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Old March 11th, 2008, 10:17 AM
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20th Century Khan - A Timeline!

I started a thread asking ideas for this TL but since it didn't generate much postage, I decided to just go ahead with the TL. The POD is that Grigory Seymonov, the Baron's superior before going to Mongolia dies in 1919, allowing the Baron to succeed him as Ataman. From there, he strengthens ties with the Japanese and becomes President of the Far Eastern Republic. Within the next few decades, he will grow immensely in power, eventually carving out a great empire that will stretch from Western Russia to Southern China. I'm calling the timeline; 20th Century Khan. Here it is;

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1919 - Ataman, Grigory Seymonov is shot dead on one of his raids on the Trans-Siberian Railway. His closest lieutenant, the Baron Roman Ungern von Sternberg, inherits the title "Ataman of the Transbaikal Host" and a small army of Cossacks and local tribesmen. With this, he becomes warlord of the Transbaikal region. He continues his army's raiding operations with monetary and military support from the Japanese.

1920 - The Far Eastern Republic is created as a result of the desire for a buffer state between Soviet Russia and Japan. Socialist, Alexander Krasnoshchyokov becomes its first president. Japanese troops continue to occupy Vladivostok. The Baron is approached by his Japanese benefactors and is "asked" to merge his small fiefdom into the FER, relinquish control over it and instead serve in the Republic's army. The Cossack Host and local tribal armies which he commanded also become part pf the FER's army, receiving the name, the "Savage Brigade" for their actions under their past two Atamans, the Baron and Seymonov.

Later that year, Admiral Kolchak flees his capital of Omsk under siege from the Reds and heads east, near the expanding borders of the FER whose military expansions are being led by the now Major General, von Sternberg. After being defeated in battle, he surrenders his army to the Baron and heads for the north of Irkutsk but is captured by pro-Soviet leftist forces upon getting there, after which he is put to a summary trial and executed by a Soviet firing squad. A detachment from the Red Army in pursuit of Kolchak engages instead with the Baron's forces. The two armies fight a short inconclusive skirmish that ends in ceasefire. The Baron continues his operations in expanding northward and westward, eventually capturing the Lake Baikal and the whole of Irkutsk for the FER.

1921 - The Baron's operations in expanding the Republic's borders earn him a promotion to General. He also has proved himself as one of the FER's most valuable officers but also as its most dangerous and unpredictable one. He earns the respect of the Army's lowly corporals but receives scorn and jealousy from the other high ranking officers. In June, The Merkulov brothers overthrow Krasnoshchyokov in a coup d'etat. He flees west to Soviet Russia. After a few days, the Baron enters the capital with his Army from Irkutsk and overthrows them in another coup de'tat. The Baron becomes the third president of the FER. He sends his most loyal lieutenant, Colonel Sepailoff to crush reactionary countercoups throughout the FER.

During the first few weeks of his presidency, several Jews are purged from the Army and are even executed. Rumors begin to circulate of the Japanese wanting to replace the Baron with someone less insane. In order to fight such a possibility, the Baron signs the Chita Agreement, a treaty that would allow for more Japanese (Kwantung) military presence in the FER and the opening of major Japanese naval bases in Vladivostok and land bases near the border with China.

1922 - The FER with help from the Kwantung Army whose newly stationed units allowed by the Chita Agreement arrived at the beginning of the year, the Baron launches an expedition to the North, to capture what is left of Eastern Siberia. He caprures a large chunk of the Yakutia. The Baron also signs an agreement with the Soviets that fixes the FER-Soviet border several miles east from the Omsk Oblast, ending the occasional border skirmishes.

