I will never cease to be floored and amazed by the
incredible response to this timeline. Exactly eleven months ago today, I posted a quirky little plot-bunny of an idea I had about a fun alternate pop-culture scenario, and today it has achieved popularity on par with some of my very wildest dreams (for like That Wacky Redhead, I dream big dreams - and you should, too). This thread now has over
250,000 views, and all of
you are entirely responsible for it. Thank you
all so very much. Your continuing support has encouraged me and lifted my spirits throughout this almost-year, and I hope that you'll all remain aboard as we roll on ahead -
and all on account of That Wacky Redhead!
In celebration of this milestone, I've also changed my user subtitle - thanks to
Thande for the inspiration, and to
e of pi for the encouragement.
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And now, to follow up with some celebratory responses!
Fair enough; it just seemed odd that a discussion of one of the breakout hits of the TV season would mention the names of only one of the actors. Versimilitude might suggest made-up names with a footnote that these are not OTL actors.
You're absolutely right - and considering this milestone, I felt that you all deserved nothing less than being given a proper list of names - real ones, held by real actors. I hope you like my casting choices! You can see them by revisiting
the update in question, or you can keep reading, as I will announce each of them in turn:
As Janice (the character analogous to "Chrissy" IOTL, and "Jo" in
Man About the House), I have cast Susan Anton, one of the many late-1970s beauty queens who was famous for nothing in particular (beyond her looks). This is where the prestige of Desilu's involvement in the series proved fruitful, as it was able to attract a "star" of her "calibre", so to speak (Somers was a complete unknown at the time IOTL, and Silverman has often claimed that her casting was a
big risk).
As Chrissy (analogous to "Janet" IOTL, and, of course, "Chrissy" in
Man About the House), I chose Pam Dawber. A couple of years down the line IOTL, she was cast as one of the
ultimate straight-men in sitcom history: Mindy in
Mork & Mindy, opposite Robin Williams, in the greatest sitcom-as-career-breakthrough until Bruce Willis in
Moonlighting.
And as Mrs. Roper, I've cast Betty Garrett, known at about this time IOTL as Irene Lorenzo, the blue-collar, bread-winning, liberated Catholic woman who lived next-door to the Bunkers (with her docile, homemaker husband Frank) in
All in the Family from 1973 to 1975 (she would not play such a role in
Those Were the Days ITTL).
And
Mr. Roper? Well...
This is unfortunate. Norman Fell fit the role so well.
And as you can see, I agreed with you! I decided to flip-flop and cast Fell in his iconic OTL role, and
not usurp him in favour of Don Knotts ITTL.
e_wraith said:
You overestimate the power of incriminating photos. The number of chances Clooney has had can be explained by nothing less than dark, dark magic. I suspect certain contracts were signed in blood, human sacrifice, etc, etc. To be fair, I am sure he's not the first star to take this path to fame and fortune. But still, Return of the Killer Tomatoes was his first (or close to first) foray into movies... How does one recover from that without serious help from diabolical forces?
Or, for that matter, from being a regular on
The Facts of Life for
two seasons. I've certainly heard
worse explanations...
Okay, I have to ask: what's with the Clooney hate? As far as I can tell, he was only god-awful in one role (Batman & Robin, obviously) -- and he was far from the worst offender in that turd. (Schwarzenegger was a few billion times worse, for example, and nobody really seems to hold it against him.) And I guess the "Sexiest Man Alive" thing is annoying, too, but I'd rather it go to Clooney than to, oh, say, Hugh Grant.
So what else is there? He was, IMO, appropriately over-the-top in the remake of Oceans Eleven; he was excellent in Syriana, good in O Brother, Where Art Thou and obviously good-enough-to-be-in-movies while on ER. (I can't really comment on the show, since I never watched it.)
I haven't seen Burn After Reading or The Men Who Stare At Goats, but they looked okay from the trailers. Didn't see The Perfect Storm and don't intend to, but I find it hard to believe someone would form any strong opinions about that film one way or the other. Oh, and the Oceans sequels suck, obviously, but that doesn't strike me as Clooney's fault.
So what gives??
I can't say I'm surprised that someone would rush to his defence, because it's not the first time that's happened on this thread. Not to put too fine a point on it, but people
are allowed to dislike the Great and Powerful Clooney on account of personal taste, just as they are
any other public figure. Now, that said...
The crux of it is
Hype Backlash. He is not nearly as talented, handsome, or charismatic as the hive mind is insisting, and each time I witness such profuse overpraise being heaped upon him, it makes him go down
further in my estimation. Perhaps I might see the appeal if I weren't constantly being told how
amazing he is (see also: a certain cult writer of genre shows, starting in the late 1990s, who is supposedly The Greatest Writer In The History Of Creation And All His Works Are Sacred And Beyond Reproach.
Seriously, you guys -
no, he isn't). Sexiest Man Alive really doesn't bother me, actually (have you
seen some of the
other winners?), but "
the last movie star"? Are you
kidding me? The man who can't even
open a movie unless he's surrounded by one of the most star-studded ensemble casts in Hollywood history?
Dream on, Hype Machine. (Now, Will Smith -
there's "the last movie star". Even if you don't like him, you
can't argue with
his grosses.) I've seen him in some of the things he'd rather Hollywood forget -
The Facts of Life,
Roseanne,
The Golden Girls... you know, all those years he was toiling away, somehow being given chance after chance? Mediocre or worse in
every last one of them. And whether or not he deserved an Oscar for
Syriana (I can't say - I haven't seen it) - he didn't
win for that reason. He won because he is Clooney and he was too popular
not to (seriously,
that was the argument I saw time and time again that year). And - okay, I'm being petty here, but still - that cocksure smirk of his. So off-putting.
Also: why are his defenders so eager to absolve him of his failures? He
was terrible in
Batman & Robin - no ifs, ands, or buts! He should
own that! But no, he gets to joke about it - "Oh, I played him gay", he says to Baba Wawa. No, Clooney, you played him
poorly. Don't try to save your performance with any of that cynical, post-modern tripe
now. And yes, he
was worse than Schwarzenegger,
who knew exactly what kind of movie he was in and acted accordingly. And the icing on the cake...
Personally, I think he's kind of too much of a self-righteous pretentious douche. For as suave as everyone likes to say he is, his making fun of Charlton Heston's Alzheimer's for political reasons was despicable.
At the end of the day, this is my
real problem with him. I've seen very little to indicate that I would like him
at all if I knew him personally - and
plenty of evidence to the contrary (leaving political opinions aside - after all, most of us
do have friends who vote differently from us - his attack on Heston
was deplorable).
But, as with
that cult TV writer, and
that modern OTL spinoff of
Star Trek, I realize that I'm in the minority on the matter. No hard feelings to you fans of his