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Yeah, he has made some pretty cool maps... I don't really like the one with cities marked on it though... makes it look quite cluttered. I remember back before Symphony D came around, and they used the maps made by Jason -- I liked that style better for placing cities, but maybe that's just me.

The Jason map had absolutely horribly placed coastlines and rivers and annoyingly thick borders and could only really be used if you were making up the cities de novo and cared not a whit for geographical accuracy (*cough* EQ).
 

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I agree... I've enjoyed making maps for a really long time and I've always favored larger ones over the smaller ones. I guess because you can fit a lot more details in. Especially good for the messy days of Renaissance and Baroque Europe -- Italy and Germany have never looked quite as nice.

Is your map supposed to be OTL 1750? Because if so you shouldn't have British Guiana.
 
The Jason map had absolutely horribly placed coastlines and rivers and annoyingly thick borders and could only really be used if you were making up the cities de novo and cared not a whit for geographical accuracy (*cough* EQ).

True, but it always hold a special place in my heart, it's what I used when I first got into mapping. Oddly enough, though, I never really used it more than a couple times... I can't draw borders to save my life, so I basically rely on maps with modern borders and change them as I need them. So Symphony's map, and many others are a savior in that aspect.

I preferred how cities were marked actually. Symphony started using little squares, while the old map used circles. Maybe it's just me, but all those little squares made my head spin. I prefer the circles with rings (white capital, red economic center) above anything else, haha.
 
Is your map supposed to be OTL 1750? Because if so you shouldn't have British Guiana.

Yes, OTL. Based off the 1750 map in the OTL map thread.
Really? I saw it as simply Dutch and French in the original and I thought it was wrong, and I began to research it, looking at the various Guiana histories, and I swear I read that the English settled the region at some point in the 17th century. But looking at the British Guiana article on wikipedia (not exactly the best source, but...) and apparently the it is Dutch. Geez. The British like to take some really silly places from their defeated enemies.
 
The next part of my Weimar Survival map series:

Some not so unremarkable groups of rock stars want to tour at mostly unremarkable Pomeranian coastal towns during summer holidays. They need wallpapers, but really this one? Seems like a headbirth of an advertising agency...


PS: Of course, I know OTL Hurricane is a one-site festival, but as you know, I don't care...

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It is 1400, and the (mostly Space-Filling Empire-positive) butterflies of Charlemagne's slightly greater successes in Iberia have spread as far as Indonesia.
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Yes, OTL. Based off the 1750 map in the OTL map thread.
Really? I saw it as simply Dutch and French in the original and I thought it was wrong, and I began to research it, looking at the various Guiana histories, and I swear I read that the English settled the region at some point in the 17th century. But looking at the British Guiana article on wikipedia (not exactly the best source, but...) and apparently the it is Dutch. Geez. The British like to take some really silly places from their defeated enemies.

England did indeed settle Suriname as 'Willoughbyland' and Paramaribo as 'Fort Willoughby' in the 1650s or so, but the Dutchman Abraham Crimson/Crijnssens conquered Fort Willoughby and called it 'Fort Zeelandia', and it was eventually traded off for good by the British for New York.

From there, the Dutch moved into Berbice, Essequibo, and Demarara...only for THOSE three colonies to be conquered by Britain at the end of the Napoleonic Wars and combined into British Guiana/Guyana.

So, the British originally settled Suriname but that got conquered by the Netherlands, and the Netherlands originally settled Guyana but it got conquered by Britain. :D
 
England did indeed settle Suriname as 'Willoughbyland' and Paramaribo as 'Fort Willoughby' in the 1650s or so, but the Dutchman Abraham Crimson/Crijnssens conquered Fort Willoughby and called it 'Fort Zeelandia', and it was eventually traded off for good by the British for New York.

From there, the Dutch moved into Berbice, Essequibo, and Demarara...only for THOSE three colonies to be conquered by Britain at the end of the Napoleonic Wars and combined into British Guiana/Guyana.