In Mongolia, pro-Soviet Mongolian armies attack the capital, Urga but fail to defeat the Chinese armies stationed there. The Red Mongolian leader, Damdin Sukhbaatar is killed in the battle. This attack convinced the Baron of the need to take Mongolia for himself. This land had a special importance to the Baron for this was the heartland of the Mongol tribes he had befriended as a young officer in Siberia and the birthplace of Genghis Khan who he believed himself to be a reincarnation of. He draws up plans of a Mongolian invasion and sends them to General Shinobu Ono of the Kwantung Army. The Kwantung Army, then busy with operations in the north of China initially ignored the plan until General Ono and his staff revisited it. He replies with a letter informing the Baron that the General Staff of the Kwantung Army was "taking it into consideration". Another copy of the plan was sent to Tokyo where it was rejected by the Imperial Government but as the Kwantung Amy was largely independent of Tokyo, the plan would come into fruition.

In the Baron's plan, the Japanese army would not be directly involved in the invasion. It would be executed by the FER's army which would only need Japanese arms and funds instead of actual militray backing. He detailed a route for his forces to enter Mongolia through the Northeast and a plan for an effective siege of Urga. Also, part of the plan was a clever contingency in the event of a failed siege which involved creating the illusion of numerical supremacy. After the invasion, a Mongolian puppet state would be created and placed under the control of the Japanese. The reason this plan was attractive to the Kwantung General Staff was because a presence in Mongolia would mean easier and wider access to China in the event of war.

Meanwhile, the citizens of the FER found themselves more and more forced into the Baron's way of thinking. Buddhist Ethics suddenly became a subject in schools where children were required to memorize and recite the Eightfold Path. Statues of the Buddha, Genghis Khan and Atilla the Hun start popping up in public squares. Antisemitism became a state institution, garnering support from the radical White Russian factions of the FER's government. Antisemtic posters and billboards carrying vicious caricatures made their way to the streets of Vladivostok and Chita. Jews were being rounded up into ghettos. Some even managed to earn the sympathy of the Japanese soldiers stationed there. In one case, an old Jewess was dragged kicking and screaming into the Vladivostok Ghetto but was saved when a Japanese lieutenant intervened and told the lady to go back to her home. She was safe for that night but found herself in the Ghetto a few days later.

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Old March 11th, 2008, 10:25 AM
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Interesting

I know almost nothing about the far East of Russia during the civil war, so i won't attempt in depth analysis or scrutiny

All in all, i like, and would enjoy seeing this develop
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Old March 12th, 2008, 05:59 AM
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The OMB and the Invasion of Mongolia

1923 - As the Baron assembled his forces near the Mongolian border waiting for the Japanese go signal, an army of another kind assembled itself in the FER's cities. The dreaded O.M.B. or the Order of Military Buddhists began their first year of activity. The Baron's ideologically indoctrinated (and drugged) secret police started patrolling the streets of every city and town. There was a great difference in the way the OMB operated in the countryside and in the city. In the country, where they were less restrained in their actions, they rode together in packs terrorizing every village they come across, killing, plundering, burning and raping anything and everything they see. In the city, where their terror was more organized and orchestrated as they were always much closer to the "Monestaries" (which served as their local headquarters), they patrolled the streets both on foot and in gloomy black patrol cars baring their ominous insignia of a corrupted Dharma wheel, bloodred with sharp pointed ends and a skull in the middle. People started disappearing in the middle of the night. Jews, suspected "Bolshevik agents" and other innocent people were arrested and shot dead in public.

The O.M.B justified their random killings with what they called the "noble agency", a concept of the Baron's which he got from his unorthodox interpretations of Buddhist scripture. It states that "By slaying people, one does them a favor. If they were unable to protect themselves, it meant they were feeble and living under poor Karma. By dying in a state of innocence, they improved their position on the rungs of the cosmos.". It was this motivation that made the Baron and his followers kill with love except in the case of Jews.

