no objection with your build rate. With your "survival" rate, assuming the ships aren't destroyed, I'd count 50yr too short, actually: these could conceivably be re-engined & retrofitted with new sensors & computers & such (think SLEP/FRAM) for a century or more--presuming they're built strong to begin with.
e of pi said:
if you edge the build rate higher than 14 per year, you have an issue--we know Starfleet is old enough to have fought the Romulan War "over a century" ago, so those 1700 ships before Enterprise must stretch back at least that far, which limits a maximum build rate of 17 per year if it had just begun when the war started
That depends IMO on which ships we're counting... Is that just the warships? Just the Fleet? Or is it counting all the *USNS/*Liberty ship/*Victory ship hulls, too? If it does, 1700 is absurdly small a number.
Even allowing a given *Starfleet Liberty probably carries, alone, as much freight as about half the total number built OTL.
And allowing
Enterprise, alone, has 1000x more firepower than 5th Fleet at Leyte.
e of pi said:
So Starfleet's a bit thin on the ground--but that matches canon evidence from the Enterprise routinely being out on its own, so...it might not make sense, but it fits the facts. In canon, that's sometimes the best you can get.
And that's because we almost never saw the routine missions (despite the "cavalry patrol" attitude "TOS" fell into
): we don't see the courier duty, the supply runs, the mundane stuff keeping a Fed, or Fleet, running.
e of pi said:
Also, for what I meant in my answer about "sequential numbers" I meant registry, not hull. Basically, when Starfleet is laying down a ship, or when one gets commissioned or something, they give it the next number. Last ship commissioned was the NCC-1701? Next one's the NCC-1702.
Yeah, that's really the only way it makes sense.
e of pi said:
The notion of Starfleet as the only space force of the Federation is a bit of a TNG/movie thing. There's some implications in the TOS canon that can be read to support each Federation member having a kind of "home fleet," which would stay pretty close to home or established spacelanes.
Oh, I agree entirely. That's why I say "coast guard": think of Starfleet as the "blue water" force, while planets have local "brown water" forces--which can be pressed into service at need, & which take up a lot of the routine (no hazard, boring) duty, including all the "merchant navy" stuff. (Fanon suggests merchant navy had a kind of British East Indiaman vibe: armed merchants, for defense against varieties of pirates. I'd go with that, myself.)
e of pi said:
I'm basically going to have these be adopted ITTL's fanon as explanation for some of why Starfleet seems spread so thin and so small for its role--it's not having to carry out some of the traditional roles of a Navy, such as protecting merchant traffic, or defending home ports, as those tasks fall to the "home fleets" or "defense forces" or whatever fandom settles on. In a war, of course, you'd see these used as a sort of reserve, which could increase Starfleet's size to maybe twice its existing size, or something like that.
That's pretty much my understanding, too, & I have no problem with it. Which is problematic for large registry numbers...
Tho the obvious question is, what happens when new members join & already have "blue water" ships? Given we accept "Enterprise" as TTL canon, & only warp-capable species are admitted to begin with.
e of pi said:
Because color TV is boss, and they wanted to make sure you felt you were getting your money's worth for buying one, basically.
You ought to work for NBC.