So, the British originally settled Suriname but that got conquered by the Netherlands, and the Netherlands originally settled Guyana but it got conquered by Britain. :D

And all for the better as well, noone would have taken us seriously with a colony called Willoughbyland.
 
The America's from a Future history project I'm doing (along with two other projects), which was inspired by a thread in Future History, though not meant to be related to it.


Sometime in 2014 America is thrown into a Civil War, following the hyperpolarization of society and the assassination of President Obama,
right when the economy started picking up more.

As a result America's economy collapsed (as did most of the world's as a result) and lost its superpower status.

In Mexico a three-sided Civil War raged between organized crime groups, the government and several revolutionary groups.

Guatemala fell into a state of war in 2019 between the ill-equipped government and Southern cartels.

By 2023 the Civil War in Guatemala was over following a UN intervention. The American Civil War officially ended in 2024 and the Mexican Civil War ended in 2026.

As a result of this, and the fact that none of the nations could really continue on by themselves very well the North American Community was
formed (spearheaded by Canada) in 2030, comprising Canada, the United States, Mexico and Guatemala.

Over the next thirty years political and economic integration continued so much that by 2060 a referendum was held leading to the four countries
joining in Union to form the United Federation of North America.
The UFNA is one of the world's superpowers and once again North America holds the status as the top dog.

South America got by pretty well, with the only major issue being a Civil War in Colombia in the 2020's.
Eventually the Union of South American Nations gave birth to the South American Confederation.
By the present time in the map their's serious talk about total unification of the continent into a single continental Federation.

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Umbric:
I do remember reading that. I'm not sure what lead me to make it British, but I tend to work on these at all hours of the night so who knows what I was thinking. But I fixed it. If there's any other glaring errors I find I'll reupload another version. Personally, I like the name Willoughbyland for a colony. :D

fortyseven:
Thank you. :) I may make some more historical maps, with that base map, but not for awhile... it takes a couple days for me to do a single map, given the size.
 
Another Alternate History travel Guides inspired map.

Holy Alliance – a world in which the democratic revolutions in British America and France were crushed and Czarist Russia dominates the world and extends to the Rhine. Some parts of Europe are outside their control (Switzerland is still neutral, and has nice hotels), but everyone, even the British, are very, very polite to the Czar.

The Czar rules Saxony, Prussia, and Sweden as well as the territories the OTL Russian Empire, along with Persia and much of the Balkans including Istanbul: is the recognized Holy Roman Emperor: and holds extensive colonial domains and puppet regimes in Africa, India, and the Pacific. The absolutist French, Austrian and Spanish monarchies are also close “little buddies” of the Czarist regime. Of course, Russian dominance had been greatly enhanced by their being first to develop an atomic weapon, in 1956 – and the Russians have made sure to maintain a monopoly. In a particularly egregious case of bullying, the present Czarina’s grandfather “restored” the unity of the Church, compelling the rejoining the Catholic and Orthodox churches. (Protestantism has been more of a problem, since there is no Protestant Pope to bully).

The Czarist Empire is a fairly nasty and autocratic place, in which torture is a normal part of police work (and master torturers are actually celebrities: many of them sign their work). It is considered a sign of weakness if the police don’t shoot protestors. A majority of Russian peasants are still serfs, although now the property of the Czar rather than individual nobles, and rented out to giant nobleman-owned agricultural combines. Hereditary nobility is the political norm. Women do not have the vote – but then, almost nobody does. Oddly, it’s a quite technologically advanced world, with a Russian colonization of Mars under way and human cloning recently perfected, in spite of the fact that most Russian peasants have a standard of living little better than OTL mid-1920s. Healthcare, however, is fairly modern: official policy is to encourage reproduction, to allow flooding border areas with Russians – OTL Manchuria, Mongolia, Tibet, Xianjing, central Asia, and the Baltic States all have solid Russian majorities. Art and architecture tend towards the elaborate and baroque: military uniforms are rather fabulous.