This rampage and freedom that the OMB enjoyed however was shortlived. One night, on his way home, Alexander Narovtsky, head librarian of the Vladivostok Library (which now housed hundreds of Buddhist holy texts), a devout Buddhist himself and a close friend of the Baron was shot several times by a duo of rowdy OMB officers. The next day, upon seeing his dead body, the Baron shed a tear and was about to weep but then he reminded himself "Attachment is the cause of all suffering. I should not be sad, he is a higher being now.". He spoke affirming that what happened to his friend was a good thing but nevertheless, he had the two officers responsible for the librarian's death, beheaded. After the incident, he called for OMB officers to practice the "discipline of the Gautama". With this bold order, the number of housed burned down by the OMB and the number of people it killed, decreased significantly but the fear they struck into the hearts of the people never did.

On the economic front, things went according to the Baron's plans. Under Felix Balgokov, a former Red-turned-Buddhist convert who the Baron appointed Finance Minister, the FER's infrastructure was improved greatly. He opened new commercial and industrial centers in Chita, the FER's second major city. Farmers received much needed state supervision (which meant that some would be killed if they opposed but it helped more nonetheless).

Meanwhile, to the West in Soviet Russia, with Wrangel and Makhno defeated and the Civil War brought to a de facto end, War Commissar, Leon Trotsky proposes to the Central Committee an invasion of the East to retake the rest of Russia. Lenin, already bedridden and powerless at this point has no say in this matter. It was left to the Central Committee whose majority was full of Trotsky's opponents like Stalin, Zioviev, Kamenev, Rykov and Bukharin. All of whom opposed this. Although, Lenin himself was in favor of an Eastern reconquest, he called for the consolidation of Soviet power in European Russia and neighboring Eastern Europe and spreading the Revolution westwards first before returning to the East. Trotsky's plans for the East were ultimately turned down.

The invasion of Mongolia or Operation Chagatai as the Baron called it began on August the 11th of that year with the FER's cavalry led by the Baron's own Savage Division rolled into Mongolia from the Northeast as the plan stated. On their way to Urga, they met little to no opposition but upon reaching its city limits, they were greeted by a barricade of Chinese infantrymen who opened fire immediately. The Baron responded with a cavalry charge that broke through the barricade and entered the city. A moderate amount of urban warfare was fought by the two armies that quickly ended in favor of the Baron's forces. Upon reaching, the city center, reinforcements from the south had already fortirifed their positions leaving a pocket of the city out of the Baron's hands. He led his forces to the southern city districts and eventually succeeded in chasing out the Chinese. The Baron's cavalrymen then rode throughout the Mongolian countryside cleansing the land of remnants of the Chinese army, most of which had already fled south to Inner Mongolia.

Within three weeks of the initial invasion, the Baron had taken Mongolia. He founds, the Khanate of Mongolia and reinstates its deposed sovereign, the Bogd Khan as ruler. After several more weeks, he transfers the occupation to the Kwantung Army whose soldiers in the FER are transfered to Mongolia where they build new bases near the border with China. Although, his military forces have left the Khanate, the Baron remains as the "Governor of Urga", taking care of its civil affairs as the Japanese take care of military affairs. Also, the Baron brings with him a unit of the OMB to serve as his personal guard. He leaves his loyal subordinate Stepailoff, who is now Vice President at home to take care of the FER while he is gone. Tokyo at first spoke out against the Kwantung Army's occupation of the land and called for a withdrawal. But, unable to do anything about it, the Japanese Government eventually accepts the legitimacy of the occupation and recognizes the Khanate. For his efforts in the conquest of Mongolia, the Baron was awarded Order of the Rising Sun, First Class by the Kwantung General Staff.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 06:58 AM
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Here are a few elements that you might want to add into the ATL. If anything, consider the idea that Baron Roman Ungern von Sternberg might find backing from foreign sources, depending on the amount of political and military success achieved.

