DBWI: Marylin Monroe didn't kill JFK?

Pkmatrix

Monthly Donor
I was wondering: how might the rest of President Kennedy's administration played out had he not been fatally stabbed by his lover, Marylin Monroe, when he tried to break off their relationship in August 1962? How might JFK have reacted to the Cuban Missile Crisis when it broke out two months later? Would he have done anything differently than Johnson?
 
He would have calmed the Soviets down, instead of Johnson who not only bullrushed Cuba with Marines but nuked Havana for good measure too.
 
The Scandinavian Co-Prosperity Sphere would not have all of Europe except for Spain and Italy as Protectorates. Probably Brazil, India, Iran and Nationalist China would not be the worlds powers.
(OOC:Figured the US still has power, becouse of the bomb, but is very isolationist, and that the PRC fell apart and Southern China is nationalist)
 

Pkmatrix

Monthly Donor
I think it is possible that Kennedy would have avoided a war. Western Europe would be habitable.

I'm not sure how he could have, though. My understanding is that the military establishment was itching for a fight to make up for the failure at the Bay of Pigs and once the missiles were spotted in Cuba, the generals just kept pushing until Johnson attacked. Do you think JFK really had the backbone to stand up to that?

Also, poverty-stricken isn't the same thing as uninhabitable. :rolleyes:

He would have calmed the Soviets down, instead of Johnson who not only bullrushed Cuba with Marines but nuked Havana for good measure too.

In retrospect, it was a dumb move. We shouldn't have invaded and we especially shouldn't have dropped the bomb on Havana, because all that did was give the Soviets the excuse to drop the bomb on Bonn and hit back at us in Berlin. We're only lucky that neither side resorted to using the MAD doctrine, otherwise civilization probably would have ended.

Again, though, what could Kennedy have done? Appeasement is obviously not on the cards and we now know that military invasion, either a sneak attack as Johnson did or the alternative air campaign suggested, would have resulted in the War happening.

The Scandinavian Co-Prosperity Sphere would not have all of Europe except for Spain and Italy as Protectorates. Probably Brazil, India, Iran and Nationalist China would not be the worlds powers.
(OOC:Figured the US still has power, becouse of the bomb, but is very isolationist, and that the PRC fell apart and Southern China is nationalist)

Probably, although I wonder if a similar organization might have eventually been formed anyway? Perhaps a Franco-British oriented organization, or something derived from the Coal and Steel Community, rather than the Sweden-Finland dominated group?

I wonder how the powers may be oriented today without the war? Would the PRC still have collapsed? Would Brazil and India still have gotten the bomb and formed their alliance? I wonder if the Shah would still be running Iran, as opposed to the Islamists? It's entirely possible we might still be fighting the Cold War, the USA and USSR still only a step away from WW3.
 
Kennedy would have tried brinkmanship, it would have been very tense for maybe a year or 2 but someone would have blinked
 
The Scandinavian Co-Prosperity Sphere would not have all of Europe except for Spain and Italy as Protectorates. Probably Brazil, India, Iran and Nationalist China would not be the worlds powers.
(OOC:Figured the US still has power, becouse of the bomb, but is very isolationist, and that the PRC fell apart and Southern China is nationalist)
Bah, I laugh whenever I hear people say things like this. The power of these four is entirely relative to the third world because the important areas got wiped off the map for the most part.

Just think about Nationalist China, for example. Said to be the leading power of all Asia, and all the people and resources that involves. Except...
almost all of it third world even by today's standards. Taiwan survived well enough to pick up the pieces of the PRC because the Chinese nuclear program was a joke in the first place, and Russia's auto-fire system in conjunction with the US's broad strike patter completely wiped out the power of the PRC. There was a refugee crisis with no-one to oppose them, and even now without a massive source of foreign aid and investment on the scale of what Taiwan got, only the coast of China is anywhere near recovered. The US still invests more than any several countries combined, but that aid is spread across the planet.

It's similar in India: it's strong because there really isn't any credible rival per say. China's too far away, the Suez is one of the few strategic places the US cares about, and all of its neighbors except Pakistan are weak. But again, without a major source of investment to spur industry, India's refusal to throw away its Socialist Economic Model has crippled India in all but a few fields. Like China, 7/10ths of India's production is hand-made in cottage industries: little investment to put into factories means that post-nuclear Europe as a whole rivals Indian production, because the capital in the Scandinavian Sphere has rebuilt a fraction of the industry of Europe. India might have had a chance to snowball its industry into self-growth at one point, but their foolish invasion of Pakistan destroyed that hope for generations despite ultimate success in "pacifying" the region.

Iran is about the only one that can credibally be called an honest power even by pre-Fall standards, and that's as much as because it was the main power in the region that both didn't lose its patron, and was stable enough to whether the political hurricane that followed. While the other Arab states either fell into anarchy or foolishly tried to destroy Israel, which had remained unharmed during the exchange by a historical surprise, Iran pressed new deals with the US in exchange for insuring a near unlimited supply of energy. So when Iran picked up the scraps that Israel kindly left it, it had much room to move around in the ME, especially once the Shah declared that he wouldn't seek to destroy Israel. Iran has been blessed since, leading the world in Desert Industry/Ecology, as well as managing to keep oil plentiful, stable, and not rely entirely on it.

But Brazil I laugh at: Brazil is the US's de facto appointed representative in the Southern Continent, and most everyone with a degree in the field knows it. In exchange for a completely disproportionate amount of aid, Brazil became the enforcer of SA order. Brazil is the one cited when a new regime comes to power in Venezuela, or when the current Junta in Argentina has new members. All talk of the South American Union to the contrary, Brazil fell into the same position that the US did before having Brazil take the face of power: Brazil is the outsider of a different language in the continent, and the states there increasingly resent the meddling.
 
Top