It’s not entirely an evil place - the Russian nobility is very racially tolerant, and willing to welcome wealthy Asians or non-Slav Europeans into their ranks, as long as they at least pretend to be Orthodox (and, of course, are male). Ethnic nationalism is considered a noxious idea, and “Russian” is a flexible enough concept to accommodate Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Germans, and even (non-Muslim) Turks and Tatars. Jews are second-class citizens, but a far more confident Czarist regime sees no reason to organize Pogroms. There is also a fair amount of noblesse oblige, and serious efforts are made to avoid famine, relieve victims of natural disasters, etc. (Admittedly, some of the methods involved aren’t very much welcomed by the “beneficiaries”, such as the habit of forcibly moving masses of peasants from overpopulated areas to the frontiers or to colonies far from the Rodina-mat. )

Not that the rest of the world is particularly pleasant. Britain still maintains at least the forms of parliamentary democracy, but censorship is fierce, property qualifications for the vote remain, and the numerous secret police ruthlessly persecute anything which looks like “socialism” among the working classes. (Marx and Engels have their intellectual equivalents in this world: they ended their careers dangling at the end of ropes or “shot while trying to escape”). Austria and Spain are worse, while in France the secret police, closely tied to their Russian counterparts, are considered generally more powerful than the rather easygoing French monarchs.

There is no US: the US revolution was crushed and its leaders hanged. Said colonies successfully revolted on the third try, though (round two had to so with slavery), while the British were busy being defeated by the Russians in the Persian War of 1922-1927, and had to be squashed again by a Russian-led coalition in the 1930s. (The Russians “generously” restored the area to the British).

The area of the OTL US is currently divided up between French (Quebec), Russian (Pacific NW and a number of east coast bases and enclaves), British direct rule (California –nabbed from the Spanish in the 19th century -, New England/Jersey/coastal NY area), Mexican/Spanish (the SW, Florida, Louisiana), the Principality of Pennsylvania (ruled by the British Heir Apparent, OTLs Prince of Wales) and two weak, corrupt English-speaking Dukedoms run by local aristocrats centered in the slave-holding (now serf-holding, if rather consistently black serfs) SE. A large part of the center of the continent is given over to Native American reservations: the Czars have often fancied themselves as the protectors of weak and primitive peoples.

Spanish America also followed a path of devolution, but it’s highly conservative elites were less revolt-prone, and so managed to get to where nowadays they are only very theoretically ruled from Spain, being divided into a number of Kingdoms run by a local aristocracy, while Brazil has become the tail that wags the Imperial dog. (Spain still directly rules some outlying areas – Texas, Cuba, and a few other bits). Over the last quarter century, the Americas have become increasingly economically independent of Europe, and don’t pay much attention to the latest rumblings from St. Petersburg: this Has Been Noted, but as long as the Americas remain aristocrat-dominated, the Czar probably won’t add to the huge complications already on his plate. (Religious terrorism, among those who violently disapprove of the re-unification of the Church, is on the rise again).

The Russians sensibly decided that swallowing China whole might be a bit much, so although the Czar rules Manchuria and Korea and Japan, China proper is still ruled by its own emperor, albeit a puppet kept on his throne by close to a million Czarist troops, and Russian missionaries walk carefully. What parts of Africa and Asia are not ruled by the Russians is ruled by the British, the French, and the Spaniards: the Netherlands, having failed to suppress the loud pro-democratic voices in their press and literature, and given refuge to various persons not approved of by the autocracies, ended up under a joint Austrian-Russian thumb, with their colonial possessions carved up. The various states making up the fragmented remnants of the former Ottoman Empire in Asia retain a sort of tenuous independence, as puppets of one power or another (although Russia has annexed Jerusalem and the surrounding area, even the Czar lacks the gall to establish a governor in the Holy Places of Islam).