Here are the plans for Japanese intervention to establish a Far Eastern Republic from 1918-1925:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...f_the_Far_East

Also, consider adding the Nikolayevsk Incident of March 1920 into the ATL, wherein Japanese were killed by Soviet forces:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolayevsk_Incident

To make things complicated, you should definitely add the American Expeditionary Force Siberia (AEF Siberia) which was ordered by President Woodrow Wilson to the region from 1918-1920. In the ATL, consider the considequences of an American and Japanese presence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America..._Force_Siberia

The commader of the White Russian Army, Admiral Aleksandr V. Kolchak, would certainly important to the ATL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksan...levich_Kolchak

Considering that the Japanese helped back Cossack leader Grigory Semyonov until his death in 1946, he is definitely going to be an important character int he development of the ATL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Semyonov
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Old March 12th, 2008, 08:57 AM
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Here are a few elements that you might want to add into the ATL. If anything, consider the idea that Baron Roman Ungern von Sternberg might find backing from foreign sources, depending on the amount of political and military success achieved.

Here are the plans for Japanese intervention to establish a Far Eastern Republic from 1918-1925:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...f_the_Far_East

Also, consider adding the Nikolayevsk Incident of March 1920 into the ATL, wherein Japanese were killed by Soviet forces:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolayevsk_Incident

To make things complicated, you should definitely add the American Expeditionary Force Siberia (AEF Siberia) which was ordered by President Woodrow Wilson to the region from 1918-1920. In the ATL, consider the considequences of an American and Japanese presence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America..._Force_Siberia

The commader of the White Russian Army, Admiral Aleksandr V. Kolchak, would certainly important to the ATL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksan...levich_Kolchak

Considering that the Japanese helped back Cossack leader Grigory Semyonov until his death in 1946, he is definitely going to be an important character int he development of the ATL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Semyonov
Thanks for the links and info but for the last two, they have already died in this TL. In fact, the last one, Semyonov, his dying and being replaced by the Baron is the POD.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 11:20 AM
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Thanks for the links and info but for the last two, they have already died in this TL. In fact, the last one, Semyonov, his dying and being replaced by the Baron is the POD.
Someone you might want to add to the American Expeditionary Force Siberia, would be General Smedley Darlinton Butler, USMC. He is pretty familiar to most people for his role in the 1934 plot to overthrow the FDR Administration. In the ATL, he could be given command of U.S. forces:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

With the sudden loss of American support c.1924, consider the danger of an alliance with Nazi Germany during the 1930s and 1940s, with the case of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVth_SS..._Cavalry_Corps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Cossack_Division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_von_Pannwitz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Shkuro


Also consider the 1945 Betrayal of the Cossacks for the ATL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrayal_of_the_Cossacks

With the material provided, you have enough characters to draw things out until roughly c.1955
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Reforms in Urga, the Second Chita Agreement and the Capture of Trotsky

1924 - As Governor of Urga, a title equivalent to being head of state of the country, the Baron enacted several reforms that radically transformed the Mongolian socio-political landscape. The first thing he did was to introduce a new set of laws based on Buddhist ethics. Opposition to this primarily came from Mongolia's corrupt merchant class who virtually ran the country before his conquest. To fight this, the Baron set about disciplining them through the use of the OMB whose newest Monestary was set up in Urga's central avenue. They did everything from blackmail to assault to murder in order to silence the merchants. For the people of Mongolia, he introduced paper currency and a public transport system, built roads and bridges, renovated entire neighborhoods and established several public schools with Buddhist ethics being a primary subject in all of them.

To balance his good deeds toward the Mongolian people with his devotion and servitude to the Japanese, the Baron signs the Second Chita Agreement. This agreement opened up the FER and the Khanate even more to Japanese domination. Japan would be allowed to build factories in the cities of the FER and the Khanate. These Japanese factories would be powered by a mass of slave labor from Korea. In the following years, the FER and the Khanate, would see large numbers of Koreans enter its borders for work in the factories. In the south of the Khanate, near the border with China, the Kwantung Army built several fortified bases as they geared up for eventual war.

