Thank you, everyone, for your replies to my latest update! They have been enough to bring me to page one of the forum, if you were to sort by replies! I literally could not have done that without you. What also gratifies me is that I've been attracting a greater diversity of commenters as of late, which certainly makes it harder to please all of you at once, but at least I'll never be wanting for your opinions (For the record, for any archivists reading this later on, the "magic number" of replies to get to page one was 967).
And on that note, welcome to page 50 of the thread!
I hope to have the next update ready for you... tomorrow! In honour of the timeline's six-month anniversary. So until then!
And on that note, welcome to page 50 of the thread!
What an intriguing question. But first let's see how long the Third Doctor's tenure will last, shall we?Any possibility of a Fourth Doctor/Questor crossover?
Thank you. It's just one milestone after another for me lately. I hope it will lastCongrats!
Universal was exactly what I had in mind when I talked about the guided tours. And though that backlot, too, has a long and storied history, it is primarily remembered today for Back to the Future, perhaps one of the best-ever uses of any backlot in any film. But don't get me started, because I can gush about that movie forever. (Prior to BttF, the backlot was known as Mockingbird Square, as in To Kill a Mockingbird). With regards to Desilu Forty Acres ITTL, the same thing will happen, at least in the 1970s. Many building facades will primarily be known for their roles in Star Trek, perhaps with performers reenacting famous scenes from the various episodes in which they are featured.Glen said:Ooh, have Desilu pull a Universal!
Not necessarily. One might argue that I would be more likely to go out of my way not to cast them, so as to avoid making TTL look too convergent with OTL.Glen said:Of course, as we have Telly Savalas ans Kojack then it makes Tom and Lis look better for Doctor Who.
Shatner actually appeared in two episodes of The Twilight Zone. Of course I know which one you're talking about, but just FYI. That is actually possible, considering that it was arguably his most famous role prior to Star Trek, and I've no doubt that Henson and co. would relish the opportunity to create a "gremlin" character for the sketch. As for rekindled interest in Shatner? Well, we all know it happened IOTL, but the conditions that resulted in his miraculous recovery might not be so easily replicable ITTL.Glen said:I look forward to the Shatner guest appearance on this Muppet Show - maybe also a parody of his Twilight Zone episode. Maybe the appearance can rekindle some interest in Shatner.
Maybe. I only knew about the Mustang because I was thinking about aspects of a 1950s cultural revival and realized that, ITTL as IOTL, the Oil Crisis would have stunted a full-blown restoration of interest in 1950s car culture, for entirely pragmatic reasons. Also, cars are too "technical" a subject. It took two consultants to write a reasonably detailed post on the space program ITTL, I would need at least one to talk about the automotive industry in any depth.Glen said:You should do a car one!
As it happens, the architect of the NBC revival is a name that's been mentioned a great many times ITTL.Glen said:Have to look that up some more.
Sadly not. Pickfair, for example. The classic Silent Age estate of Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Pickford. It was kept in good repair for seven decades before it was cavalierly demolished in 1990 by... Pia Zadora (What an all-around winner she is. I can see why you're such a big fan of hers )Hollywood has absolutely no sense of history.
I'll be discussing the manufacturing sector in general in an upcoming post, and how it is doing relative to OTL in the years leading up to the Oil Crisis.phx1138 said:The "Big 3" are also likely to get bitten by the Oil Shock, as OTL, since the management in place hasn't changed in the main. (I'd have to look at any changes to say for sure.)
I obviously won't answer your question directly, but please note that NBC is doing considerably better at this point ITTL than it was IOTL, and we'll have to see if that trend continues. Also worth noting, of course, is that if NBC did collapse, a new third network would almost certainly rise out of its ashes, as the non-O&O affiliates would simply re-affiliate to that network (and the O&O stations would be liquidated, and purchased outright by the new network).phx1138 said:So you won't be doing it, then? (Hmm, only 2 TV networks in '81 will drastically reduce the number of shows.... Get your requests in early.)
