Glen
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And in one fell swoop you exceed the sum of all my posts on this board
Ah, Falastur, have you ever looked at my posting stats before? You shouldn't feel bad, nor be surprised.
And in one fell swoop you exceed the sum of all my posts on this board
Not sure about this.The ending of slavery will remove the main power-base of the planters and even more so if those [probably the vast bulk] who were active in the rebellion a) no longer get compensation for the freeing of their slaves and b) possibly even see some of the land parceled off for the free blacks.
Very good tl,
I wonder about the long term demographics of the BSA, I'm guessing that most immigrants are from the British Isles,
but what are the attitudes to non-Anglo European migration in both the Alt USA and the BSA.
Also Australia, as Britain still has a place to dump her convicts the impetus for the First Fleet and colonisation is gone. So who is going to get it?
Not sure about this.
OTL the South went Bankrupt with the Canal Companies Collaspe [1830's], almost came back pre War , and was Bankrupt again after the war.
But by the 1880's-90's The Cotton Barons, were wealthier than ever before, despite having most of their plantations split up.
ITTL the war was sooner and less destructive. I see the development of the Share-cropper Institution, And Boom times for the Cotton Industry, and the Planter Class.
The ending of slavery will remove the main power-base of the planters and even more so if those [probably the vast bulk] who were active in the rebellion a) no longer get compensation for the freeing of their slaves and b) possibly even see some of the land parceled off for the free blacks.
Sorry I didn't make it clearer, I agree that a lot of Rebel Plantations and Business will be going under the hammer. Probably most being split up in the process.Not sure about this.
OTL the South went Bankrupt with the Canal Companies Collaspe [1830's], almost came back pre War , and was Bankrupt again after the war.
But by the 1880's-90's The Cotton Barons, were wealthier than ever before, despite having most of their plantations split up.
ITTL the war was sooner and less destructive. I see the development of the Share-cropper Institution, And Boom times for the Cotton Industry, and the Planter Class.
Glen,
Did you miss my reply yesterday? You're generally excellent about responding to each one, but I figure it might have gotten hidden at the bottom of your megapost.
I can't help but wonder what's going to happen in regards to the freedmen and the overall relations between the races. I see two possibilities.
On one hand, it's possible racial tensions will be lower than they were in OTL's American South. There have been arguments that white supremacy developed as a rationale because of the liberal ideals of the U.S. constitution.
There was of course widespread belief in black inferiority before that, but that wasn't needed to excuse slavery, as "might makes right" was good enough. Thus, the collapse of slavery, outside of for wealthy landowners, might not mean that much to the populace. There would still be segregation for quite some time of course, but the South might escape lynch mobs and a quasi-Klan organization.
On the other hand, Britain will favor blacks, at least initially, in the postwar period, which could build resentments. This could make the settlement of the West quite interesting. I could see a situation where California and New Mexico are expressly set up by the British as places for Black settlement to relieve racial tensions in the East. On the other hand, I could see the descendants of the slaveholders essentially going on a "great trek" to escape British rule, leaving the seaboard and the gulf provinces largely for blacks. A Quasi-Afrikaner ethnic group arising in the West would be very interesting.
Not sure about this.
OTL the South went Bankrupt with the Canal Companies Collaspe [1830's], almost came back pre War , and was Bankrupt again after the war.
But by the 1880's-90's The Cotton Barons, were wealthier than ever before, despite having most of their plantations split up.
ITTL the war was sooner and less destructive. I see the development of the Share-cropper Institution, And Boom times for the Cotton Industry, and the Planter Class.
Despite most people perceptions early Australia was not dominated by convicts, there were always more free settlers than convicts in OTL.
However without substantial free settler migration then that isn't going to be true causing some serious butterflies, not least a proportionally much bigger Catholic Irish population.
Glen - you have put together a very enjoyable TL,
and was happy to see you quickly get through with the war/rebellion. From a personal preference, I generally skip over TLs that get into the minutiae of battles and army movements, etc. (while I don't begrudge those folks that are into that sort of thing). But I like to see the focus be on the political, social, demographic, cultural and technological ramifications brought about by your divergent history.
What is truly fascinating about your TL is that you have created a believable alternate world for OTL South that is similar enough to our own that we recognize it, but different enough to be moving along on a distinct plane.
In both OTL and in TTL, slavery was the overarching theme that put both worlds on a course that would eventually lead to war. But here, that war occurred 20 plus years earlier and slavery has ended 20 plus years sooner (Hallelujah). Now in TTL, the South has the 1840s and 1850s in which to chart a course far different than it did in OTL. I am really looking forward to seeing all the changes upcoming.
With more limited access to the North and factoring in shipping costs to Blighty I suspect that the South is somewhat more industrialised, this being true I would think that a lot of the Wealth of the Cotton boom would end up not in recreating the rural plantocracy but would flood into the Urban industrial barons hands. Though as in a OTL Britain they would probably spend their new found wealth on Country estates.
The flag of the United States of America grew after the inclusion of Newfoundland, Vermont, and Kentucky as states in the Union. The stripes were increased from 12 to 15, as were the stars. It was this flag that flew before the American forces as they fought the French in the War of 1804.
interesting a flag that increases stripes along with stars. Though i'm not sure that they will be able to keep doing that for each new state that comes in.