In the Soviet Union, the begging of the year was marked with the death of Lenin and the acceleration of Stalin to his future status of power at the expense of Trotsky. Trotsky who was recently demoted by the Central Committee to Secretary of Sanitation and Public Hygiene was disgruntled more than ever with his newest job and the Committee's steadfast opposition to him and his ideas. Using his connections to the Red Army, he summons a sizable army of cavalrymen numbering in the several thousands, to be led by his old friend, Mikhail Tuckhachevsky to the area near the border with the FER. He discarded his initial plan of taking Mongolia from the Baron due to the heavy Japanese presence there and instead drafted new plans to take Vladivostok through a lightning quick invasion, then dismantle the FER from there using Tukhachevsky's reinforcements. This phase would be be coordinated by Tuckhachevsky from behind the frontlines. He did not bother to consult the Central Committee and proceeded with his invasion on September 20th.

He met initial sucees in taking Chita and several towns west of it and in making his way to the outskirts of Primorsky Krai, the region to which Vladivostok belonged to as he took the FER's forces by surprise. But he was repelled in the small village of Ambroskaya by forces commanded by Sepailof. He retreated toward Chita where his forces were replenished by several reinforcements from the West. The tide turned when on the the 23rd, the Baron himself enterd the FER from Mongolia and met up with his cavalry. He led them toward Chita and prepared for battle with Trotsky. Occurring almost simultaneously was Tuchachevsky's arrest by the Cheka for acting without orders. His forces were dispersed immediately after, leaving Trotsky and his men doomed to certain defeat in Chita. The Baron's forces surrounded the city and got a surrender from the former War Commissar after only a few hours, leaving the city mostly unharmed. The Baron had captured Leon Trotsky. The "King of the Jews" was stored in a special cell in Vladivostok Prison where he awaited trial for unprovoked war, war crimes, advocacy of Bolshevism and Jewishness.

Soon, the Baron's offices in Vladivostok were filled with telegrams from Moscow, all screaming that the Soviet Government had nothing to do with Trotsky's actions. The Baron responded with a telegram, one that read like a ransom note.

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Someone you might want to add to the American Expeditionary Force Siberia, would be General Smedley Darlinton Butler, USMC. He is pretty familiar to most people for his role in the 1934 plot to overthrow the FDR Administration. In the ATL, he could be given command of U.S. forces:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

With the sudden loss of American support c.1924, consider the danger of an alliance with Nazi Germany during the 1930s and 1940s, with the case of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XVth_SS..._Cavalry_Corps

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Cossack_Division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_von_Pannwitz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Shkuro


Also consider the 1945 Betrayal of the Cossacks for the ATL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrayal_of_the_Cossacks

With the material provided, you have enough characters to draw things out until roughly c.1955
Again thanks for the links and info, but ITTL, the Americans had left Siberia by this point and I want the Baron and Hitler to go to war but I might change my mind at some point.

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Interesting

I know almost nothing about the far East of Russia during the civil war, so i won't attempt in depth analysis or scrutiny

All in all, i like, and would enjoy seeing this develop
Thanks for the response!

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Something that might push things in the direction of war would be oil development. Remember this was one of the major points of antagonism between the United States and Japan, along with one of Germany's justifications for launching Operation BARABOSSA. In the ATL, consider the major consequences of oil being discovered in the region in c.1933. In OTL, the oil fields of Eastern Siberia weren't discovered until May 29, 1965. As such, one report by Halliburton stated:

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“West Siberia is the dominant petroleum basin in Russia, producing 75% of all Russian oil and gas,” Ulmishek, Russian oil expert at the U.S. Geological Survey, said. “It’s the second richest basin in the world, second only to the Middle East, with huge reserves and very substantial undiscovered resources.”
This creates a situation wherein the Ungberg Dynasty follows a thin line of authoritarian dictatorships, backed by American and British corporate interests in the 1950s and 1960s, in an effort to boost the "bottom line" (Mossadeq in Iran, 1953). This led initially to a small boom in 1965. In the ATL, consider having Roman Abramovich and Mikhail Freedman come to power with the promise of secure oil rights for corporate America and Western Europe, sparking international attention.