I essentially see Linda Johnson as Polly Sherman played straight and surrounded by genuinely competent people.I wonder if the character of Linda Johnson being crafted for the American market might already have some of the feminist characteristics that IOTL were first introduced with Sarah-Jane. That might make the character of Sarah-Jane less distinctive ITTL.
I have discovered the likeliest source of the earliest Star Trek parody: unsurprisingly, it's The Carol Burnett Show, in which Leonard Nimoy made a guest appearance as Mr. Spock. Having not seen the episode in question (and it isn't even available on YouTube, sadly), I'm uncertain as to the context of this appearance, but it aired on December 4, 1967, fifteen months after Star Trek premiered, predating even the mainstream success of the series ITTL.NCW8 said:After a bit of research, it seems that the first Dr Who spoof was broadcast in Dec 1963 on Michael Bentine's It's a Square World. That's just a couple of weeks after the series was first broadcast. Interestingly, Bentine was one of the actors cosidered to play the fourth doctor.
I like most of your choices, but I have to take umbrage with these two. Again, very few people will remember Janice. I get that you cast her in that role because of the pun on her name, but I think Martine is far likelier to get the "third woman" part in any parody ITTL (if only because Mulhall is a bit too similar to Spock). As for Animal, Klingons ITTL are more devious and duplicitous than they are animalistic. You may be letting their reputation from later OTL incarnations colour your impression of themMy Revised Choices for the Muppet Star Trek parody:
Janice Rand: Janice
A Klingon: Animal
Thank you. One of the oldest rules of show-business is always leave the audience wanting moreAnother finely crafted Update. I especially like the 'Teasers' you work in.
Good to hear. Be forewarned, however, that it may take us quite some time to get there!I can't wait to see the anti-nuclear aspect of popular culture that you promised for later in the decade.
You seem to have started a discussion on this topic, so I'll address it here and now. Spielberg would not adapt Schindler's List (the source novel for which was not written until 1982 IOTL - but let's assume that Poldek Pfefferberg convinces someone else to write about Schindler, in which case the resulting material could be considerably different in presentation or emphasis) in the 1970s or early 1980s, for two reasons: first, he would not consider himself sufficiently experienced for the task, and secondly, he wouldn't want to make a "heavy" picture in that era; he wanted to make entertaining movies. This changed in the mid-1980s for two reasons IOTL: the award snubs for Raiders and then E.T. convincing him that he would never be taken seriously as a legitimate filmmaker unless he tackled more "challenging" subject matter, and the turmoil in his personal life.pbaustin2 said:About Spielberg, I'd love to see a 1970s version of Schindler's List - although they wouldn't be able to film it in the 1970s People's Republic of Poland.
Thank you very much. I don't have any objections to the length of your response as long as you went to the trouble of making oneEnjoying the updates and looking forward to the next.
Apologies for the brief response but most people doing the longer responses for me
Daniel Craig will be 18 years old in 1986. Are you suggesting him as Billington's replacement, assuming that the latter lasts for all seven films?Never been a fan of Bond, especially, & the wild stories, even less so. It appears I'd have liked this one better than OTL's. Until (unless) you get to Craig, tho...
Queen was definitely one of the ideas of which I am proudest in this update. And they're certainly going to make a bigger impact right away. (For example, later in 1974, they'll release "Killer Queen" - or something very similar - and score another UK #1 and US Top 10 hit).phx1138 said:That said, I do, as always, like the background detail. (Lavish research...) And Queen on a Bond soundtrack? Nice touch. Do you see this affecting the band's future much?
On the contrary. Tough economic times tend to result in an increased desire for escapist entertainment. (Yes, this is part of the reason why Moonraker did so well ITTL.)phx1138 said:I also find myself wondering if the economy doesn't mean future Bond films aren't less lavish & absurd, compared to OTL. (I'd like them better.)
