The Cuban Missile War Timeline

[glowjack]

Hey um just wondering why no one has mentioned Defcon yet? (or maybe its because I haven;t read all of the post-I got somewhere around page 38)

Its a game about thermonuclear war

I know my game was off from the timeline...























Just thought it was interesting to bring up

[Ingsoc75]

One of my favorite games! But it's time frame is more 1980's (it was inspired by the 1983 movie War Games).

[clintonforever]

Youtube has a demo, music is a bit chilling. As expected in war timeline I can see 4 impacts in Canada; Europe looks untouched.... Texas and California really get hammered at least 6 hits.... at least 30M dead.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p11DedOmig

Error in above graphic, it says Soviet Union but only Russia is highlighted red, CIS states are all dark.....

[area11]

It also shows a divided Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia
But that aside the graphic would look cool if it was done like that

[clintonforever]

Originally Posted by clintonforever

I can see 4 impacts in Canada; Europe looks untouched.... Texas and California really get hammered at least 6 hits.... at least 30M dead.....

Curious why Canada would get hit when war is between us and Russia.

Canada dumped their remaining nuclear-capable bombers in early 1980s. Their subs are only for patrol/reconnasance.....

Maybe the game player hates Canada.....

[truth is life]

Originally Posted by clintonforever

Curious why Canada would get hit when war is between us and Russia.

Canada dumped their remaining nuclear-capable bombers in early 1980s. Their subs are only for patrol/reconnasance.....

Maybe the game player hates Canada.....

The countries are divided up weirdly. United Europe excluding Russia, super-Asia (stretches from Japan to the Med), South America (I think everything south of the US border), and so on. Canada was probably just part of 'the US', so he got points for nuking it.

[Archangel]

I have rearead the TL and the survival rate in the Asian parts of USSR is larger than it may seem (nearly 13% of the population), which means some rural areas in the Asian parts of USSR could have almost 50% survival (The former Soviet Union in transition, page 798, table 3).

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Archangel

I have rearead the TL and the survival rate in the Asian parts of USSR is larger than it may seem (nearly 13% of the population), which means some rural areas in the Asian parts of USSR could have almost 50% survival (The former Soviet Union in transition, page 798, table 3).

Well much earlier I had been saying the death rate for the USSR as a whole (something like 90+%) was way too high considering that there is no way the US is going to have enough nukes in 1962 to wipe out every settlement in the USSR. The suvivors aren't going to stay put either, which is why I never really bought that idea that they the rest would succumb to nuclear winter - most of the USSR's population was more densely populated in the south (where the effects of the winter would be less) and these people would just move further south. Plus I still couldn't understand how the Finns would somehow survive this nuclear winter but USSR residents in similar latitudes and oftentimes further south are going to die off.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

I'll be posting a new version of this sometime in the next 48 hours. I've got an idea for a vignette that I'd like to do, and I need to get a new version of the TL to do so. I also want to incorporate some more of the great stuff that's been developed and adjust it to facts I've uncovered.

[BigRIJoe]

So Groton/New London Connecticut is toast,eh? I guess we can forget about Foxwoods/Mohegan Sun casinos then!

[Noravea]

This shit scares me!!!! I want my mommy!!!!!

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Here's v.1.6. Because of the length, I've attached it rather than attempt to post inline. Enjoy!

[PCSwitaj]

Originally Posted by Amerigo Vespucci

Here's v.1.6. Because of the length, I've attached it rather than attempt to post inline. Enjoy!

Thanks for that, glad to see this still getting worked over!

[TFLGuitar]

Originally Posted by Amerigo Vespucci

Here's v.1.6. Because of the length, I've attached it rather than attempt to post inline. Enjoy!

thanks! Definetly one of the best (and scariest) timelines!

[Archangel]

I gave a good reading and the timeline, which was already very good, improved a lot more, Amerigo!
I'll be checking in more detail for more suggestions.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Archangel, if you want to collect those 1962 country leanings into a single post, I'll link that in the next version of the TL. The only reason I didn't in this one was because I wasn't sure which versions were final.