The ideal of a pure aristocracy of birth ruling the world is more honored in the breach than in reality, since once a merchant or industrialist of lowly birth reaches a certain level of wealth, he is expected to make some princely contributions to the Czarist state and be granted a patent of nobility (if he does not, he can probably expect a visit from the secret police: being rich, powerful, and not a member of the nobility is a status that cannot be allowed for long – one way or another). In other countries things are even more slipshod – in the various principalities of English-speaking North America, the titles established by the conquerors are largely ignored, and the place is full of wealthy oligarchs who don’t even bother to conceal their lowly origin, while in England there is still an actual Parliament, although made (just) tolerable by the fact that it is for Wealthy People Only and is currently packed with regime loyalists.

Things are currently a bit unstable: the Czar and his two sons were blown to a fine pink mist by German nationalist terrorists (low on the Okhrana’s priority list up till then) and the Czarina’s position is shaky, especially given her reputation for liberal (say, OTL UK around 1815) thinking.

Bruce
 
It's not ASB.
If the US collapses so does most of the world.
Sadly rather true, so far. It's bizarre - no matter how horribly the American Domestic Economy may derail, we still function as a gigantic GDP\Floating Capital anchor for the rest of the world.
 
Another Alternate History travel Guides inspired map.

Holy Alliance – a world in which the democratic revolutions in British America and France were crushed and Czarist Russia dominates the world and extends to the Rhine. Some parts of Europe are outside their control (Switzerland is still neutral, and has nice hotels), but everyone, even the British, are very, very polite to the Czar.

The Czar rules Saxony, Prussia, and Sweden as well as the territories the OTL Russian Empire, along with Persia and much of the Balkans including Istanbul: is the recognized Holy Roman Emperor: and holds extensive colonial domains and puppet regimes in Africa, India, and the Pacific. The absolutist French, Austrian and Spanish monarchies are also close “little buddies” of the Czarist regime. Of course, Russian dominance had been greatly enhanced by their being first to develop an atomic weapon, in 1956 – and the Russians have made sure to maintain a monopoly. In a particularly egregious case of bullying, the present Czarina’s grandfather “restored” the unity of the Church, compelling the rejoining the Catholic and Orthodox churches. (Protestantism has been more of a problem, since there is no Protestant Pope to bully).

The Czarist Empire is a fairly nasty and autocratic place, in which torture is a normal part of police work (and master torturers are actually celebrities: many of them sign their work). It is considered a sign of weakness if the police don’t shoot protestors. A majority of Russian peasants are still serfs, although now the property of the Czar rather than individual nobles, and rented out to giant nobleman-owned agricultural combines. Hereditary nobility is the political norm. Women do not have the vote – but then, almost nobody does. Oddly, it’s a quite technologically advanced world, with a Russian colonization of Mars under way and human cloning recently perfected, in spite of the fact that most Russian peasants have a standard of living little better than OTL mid-1920s. Healthcare, however, is fairly modern: official policy is to encourage reproduction, to allow flooding border areas with Russians – OTL Manchuria, Mongolia, Tibet, Xianjing, central Asia, and the Baltic States all have solid Russian majorities. Art and architecture tend towards the elaborate and baroque: military uniforms are rather fabulous.

It’s not entirely an evil place - the Russian nobility is very racially tolerant, and willing to welcome wealthy Asians or non-Slav Europeans into their ranks, as long as they at least pretend to be Orthodox (and, of course, are male). Ethnic nationalism is considered a noxious idea, and “Russian” is a flexible enough concept to accommodate Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Germans, and even (non-Muslim) Turks and Tatars. Jews are second-class citizens, but a far more confident Czarist regime sees no reason to organize Pogroms. There is also a fair amount of noblesse oblige, and serious efforts are made to avoid famine, relieve victims of natural disasters, etc. (Admittedly, some of the methods involved aren’t very much welcomed by the “beneficiaries”, such as the habit of forcibly moving masses of peasants from overpopulated areas to the frontiers or to colonies far from the Rodina-mat. )

Not that the rest of the world is particularly pleasant. Britain still maintains at least the forms of parliamentary democracy, but censorship is fierce, property qualifications for the vote remain, and the numerous secret police ruthlessly persecute anything which looks like “socialism” among the working classes. (Marx and Engels have their intellectual equivalents in this world: they ended their careers dangling at the end of ropes or “shot while trying to escape”). Austria and Spain are worse, while in France the secret police, closely tied to their Russian counterparts, are considered generally more powerful than the rather easygoing French monarchs.

