African Canadian

[Justin Green]

In OTL many free(d) amercian blacks moved to Canada after the Revol. War. There they faced intense discrimination from white loyalist and native Canadians. Soon afterwards Britain created Sierre Leone as a colony to settle these black loyalist. How can we create a modern Canada where Black Canadians make up 10%-20% of the Population?

[Dan Guy]

If you want a more african Canada you might need to see a change in British/Canadian foriegn policy in which the Canadians promote african immigration to foresee the expansion of the Canadian economy. The railroads in the BNA could see alot of progress and so would the urban centers in the major cities.

[Michael E Johnson]

Originally Posted by Justin Green

How can we create a modern Canada where Black Canadians make up 10%-20% of the Population?

The blue states unite with Canada and most African Americans (and blue whites) leave Dixie, the West and Midwest to join the new union while at the same time red whites( Canadian ones too as I'm sure a few exist) leave the blue states and Canada.If only it would happen.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Michael E Johnson

The blue states unite with Canada and most African Americans (and blue whites) leave Dixie, the West and Midwest to join the new union while at the same time red whites( Canadian ones too as I'm sure a few exist) leave the blue states and Canada.If only it would happen.

These states become monarchist? Part of the swearing in ceremony for new citizens of Canada is that they will obey the Queen and recognize her as sovereign. Is there going to be a massive population transfer of US similar to Europe post WWII (democrats - who - will - accept monarchy stay and democrats -who - won't find some territory to start their own countries)?

[Michael E Johnson]

Originally Posted by unsunghero

These states become monarchist? Part of the swearing in ceremony for new citizens of Canada is that they will obey the Queen and recognize her as sovereign. Is there going to be a massive population transfer of US similar to Europe post WWII (democrats - who - will - accept monarchy stay and democrats -who - won't find some territory to start their own countries)?

I think I speak for most blue staters when I say that we would settle for a constitutional monarchy over the theocracy that many red staters want any day of the week.

[DominusNovus]

Originally Posted by Michael E Johnson

I think I speak for most blue staters when I say that we would settle for a constitutional monarchy over the theocracy that many red staters want any day of the week.

Way to generalize, Mej.

[Michael E Johnson]

Originally Posted by DominusNovus

Way to generalize, Mej.

It's my lack of moral values

[Dave Howery]

Originally Posted by Michael E Johnson

I think I speak for most blue staters when I say that we would settle for a constitutional monarchy over the theocracy that many red staters want any day of the week.

no you don't

[DominusNovus]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

no you don't

Good point. I'ved lived my entire life in MA. That makes me a blue-stater.

If I were to pick between monarchy and theocracy, I think it would come down to the titles. I hate the title King. Emperor is better. And all the theocratic titles are cool anyway (Pontifex Maximus? What more could you want? Its in Latin and has Max in it!).

[Dave Howery]

Originally Posted by Michael E Johnson

It's my lack of moral values

nah, you're not immoral. Bitter, bigoted, and perpetually angry, but not immoral...

[DominusNovus]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

nah, you're not immoral. Bitter, bigoted, and perpetually angry, but not immoral...

He could be saying he's amoral....

[Michael E Johnson]

nah, you're not immoral. Bitter, bigoted, and perpetually angry, but not immoral...


Cool !!!-So if I was white too I'd be part of the angry white male base of the GOP .As for what I think about you and your ilk on this board that will have to go unsaid becuase I try and respect Ian's ban against personal attacks.Use your imagination

[Michael E Johnson]

Originally Posted by DominusNovus

He could be saying he's amoral....

Whats the difference? I dont believe in Jesus so I'll burn either way right?

[Justin Green]

Whats the difference? I dont believe in Jesus so I'll burn either way right?

I find that ironic since your quote is one of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. sayings.

Back on topic. How about the war goes longer in america and the British free and arm more slaves. They still lose but several thousand black soldiers want to presearve their freedom. If we join this to the TL where white loyalist go to Australia, could Black Canadians become a large minority in places like New Brunswick and Nova Scotia or would they be pushed to the frontier zone out in Ontario and Manitoba?

[DominusNovus]

Originally Posted by Michael E Johnson

Whats the difference? I dont believe in Jesus so I'll burn either way right?

immoral=evil
amoral=you just don't let morals guide your decision. A robot would be amoral.

[Faeelin]

Originally Posted by DominusNovus

immoral=evil
amoral=you just don't let morals guide your decision. A robot would be amoral.

How do you know a robot couldn't have morals?

[Michael E Johnson]

[QUOTE=Justin Green]I find that ironic since your quote is one of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. sayings.
QUOTE]


Why is that ironic? I greatly admire the man for all he did for the progress of African -Americans in this country. That doesnt mean I also have to share or admire his Christian beliefs.

[Weapon M]

[QUOTE=Michael E Johnson]

Originally Posted by Justin Green

I find that ironic since your quote is one of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. sayings.
QUOTE]


Why is that ironic? I greatly admire the man for all he did for the progress of African -Americans in this country. That doesnt mean I also have to share or admire his Christian beliefs.

Sure. Many non-Hindu people admire Gandhi, and quote him.


Back on topic: Maybe a much, much more successful Underground Railroad movement could help.

Or, instead of sending freed slaves to Liberia, the US saves transport issues and "allows" them to "escape" to Canada.

Maybe even at the end of the ACW, a less-defeated south manages to intimidate and expel large numbers of former slaves, and when they encounter damn near the same racism in the Northern US states, they just keep on going to Canada?

[wkwillis]

At that time Canada included what is now Oregon, Idaho, Washington, and part of Wyoming. The US didn't have territory within 500 miles of there because it was still French (or maybe Spanish). So a black Cascadia is possible.
1776 was when the Mexicans discovered San Francisco and the Great Valley. Russia was going down the coast and looking for fur seals to trade with China, and all had claims. The US at that time wasn't anywhere close to attempting to claim anywhere on the west coast.
So the land was there if anyone wanted it. Swap Florida to Spain in return for California, and the British could have settled all the slaves they wanted in West Canada.