[Archangel]

Amerigo, I collected all the posts and corrected/edited a few things.
I’m also gathering more suggestions to the TL, and I’ll be posting time as time allows me.
I hope you like it.


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Africa – October 1962 situation:

Eastern Africa - October 1962 situation:
Burundi - Pro-West (temporarily at least)
Comoros - French
Djibouti - French
Eritrea - Ethiopia
Ethiopia - Ethiopia
Kenya - Pro-West
Madagascar - Pro-West
Malawi - British
Mauritius - British
Mayotte (France) - French
Mozambique - Portuguese
Réunion (France) - French
Rwanda - Pro-West
Seychelles - British
Somalia - Pro-West
Tanganyika: independent since December 1961(with pro-East independence leaders), with a British Governor general until December 1962, when it became a republic; later joined Zanzibar on 26 April 1964 to form the United Republic of Tanganyika and Zanzibar, later renamed Tanzania.
Zanzibar: British (OTL independence in 10 December 1963 as a Constitutional monarchy (Sultanate), later experiencing a revolution, and a short-lived republic which joined Tanganyika to form the United Republic of Tanganyika and Zanzibar, later renamed Tanzania.
Uganda - Pro-east PM, but with a British Governor-General
Zambia – British
Zimbabwe - British

Middle Africa - October 1962 situation:
Angola - Portuguese
Cameroon - Pro-West
Central African Republic - Pro-West
Chad - Pro-West
Congo - Pro-West
Katanga: break-away part of the Republic of the Congo (Léopoldville) – now called Democratic Republic of Congo), and de facto independent from 11 July 1960 to 15 January 1963 (pro-West), based on Élisabethville (now Lubumbashi)
Republic of the Congo (Léopoldville) - now called Democratic Republic of Congo: President: Joseph Kasavubu (pro-West), and Prime-Minister Cyrille Adoula (moderately pro-East). De facto power in the hands of Chief of Staff of the Army, later president Joseph-Désiré Mobutu (later Mobutu Sese Seko), pro-West.; Note: Between 31 March - 5 August 1961, there was a pro-east rebel government, led by Antoine Gizenga, in Stanleyville (Kisangani), with recognition from “21 African, Asian and Eastern European countries in February 1961”, according to Wikipedia. Another rebellion happened there in 1964, led by Pierre Mulele, another pro-east politician.
Equatorial Guinea - Spanish
Gabon - Pro-West
São Tomé and Príncipe - Portuguese

Northern Africa - October 1962 situation:
Algeria - Pro-East
Egypt - Pro-East
Libya - Pro-West (temporarily at least)
Morocco - Pro-West
Sudan - neutral, but with Pro-East currents underneath
Tunisia - Pro-West (although with a socialist economical experiment starting by that time)
Western Sahara - Spanish

OTL 2008 Spanish and Portuguese territories in Northern Africa - October 1962 situation:
Canary Islands (Spain) – Spanish
Ceuta (Spain) – Spanish
Madeira Islands (Portugal) – Portuguese
Melilla (Spain) - Spanish
Western Sahara - Spanish
Sidi Ifni – Spanish

Southern Africa - October 1962 situation:
Botswana – British
Lesotho – British
Namibia - South African
South Africa - Pro-West
Swaziland - British

Western Africa - October 1962 situation:
Benin - Pro-West
Burkina Faso - Pro-West
Cape Verde - Portuguese
Côte d'Ivoire - Pro-West
Gambia - British
Ghana - Pro-East
Guinea - Pro-East
Guinea-Bissau - Portuguese
Liberia - Pro-West
Mali - Pro-East
Mauritania - Pro-West
Niger - Pro-West
Nigeria - Pro-West
Saint Helena (UK) - British
Senegal - Pro-West (OTL PM Mamadou Dia tried a coup in 11 December 1962) -don't know how the lack of soviet support and incoming French refugees affect this
Sierra Leone - Pro-West
Togo – Pro-West