There is no US: the US revolution was crushed and its leaders hanged. Said colonies successfully revolted on the third try, though (round two had to so with slavery), while the British were busy being defeated by the Russians in the Persian War of 1922-1927, and had to be squashed again by a Russian-led coalition in the 1930s. (The Russians “generously” restored the area to the British).

The area of the OTL US is currently divided up between French (Quebec), Russian (Pacific NW and a number of east coast bases and enclaves), British direct rule (California –nabbed from the Spanish in the 19th century -, New England/Jersey/coastal NY area), Mexican/Spanish (the SW, Florida, Louisiana), the Principality of Pennsylvania (ruled by the British Heir Apparent, OTLs Prince of Wales) and two weak, corrupt English-speaking Dukedoms run by local aristocrats centered in the slave-holding (now serf-holding, if rather consistently black serfs) SE. A large part of the center of the continent is given over to Native American reservations: the Czars have often fancied themselves as the protectors of weak and primitive peoples.

Spanish America also followed a path of devolution, but it’s highly conservative elites were less revolt-prone, and so managed to get to where nowadays they are only very theoretically ruled from Spain, being divided into a number of Kingdoms run by a local aristocracy, while Brazil has become the tail that wags the Imperial dog. (Spain still directly rules some outlying areas – Texas, Cuba, and a few other bits). Over the last quarter century, the Americas have become increasingly economically independent of Europe, and don’t pay much attention to the latest rumblings from St. Petersburg: this Has Been Noted, but as long as the Americas remain aristocrat-dominated, the Czar probably won’t add to the huge complications already on his plate. (Religious terrorism, among those who violently disapprove of the re-unification of the Church, is on the rise again).

The Russians sensibly decided that swallowing China whole might be a bit much, so although the Czar rules Manchuria and Korea and Japan, China proper is still ruled by its own emperor, albeit a puppet kept on his throne by close to a million Czarist troops, and Russian missionaries walk carefully. What parts of Africa and Asia are not ruled by the Russians is ruled by the British, the French, and the Spaniards: the Netherlands, having failed to suppress the loud pro-democratic voices in their press and literature, and given refuge to various persons not approved of by the autocracies, ended up under a joint Austrian-Russian thumb, with their colonial possessions carved up. The various states making up the fragmented remnants of the former Ottoman Empire in Asia retain a sort of tenuous independence, as puppets of one power or another (although Russia has annexed Jerusalem and the surrounding area, even the Czar lacks the gall to establish a governor in the Holy Places of Islam).

The ideal of a pure aristocracy of birth ruling the world is more honored in the breach than in reality, since once a merchant or industrialist of lowly birth reaches a certain level of wealth, he is expected to make some princely contributions to the Czarist state and be granted a patent of nobility (if he does not, he can probably expect a visit from the secret police: being rich, powerful, and not a member of the nobility is a status that cannot be allowed for long – one way or another). In other countries things are even more slipshod – in the various principalities of English-speaking North America, the titles established by the conquerors are largely ignored, and the place is full of wealthy oligarchs who don’t even bother to conceal their lowly origin, while in England there is still an actual Parliament, although made (just) tolerable by the fact that it is for Wealthy People Only and is currently packed with regime loyalists.

Things are currently a bit unstable: the Czar and his two sons were blown to a fine pink mist by German nationalist terrorists (low on the Okhrana’s priority list up till then) and the Czarina’s position is shaky, especially given her reputation for liberal (say, OTL UK around 1815) thinking.

Bruce


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