Some characters you might want to have are the Russian oligarchs, who benefitted under the Yeltsin administration in Russia. Some Siberian actors would include Victor Vekelsburg (Russia's 3rd richest person, c.2000), Leon Blavatnik (British Petroleum, CEO-Russia, c.1997) and Viktor F. Vekselberg (British Petroleum, CEO-Russia c.1990).
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Something that might push things in the direction of war would be oil development. Remember this was one of the major points of antagonism between the United States and Japan, along with one of Germany's justifications for launching Operation BARABOSSA. In the ATL, consider the major consequences of oil being discovered in the region in c.1933. In OTL, the oil fields of Eastern Siberia weren't discovered until May 29, 1965. As such, one report by Halliburton stated:



This creates a situation wherein the Ungberg Dynasty follows a thin line of authoritarian dictatorships, backed by American and British corporate interests in the 1950s and 1960s, in an effort to boost the "bottom line" (Mossadeq in Iran, 1953). This led initially to a small boom in 1965. In the ATL, consider having Roman Abramovich and Mikhail Freedman come to power with the promise of secure oil rights for corporate America and Western Europe, sparking international attention.

Some characters you might want to have are the Russian oligarchs, who benefitted under the Yeltsin administration in Russia. Some Siberian actors would include Victor Vekelsburg (Russia's 3rd richest person, c.2000), Leon Blavatnik (British Petroleum, CEO-Russia, c.1997) and Viktor F. Vekselberg (British Petroleum, CEO-Russia c.1990).
Wow, thanks for the info on the Siberian oil. I was gonna make the Baron discover only Manchurian oil but with Siberian oil, he'd have enough fuel to conquer all of East Asia.
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Here are some events in OTL that could definitely make things uglier in the ATL for the Siberian governments in the post-1945 world.

1979- In Sverdlovsk, Siberia, there was an explosion at Compound 19, a biological weapons lab. 96 people were stricken from the release of anthrax bacterium and at least 66 [68] died. The name of the town was later changed to Yekaterinburg.

June 1982- "Farewell," a C.I.A. campaign of computer sabotage, stayed secret because the blast, estimated at three kilotons, took place in the Siberian wilderness, with no casualties known. "The pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines and valves was programmed to go haywire," writes Reed, "to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to the pipeline joints and welds. The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space." At the Abyss by Thomas C. Reed (2004)

With the latter event, consider what would be the cost to the Ungberg regime if the CIA or MI5 considered the leadership, an "expendable resource"...
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Here are some events in OTL that could definitely make things uglier in the ATL for the Siberian governments in the post-1945 world.

1979- In Sverdlovsk, Siberia, there was an explosion at Compound 19, a biological weapons lab. 96 people were stricken from the release of anthrax bacterium and at least 66 [68] died. The name of the town was later changed to Yekaterinburg.

June 1982- "Farewell," a C.I.A. campaign of computer sabotage, stayed secret because the blast, estimated at three kilotons, took place in the Siberian wilderness, with no casualties known. "The pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines and valves was programmed to go haywire," writes Reed, "to reset pump speeds and valve settings to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to the pipeline joints and welds. The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space." At the Abyss by Thomas C. Reed (2004)

With the latter event, consider what would be the cost to the Ungberg regime if the CIA or MI5 considered the leadership, an "expendable resource"...
You don't know much about the butterfly effect, do you?
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You don't know much about the butterfly effect, do you?
Sure I do, but some of the events in the ATL will still have an parallel or "echo". If anything the violemt episodes mentioned could exist under similar circumstances as CIA covert operations in Iran after the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1979 until 1989. Based on what has been established, it is pretty certain that the British and Americans will look at the Ungberg regime as a potential source of oil...
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I always thought the Bloody Baron was an interesting figure, I like this timeline
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Sure I do, but some of the events in the ATL will still have an parallel or "echo". If anything the violemt episodes mentioned could exist under similar circumstances as CIA covert operations in Iran after the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1979 until 1989. Based on what has been established, it is pretty certain that the British and Americans will look at the Ungberg regime as a potential source of oil...
Thanks again for the info on oil. Greatly appreciate it.

