Just one little thought about if the USA and the Confederation of Southern America split California. I cannot see Southern California developing the way it did. By the 1900's LA with its booming population was putting pressure on its own water supply thus needing to build an aqueduct to the Sierra Nevada with by the looks of the map only a small part of it lie in Confederation claims. Without the aqueduct Southern California would be dry and probably would not be as populous or economically as powerful as it could be. This provided I am correct in that the Sierra Nevada is the only source of water that can be found.
Glen
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What DQ says. Here the Russians are shunted to Sakhalin essentially, well before OTL's events.
That's a very interesting question, and certainly a possibility we ought to look into as the timeline progresses. Of course, there are likely to be others equally interested....
Glen
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Blondness noted.
Note that Carleton ITTL also recommended the creation of the United Empire Loyalist honorific, and there are Southern families who have carried it on, especially those families who moved South due to their loyalty. There will be many who remain loyalist families ITTL (note the list of factions). I think you will see the U.E. be quite important to the doubly loyal, no matter what the outcome....
BTW, TTL's U.E. coronet uses palm fronds instead of maple leaves.
BTW, TTL's U.E. coronet uses palm fronds instead of maple leaves.
I may be missing something painfully obvious which will haunt me for ages, but...why palm fronds?
Edit: No, don't answer that. I worked it out the second I pressed submit
Glen
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The Quintanistas of Southern Mexico began their great push north in 1835. The Conservative Centralists in Mexico City found themselves in desperate straits. While the British had taken an officially neutral posture, the Quintanistas were in possession of all the major routes from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and the British as well as the Americans clearly wished to keep access to those routes. Thus the Conservatives were forced to make a deal with the devil in the form of Andrew Jackson of Texas. With the Texans already in California and New Mexico, and nothing to spare for the north, the Centralist Conservatives agreed to allow the Texan border to creep much further south than had ever been acknowledged before, as well as re-affirming the Texan claims to the Californias and New Mexico. Not only did this allow the Centralist Conservatives to concentrate on their existential battle for survival in the south, it also guaranteed loans and arms from Texas. Of course, in just a few months later, Texas would become much more distracted by events to the east.
Glen
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I think you are correct, but the water is flowing into the part of Southern California claimed, and I imagine they could still swing it just so long as the US doesn't divert the water first. Anyone have a good reference on this?
Glen
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I may be missing something painfully obvious which will haunt me for ages, but...why palm fronds?
Edit: No, don't answer that. I worked it out the second I pressed submit
You two are pretty funny!
Good map, but I doubt that the USA has any presence so far North at this point. IOTL, they had to get to Alaska by ship for the longest time--I think even up to WWII.
The Quintanistas of Southern Mexico began their great push north in 1835. The Conservative Centralists in Mexico City found themselves in desperate straits. While the British had taken an officially neutral posture, the Quintanistas were in possession of all the major routes from the Atlantic to the Pacific, and the British as well as the Americans clearly wished to keep access to those routes. Thus the Conservatives were forced to make a deal with the devil in the form of Andrew Jackson of Texas. With the Texans already in California and New Mexico, and nothing to spare for the north, the Centralist Conservatives agreed to allow the Texan border to creep much further south than had ever been acknowledged before, as well as re-affirming the Texan claims to the Californias and New Mexico. Not only did this allow the Centralist Conservatives to concentrate on their existential battle for survival in the south, it also guaranteed loans and arms from Texas. Of course, in just a few months later, Texas would become much more distracted by events to the east.
Glen
Sounds like Texas could face a serious problem of over-stretch. How are they managing to provide much in the way of funds/arms to the Mexican conservatives with already being in a major war with Britain?
Steve
I'd assume sold to Georgia like OTL for simple convenience.
Glen, keep the TL up. It's fantastic.
May I ask if Quebec's demographics are different being part of a greater Anglophone state in TTL?
Glen, keep the TL up. It's fantastic.
May I ask if Quebec's demographics are different being part of a greater Anglophone state in TTL?
Glen
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Thank you so much! It is always gratifying to hear from my subscribers!! Helps keep the will to write going!!!
And yes, I use too many exclamation marks.
Glen
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You're world map is very similiar to my own. I would note that Texas actually isn't extending past the Nueces really ITTL. I agree with what was said somewhere else that the US isn't really that far in Alaska yet, except for the coast.