Oceania- October 1962 situation:
Australasia - October 1962 situation:
Australia - Pro-West
New Zealand - Pro-West
Christmas Island - Australian
Cocos (Keeling) Islands - Australian
Norfolk Island – Australian

Melanesia - October 1962 situation:
Fiji - British
New Caledonia (France) - French
Papua New Guinea - Australian
Solomon Islands - British
Vanuatu - British-French Condominium

Micronesia - October 1962 situation:
Federated States of Micronesia - United Nations trust territory in Micronesia (western Pacific) administered by the United States
Guam (USA) - American
Kiribati - British
Marshall Islands - United Nations trust territory in Micronesia (western Pacific) administered by the United States
Nauru - Australia, NZ, and UK-administered UN trusteeship.
Northern Mariana Islands (USA) - United Nations trust territory in Micronesia (western Pacific) administered by the United States
Palau - United Nations trust territory in Micronesia (western Pacific) administered by the United States
Wake Island (USA) – American

Polynesia - October 1962 situation:
American Samoa (USA) - American
Chatham Islands (NZ) - New Zealand
Cook Islands (NZ) - New Zealand
Easter Island (Chile) - Chilean
French Polynesia (France) - French
Loyalty Islands (France) - French
Niue (NZ) - New Zealand
Pitcairn Islands (UK) - British
Samoa - Pro-West
Tokelau (NZ) - New Zealand
Tonga - British protectorate
Tuvalu - British
Wallis and Futuna (France) - French



Asia - October 1962 situation:

Eastern Asia - October 1962 situation:
People's Republic of China - Pro-east, but not in good relations with USSR
Hong Kong - British
Macau - Portuguese
Republic of China (Taiwan) - Pro-West
Japan - Pro-West
North Korea - Pro-east
South Korea - Pro-West
Mongolia - Pro-east

South Asia - October 1962 situation:
Bangladesh - Pakistani
British Indian Ocean Territory - British
Bhutan - Neutral (absolute monarchy, pro-West leaning)
India - Neutral centre-left government
Maldives - British
Nepal - absolute monarchy, pro-West
Pakistan - military regime, pro-west
Sri Lanka - British Dominion, neutral centre-left government

Southeast Asia - October 1962 situation:
Brunei - British
Cambodia - neutral (although with good relations with China
Indonesia - neutral, pro-east-leaning government, but with pro-west military
Laos - pro-West
Malaysia - pro-West
Myanmar - pro-East
The Philippines - pro-West
Singapore - pro-West
Thailand - Monarchy, Military regime, pro-West
South Vietnam - pro-West
Democratic Republic of Vietnam - pro-East
East Timor - Portuguese


Western Asia - October 1962 situation:
Bahrain – British protectorate
Cyprus – pro-West
Gaza – Egypt
Iraq – pro-East
Israel – pro-West
Jordan – pro-West
Kuwait – pro-West
Lebanon – pro-West
Oman – pro-West, suffering the Dhofar Rebellion (1962-1975, with some pro-Saudi and some pro-east elements)
Qatar – British
Saudi Arabia – pro-West
Syria – pro-East
Turkey – pro-West, NATO member
United Arab Emirates – British
West Bank – Jordan
Yemen – pro-East, Civil war between Republicans (who won) and Royalists (27 September 1962 –1970)
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen – British, with a pro-east nationalist insurgency against British from 10 December 1963 to 30 November 1967(date of independence)
Iran – pro-West, with fundamentalist and secular democratic opposition groups
Afghanistan – Neutral Kingdom (King: Mohammed Zahir Shah), with a neutral authoritarian Prime Minister (later President - Mohammed Daoud Khan). Border disputes with Pakistan (1961-1963).