Queen is definitely going to stick closer to their progressive roots ITTL, though how much this holds true will depend on the writer. May would probably be the proggiest of the four, given that the other three have their own genres anyway (Taylor had rock-and-roll, Deacon had funk, and Mercury simply refused to be pinned down); and since he wrote "39", there you have it. "Moonraker" will be the lead-off single to Sheer Heart Attack, and *"Killer Queen" will follow, with both topping the British charts.It sounds like Seven Seas of Rhye will still be released then, but Moonraker is going to be the bands big breakthrough song rather than Bohemian Rhapsody. I wonder if 39 is going to be recorded with a more prog rock feel to it ITTL.
Well, I was asked to discuss the anti-nuclear movement. No request was made either way about the pro-nuclear movement, which will also play a part ITTL.First, I wonder how that would affect Kraftwerk. Incidentally, up until 1978, I think, Doctor Who was permitted to film several scenes at Nuclear Reactors, with the last one in question being "The Pirate Planet".
This is an excellent point. And if Poland (along with, presumably, other Warsaw Pact states) is seeking greater cultural autonomy, and is being permitted to do so by Brezhnev, then I see no reason why greater cooperation in film production would not come to pass. However, I don't think that *Schindler's List would be one of those projects.In this timeline where Western and Eastern Blocks aren't so hostile (no [verboten]) and they have common enemy in China there would be even more chance for cooperation. Especially in the field of cinematography.
Thank you very much, Mefisto, and welcome aboard! I'm glad you like my timeline for one of the main reasons that I started writing it!Mefisto said:BTW I wanted to congratulate Brainbin for very interesting and educational timeline. It's really good to be able to read of something other than wars or politics.
Patience, grasshopper. Besides, I was strongly implying that it would be Doctor Who, not PythonAww! I thought it was going to be Monty Python!
Thank you very much for the compliment, Glen, though there are many more updates that I myself like better than this one. But to each his ownI think the Moonraker update may be the best of your already wonderful set of posts for this timeline.
I don't know if I would call it great. Relative to previous Bond films I would put it somewhere between above-average and good.Glen said:I love how you have made Moonraker a great Bond work.
Thank you again! And you should see what changes I have in store based on this updateGlen said:The detail and interweaving of changes in this timeline into this update is masterful.
They certainly provided the soundtrack to enough movies IOTL - I figured I would give them a head start.Glen said:Of course the best part is how you have brought in Queen!
And if you find a way to travel to alternate realities, be sure to bring me along!Glen said:I really want to see this movie!!!
That is a fine question, and much of it will be answered in due time.Glen said:On a more critiquing note, can you explain more how the tax exile thing changed ITTL?
Welcome aboard, MaskedPickle! Kubrick was very much the Hamlet of his day, considering how little output he managed after 2001 (a mere five films in more than 30 years!)Kubrick actually had his own project of a Holocaust movie, The Aryan Papers, which he left to Spielberg out of respect.
Excellent question! How about Christopher Lee? The timing is about right. And it's one more point in favour of Glen calling it a great filmMaskedPickle said:By the way, who played Hugo Drax in this movie?
The clout, the motivation, or the ambition, as I mentioned before.I doubt Spielberg would have the clout to get Schindler's List or an equivalent produced in the 1970's.
Yes, and as noted, Kubrick did indeed toy with the idea for what was, even by his standards, quite some time (almost two decades).vultan said:It would have to be a more established, big-name director. I'd suggest Kubrick, but since I'm lobbying Brainbin to have him helm another project...
Thank you very much, vultan. As to whether or not it might revive the fortunes of science-fiction... there's only one way to find out!vultan said:Anyway, about the update: great stuff, and nice to see another science fiction film do well at the box office well after the Moonshot Lunacy has passed. Could this be the beginning of a trend? I wonder if sci-fi would suffer from a too-prolonged fad, but you never know...
I hope to have the next update ready for you... tomorrow! In honour of the timeline's six-month anniversary. So until then!