The Cuban Missile War Timeline

[Michel Van]

Originally Posted by tom

Surrounded by nuclear powers and so close to its own nukes in 1962, why doesn't China get the Bomb?

mabye China understand that the best way to play the nuclear game:
is not to play it

another question

in tV doku over US Interstate Highway System, some people clame:
"Dwight D. Eisenhower has let build the Highway, to evacuate people from citys in case of a nuclear War"
( reality it was to facilitating private and commercial transportation and provide key ground transport routes for military supplies and troop deployments in an emergency.)

i had this idea
wat about people escape the Citys during War and refuse to return in city or towns
in fear of new nuclear strike moving over US Interstate Highway System, stay never long.
please do understand
this not Mad Max or Gypsy romance but a modern form on a Nomadic Life.

can this work ?

[tom]

What is the ATL world population in 2000?

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Originally Posted by tom

What is the ATL world population in 2000?

Less than OTL. No more than a billion less, no less than 200 million less.

[Ingsoc75]

I remember watching an episode of NOVA probably 1988 or 1989 and at one point it talked about a full nuclear exchange and had a spectacular graphic of the earth from space showing all the explosions (the night side graphic was very interesting).

Would anybody happen to have this?

[tom]

No, but that reminds me of a New Yorker cartoon. The Earth was being watched by moon creatures, while it was sprouting mushroom clouds. The moon creatures were going "Ooooh...aaaah" like a firework display.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Originally Posted by tom

No, but that reminds me of a New Yorker cartoon. The Earth was being watched by moon creatures, while it was sprouting mushroom clouds. The moon creatures were going "Ooooh...aaaah" like a firework display.

I think that was a Far Side cartoon.

[Chuck Mandus]

Originally Posted by Amerigo Vespucci

I think that was a Far Side cartoon.

I also remember a "Far Side" cartoon where you see two guys fishing on a lake in a boat and in the background past the mountains you see 4 or 5 mushroom clouds. One says to the other, "the Hell with the fishing limit" and fished as much as they can.

[tom]

And one survivor of WWIII coming out of his fallout shelter saying "I guess I won" at the lifeless surface of rubble.
And back on topic, would America be hated by other nations for incinerating a quarter of the planet?

[Vanzetti]

Originally Posted by tom

And back on topic, would America be hated by other nations for incinerating a quarter of the planet?

Nations don`t have emotions, as they are not humans.

[Archangel]

Originally Posted by tom

And one survivor of WWIII coming out of his fallout shelter saying "I guess I won" at the lifeless surface of rubble.
And back on topic, would America be hated by other nations for incinerating a quarter of the planet?

IMO, given that it was the Warsaw Pact who started the war, most of the blame would be on the Warsaw pact and USSR in particular. The US would be mostly criticized by its isolationism.

[Michel Van]

Originally Posted by Archangel

IMO, given that it was the Warsaw Pact who started the war, most of the blame would be on the Warsaw pact and USSR in particular. The US would be mostly criticized by its isolationism.

i have the same opinion for CMW
But people can be very irrational in ther hate.

See end of WW one and "Stab-in-the-back legend"
were mostly Jews was blame for lost of Germany Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend

some suriviors will blame the US, because Warsaw Pact is gone
most of them will be in Europe and Japan.
but rest of world in general will blame Warsaw Pact

Note on John F. Kennedy health
it was secret, JFK was very sick: the Addison's disease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addison%27s_disease

he took steroids, testosterone and alot cortisone against the disease
(the side effect gave him a "bull-like" libido )
also he suffers of heavy Back problems, JFK took a lot painkiller
http://www.doctorzebra.com/Prez/g35.htm

most of problems were treated by "Dr" Max Jacobson aka "Dr. Feelgood" or "Miracle Max"
he gave Kennedy injections with a miracle drugs (secret recipe: amphetamines and painkillers ! )
JFK say about the treatment:

"I don't care if it's horse piss. It works."

so he take during Cuba Missile crisis :
steroids give him a "steroid psychosis"
testosterone
alot cortisone
amphetamines and painkillers injections by Dr. Feelgood
phenobarbital ( to chill down)
lomotil (side effect can make you "mad as a hatter.")
paregoric (Contains opium.)
Tuinal

Seymour Hersh's The Dark Side of Camelot (1998)
presents a critical analysis of the Kennedy administration,
stating that Kennedy "was probably one of the unhealthiest men ever to sit in the Oval Office."

i say is a dam miracle that we still alive!

[tom]

Check out http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key...uclear-war.htm

Numbers 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13 all occurred during the Cuban Missile Crisis. And they don't even include the PoD of this TL!
It doesn't have the 1983 scenario in the favorite WW3 poll.
Miracle does not begin to cover it.

[tom]

I wonder if Amish (with their avoiding of technology, especially at this time) and the Mormons (with their year supply of food) would prosper disproportionately in this ATL.

[Hnau]

While the Mormons might do better because of the 'Bishop's Storehouse', in which the Bishop of each Ward gathers donations every month that is collected to be given to the needy in the Ward, is available, the doctrine of the 'year's food supply' was not around in 1963. It might be developed faster in this timeline, though.

[Archangel]

This post I found in another thread might be useful combined with my predictions for Angola and other former Portuguese colonies.
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=722040&postcount=62

[PCSwitaj]

Just throwing this out there, but it may be interesting to see the sports landscape in the modern day following the Cuban Missile War; for example, for the NFL, the Cardinals were in St. Louis at the time, and they could still be in the new nations capital once things strive to get back to normal.

[Douglas]

Also sports-related, what about the World Cup? I could see it being given up in 1966 due to all of the dislocation, and maybe even 1970, too, but will it come back in 1970 or 1974?

With all of Europe devastated, I'd imagine that South America would be pretty dominant, with the African states with all of the European refugees being pretty good as well.

[Bobindelaware]

Originally Posted by tom

I wonder if Amish (with their avoiding of technology, especially at this time) and the Mormons (with their year supply of food) would prosper disproportionately in this ATL.

I would suspect that the Amish (and their more "worldly" cousins the Mennonites) would suffer as much if not more from immediate effects - Fallout, illness, initial starvation, etc. as anyone else. That being said, I would suspect that their survivors would be quite well off compared to most anyone else. And the Mennonite Central Committee, their relief organization, is rather decentralized and would be quite effective in recovery efforts. I seem to recall reading some MCC documents to that effect.

Bobindelaware

[ZaphodBeeblebrox]

Originally Posted by Bobindelaware

I would suspect that the Amish (and their more "worldly" cousins the Mennonites) would suffer as much if not more from immediate effects - Fallout, illness, initial starvation, etc. as anyone else. That being said, I would suspect that their survivors would be quite well off compared to most anyone else. And the Mennonite Central Committee, their relief organization, is rather decentralized and would be quite effective in recovery efforts. I seem to recall reading some MCC documents to that effect.

Bobindelaware

Yeah ...

The Mennonites in General, and Especially The Amish, are VERY Hardy People ...

I Regularly do Business with a Group of Amish in Ohio, And while it's Hard Sometimes to Get them to Keep a Dead-Line; they Make The BEST Recliners I've Ever Seen!

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Originally Posted by Douglas

Also sports-related, what about the World Cup? I could see it being given up in 1966 due to all of the dislocation, and maybe even 1970, too, but will it come back in 1970 or 1974?

With all of Europe devastated, I'd imagine that South America would be pretty dominant, with the African states with all of the European refugees being pretty good as well.

Could be. And don't forget Australia and New Zealand, as well.