America - October 1962 Situation:

North America - October 1962 Situation:
Anguilla (UK) - British
Antigua and Barbuda - British
Aruba (Netherlands) - Dutch
Bahamas - British
Barbados - British
Belize - British
Bermuda (UK) - British
British Virgin Islands (UK) - British
Canada - Pro-West
Cayman Islands (UK) - British
Clipperton Island (France) - French
Costa Rica - Pro-West
Cuba - Pro-East
Dominica - British
Dominican Republic - Pro-West
El Salvador - Pro-West
Greenland (Denmark) - Denmark
Grenada - British
Guadeloupe (France) - French
Guatemala - Pro-West
Haiti - Pro-West
Honduras - Pro-West
Jamaica - Pro-West
Martinique (France) - French
Mexico - Pro-West
Montserrat (UK) - British
Navassa Island (USA) - US
Netherlands Antilles (Netherlands) - Dutch
Nicaragua - Pro-West
Panama - Pro-West
Puerto Rico (USA) - US
Saint Barthélemy (France) - French
Saint Kitts and Nevis - British
Saint Lucia - British
Saint Martin (France) - French
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (France) - French
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines - British
Trinidad and Tobago - Pro-West
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK) - British
United States - Leader of the Western countries
U.S. Virgin Islands (USA) - US

South America - October 1962 Situation:
Brazil - Neutral, with a left-wing populist / centrist coalition government, with good relations with China and non-aligned countries. Extremely high risk of internal conflict between left and right.
Colombia - Pro-West, with a guerrilla war waged by a pro-East group going on
Argentina - Pro-West
Peru - Pro-West (provisional military regime)
Venezuela - Pro-West
Chile - Pro-West
Ecuador - Neutral (democracy, but with a pro-East leaning, left-wing populist government, later replaced by a military regime in a CIA-supported coup in 1963)
Bolivia - Pro-West
Paraguay - Pro-West (military dictatorship)
Uruguay - Pro-West
Guyana - British
Suriname - Dutch
French Guiana (France) – French


Europe - October 1962 situation:
Åland (Finland) – Finland
Albania – Pro-east, and Pro-People's Republic of China
Andorra – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Austria – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Belgium – Pro-West, NATO member
Bulgaria – Pro-East, Warsaw Pact member
Cyprus – Neutral, but with British bases. In 1963 there was inter-communal violence between Turks and Greeks.
Czechoslovakia – Pro-East, Warsaw Pact member
Denmark – Pro-West, NATO member
Faroe Islands (Denmark) – Denmark
Finland – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
France – Pro-West, NATO member
Federal Republic of Germany – Pro-West, NATO member
German Democratic Republic – Pro-East, Warsaw Pact member
Gibraltar (UK) – UK
Greece – Pro-West, NATO member
Guernsey – Crown dependency (UK)
Hungary – Pro-East, Warsaw Pact member
Iceland – Pro-West, NATO member
Ireland – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Isle of Man – Crown dependency (UK)
Italy – Pro-West, NATO member
Jersey – Crown dependency (UK)
Liechtenstein – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Luxembourg – Pro-West, NATO member
Malta – British
Monaco – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Netherlands – Pro-West, NATO member
Norway – Pro-West, NATO member
Poland – Pro-East, Warsaw Pact member
Portugal – Pro-West, NATO member
Romania – Pro-East, Warsaw Pact member
San Marino – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia – Neutral
Spain – Neutral, but with US bases
Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands (Norway) – Norway
Sweden – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Switzerland – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)
Turkey – Pro-West, NATO member
United Kingdom – Pro-West, NATO member
Vatican City – Neutral (but pro-west leaning)

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Here's a little present, and I should have a few more coming up.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by Amerigo Vespucci

Here's a little present, and I should have a few more coming up.

Cool map, Amerigo!
The Havana area would be really doomed in the CMW.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Here's the latest and greatest version of the timeline. Even if you've already read it, I strongly suggest you take a look at this one. I've added several days of events before the POD in order to give you more of a flavor for the time period. I've also cleared up some problems with dating and missile targeting.