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Bolsheviks in Urga, Trotsky's Trial and the Foundations of Sternbergia

1924 (Cont.) - The meeting between the Bolshevik delegation led by Vyascheslav Molotov and the Baron later that month accomplished much. First off, they had agreed upon the fact that Trotsky acted independently and without the consent of his superiors in Moscow. Second, they signed a treaty that formally ended the Civil War in the East. Although hostilities between the FER and Soviet Russia had ceased long ago, it was only know that the war came to a formal end. Another thing the Bolsheviks had made clear was that they did not want Trotsky back. "He causes too much trouble there" Molotov said. "Its better if you keep him prisoner here". The Bolshevik Delegation left by train on September 27th. The following day with Soviet approval, Trotsky was tried in the Vladivostok High Court. With a quick and resounding trial, one not unlike the ones held by the Soviet troikas, the former War Commissar was sentenced to life imprisonment for a host of crimes both real and imagined, among which was the instigation of unprovoked war and taking part in the execution of the Jewish world conspiracy.

1925-'26 - 1925 year opened in the FER and in Mongolia with the planned mass immigration of Korean slave workers who were there to first build the large scale Japanese industrial program as stated in the Second Chita Agreement and then to begin work in those Japanese factories. To accommodate the new Korean workforce, the Baron built several Korean housing districts in and around the major cities of the FER and Mongolia. These houses were shabby and run down but good enough for slaves. As soon as the Korean were settled, they began work on the construction of Japanese factories. The of Urga and Vladivostok would change dramatically in the next few years as new and larger industrial districts would start popping up around the city limits. These big busy set of Japanese arms factories which were worked on by an exclusively Korean labor force were jokingly nicknamed "Koreatown" by the citizens of the Baron's domain. The occasional Korean revolt was always squashed by the OMB ensuring a loyal slave pool. By the end of these two years, the FER and Urga would contain 16,000 Korean laborers, a number which was to be expanded upon in the following years.

1927-'28 - After two years of faithful execution of the Second Chita Agreement, the Baron would score his next big show of servitude to the Japanese with the discovery of Siberian oil. A geological surveying expedition discovered oil on the nigh of June 11th of 1927. In no time, the Baron had given the Japanese exclusive rights to it, expanding Korean industrial slave labor to the new oil sector. Along with factories in the cities, oil pumps and oil wells rose in the frozen wastes, churning out not just arms and oil but great economic strength for the Japanese, all of which would be controlled by the Kwantung Army. Soon, the businesses of Tokyo would tap into the vast industrial strength of what was now called in Japanese circles, the "Sternbegia". A concrete definition of this term would be the vast largely slave-powered industrial and oil producing sectors of the FER and Mongolia. By the beginning of 1928, the civilian enterprises of Tokyo started shifting their industrial bases from the Home Islands to Sternergia. Soon, cars and foodstuffs would join the arms production industry as "Sternbergia's" main exports.
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Some characters you might want to have are the Russian oligarchs, who benefitted under the Yeltsin administration in Russia. Some Siberian actors would include Victor Vekelsburg (Russia's 3rd richest person, c.2000), Leon Blavatnik (British Petroleum, CEO-Russia, c.1997) and Viktor F. Vekselberg (British Petroleum, CEO-Russia c.1990).
Umh, anyone born after 1919 would be butterflied out of existance. Along with the CIA & perhapse Pearl Harbour.

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Umh, anyone born after 1919 would be butterfliued out of existance.
Why should a republic in the far east buterfly away a the birth of someone from South America?
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Umh, anyone born after 1919 would be butterflied out of existance. Along with the CIA & perhapse Pearl Harbour.
You're right about the CIA there and there are gonna be lots of butterflies if the Baron comes to conquer all of continental East Asia which is what is supposed to happen in this TL.
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