Watch on the Rhine (Posleen series)

[Admiral Canaris]

I just finished it. What do you think of it?

[Valdemar II]

Originally Posted by Admiral Canaris

I just finished it. What do you think of it?

Honestly completely politicize crap, because clearly the Greens are worse than the Nazi and the maneating reptilian aliens.

[Admiral Canaris]

Originally Posted by Valdemar II

Honestly completely politicize crap, because clearly the Greens are worse than the Nazi and the maneating reptilian aliens.

It's like in Drakon... what is it with Greens and betraying the world to aliens?

[Valdemar II]

Originally Posted by Admiral Canaris

It's like in Drakon... what is it with Greens and betraying the world to aliens?

The worst part that it's still better than the Phometeus Project (also DaV books) which take a genial idea and a okay story, and destroys it with so mindblowing stupid commentaries on US politics that it hurts.

[Admiral Canaris]

I haven't read that book yet. I kinda liked WotR, though... the new military knew how to treat violent demonstrators.

[Emperor Qianlong]

Geez, I just read summaries of the book... the whole premise just seems god-damn stupid. I must say, I dislike the Posleenverse in the first place, but this gives totally gives it the final blow.

[Adept Havelock]

A decent Posleen-verse romp from John Ringo, undone by typical and tiresome political ranting from Tom Kratman. Kratman has become the Right Wing version of Kim Stanley Robinson when it comes to whining about what he thinks is wrong with politics and society, IMO.

I did like the notion of rejuving the Waffen SS to fight Posties. "He is a very bad man, but a very good tank gunner!". Heh.

[mattep74]

And Sweden gets more refugees. Apperantly its to cold for the possies to come here. Just wait 10 more years and then according to Al Gore we have medeteranian climate in the south and then the possies can land and visit us to. YEY

[Admiral Canaris]

Originally Posted by mattep74

And Sweden gets more refugees. Apperantly its to cold for the possies to come here. Just wait 10 more years and then according to Al Gore we have medeteranian climate in the south and then the possies can land and visit us to. YEY

The Evil Green Conspiracy comes together. By opposing nuclear power, they deliberately escalated global warming to adapt our climate to the Posleen physiology...

[Archangel Michael]

I find your sig very appropriate and ironic for this thread, Admiral.

[alt_historian]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

A decent Posleen-verse romp from John Ringo, undone by typical and tiresome political ranting from Tom Kratman. Kratman has become the Right Wing version of Kim Stanley Robinson when it comes to whining about what he thinks is wrong with politics and society, IMO.

I did like the notion of rejuving the Waffen SS to fight Posties. "He is a very bad man, but a very good tank gunner!". Heh.

Huh? Kim Stanley Robinson? Ranting? Politics? I've only read the Mars trilogy. And in that, what happened (political developments) seemed to make sense. So what are you talking about?

[Timmy811]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

A decent Posleen-verse romp from John Ringo, undone by typical and tiresome political ranting from Tom Kratman. Kratman has become the Right Wing version of Kim Stanley Robinson when it comes to whining about what he thinks is wrong with politics and society, IMO.

I did like the notion of rejuving the Waffen SS to fight Posties. "He is a very bad man, but a very good tank gunner!". Heh.

It would have been better if the top SS brass had been plotting to overthrow the state and succeeded in the end. Two competing evil conspiracies would have jazzed things up and made it seem less of a political hatchet job.

It had good battle scenes though.

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by alt_historian

Huh? Kim Stanley Robinson? Ranting? Politics? I've only read the Mars trilogy. And in that, what happened (political developments) seemed to make sense. So what are you talking about?

Try his "Three Californias" trilogy, "40 signs of rain" and sequels, or parts of "Years of Rice and Salt". I think you'll see what I mean.

I suppose "Stephen Baxter" could be substituted for KSM and the statement works just as well.

I like their stories, I just wish they'd quit clubbing me over the head with their politics.

Originally Posted by Timmy811

It would have been better if the top SS brass had been plotting to overthrow the state and succeeded in the end. Two competing evil conspiracies would have jazzed things up and made it seem less of a political hatchet job.

It had good battle scenes though.

I suppose, but I don't read Posleen carnography for political machinations.

[alt_historian]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Try his "Three Californias" trilogy, "40 signs of rain" and sequels, or parts of "Years of Rice and Salt". I think you'll see what I mean.

I suppose "Stephen Baxter" could be substituted for KSM and the statement works just as well.

I like their stories, I just wish they'd quit clubbing me over the head with their politics.
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I can see what you mean with Stephen Baxter. Still, that's more a specific grievance, along the lines of "Gaaagh! Damn politicians, holding back the space program! We should be out by Jupiter by now!"

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by alt_historian

I can see what you mean with Stephen Baxter. Still, that's more a specific grievance, along the lines of "Gaaagh! Damn politicians, holding back the space program! We should be out by Jupiter by now!"

When I read Baxter, I see a lot of implied "Lefties good!, Righties Bad!" in his stuff. His U.S. in "Titan" was as absurd as Kratmans ranting about the Left in WotR, IMO. Maybe it's just me, but I see two sides of the same coin.

[SouthCarolinian]

I've seen this in both hardback and paperback and it looked interesting, but I have no idea where to start on the Posleen books (ie, which order to read them in)

[Glen]

While acknowledging freely the blatant anti-left bias of the Posleenverse, I will say that I overall enjoyed Watch on the Rhine. I particularly liked the Hans Brasche character. I felt his angst over his guilt of the past, and found it particularly poignant when they had to stop the Posleen crossing despite the human hostages, and he turned the work over to the rejuvs to spare another generation that burden.

[Torqumada]

Originally Posted by SouthCarolinian

I've seen this in both hardback and paperback and it looked interesting, but I have no idea where to start on the Posleen books (ie, which order to read them in)

Try here.

I started reading the series a few weeks ago. I am getting ready to read The Hero. I find the concepts behind the series interesting: alien morons with super high tech invade the galaxy and its up to Earth to stop them. I think I know why the teamed Ringo up with some other writers though: I can understand if the characters have a problem with remembering the ranks of characters they have known for a long time, who just got battlefield promotions, but the narrator should never have that problem, especially swapping back and forth three times in the same paragraph. The Polseen should not swap between using human military designations for the positions their god kings fill, like calling one S-2, The first two books I thought were good. There was real tension during the fight for DC. In the third book, things have changed abruptly, but there just wasn't any tension seen previously. Cally's war was an interesting study of what can happen to people who have spent too long battling the enemy (whomever that is for them) that they almost become the enemy....oh and sex. I wish we could learn more about the set up of the United States, but maybe that is in the next book. Interesting stories though. I wish the books were a bit longer. I am glad that I found them for free, legally. I hate spending $8-9 for a book that has 19 chapters max.

Torqumada

[SouthCarolinian]

Thanks for the link, much appreciated.

[Fatewarns]

what did the Darhel do?