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Old April 29th, 2007, 03:05 AM
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Palatinate Protestant German Empire

So. . . its 1620, and Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand has been ousted from the throne of Bohemia. What if Frederick the Fith recieved a little more military support, at least enough to prevent the immediate Palitinate take over?

After that, many Protestant princes will jump at the chance of dealing with the Austrians, leading to support from Denmark and Saxony. Bavaria is surrounded, and do to imperial loses the electorship is never offered to them, so they don't enter the war. The Hapsburgs are defeated, Emperor Ferdinand II is forced to abdicate, and Frederick is declared Emperor by the majority Protestant electors.
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Old April 29th, 2007, 03:15 AM
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Bavaria and Austria immediately secede and the Pope refuses to crown Frederick. Still going to be a thirty-years war, but it may go better for the Protestants if Frederick can rally them.
Question is, which way will Saxony go? Frederick was a Calvinist and John George was pretty anti-Calvinist if I remember correctly.
Good idea; keep it up.
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Old May 1st, 2007, 06:36 PM
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So. . . its 1620, and Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand has been ousted from the throne of Bohemia. What if Frederick the Fith recieved a little more military support, at least enough to prevent the immediate Palitinate take over?

After that, many Protestant princes will jump at the chance of dealing with the Austrians, leading to support from Denmark and Saxony. Bavaria is surrounded, and do to imperial loses the electorship is never offered to them, so they don't enter the war. The Hapsburgs are defeated, Emperor Ferdinand II is forced to abdicate, and Frederick is declared Emperor by the majority Protestant electors.
Frederick 5. was married to Elizabeth, daughter of Jacob 1. of England and Anna - sister of Christian 4. of Denmark.
One problem seems to have been the King of England not being able to aid his family - neigher Frederick 5. 1619-20 or Christian 4. 1624-29. Somehow you have to solve the differences between Parliament and King.
Many north German princes were alienated to Christian 4. because of his securing of adequate estates for his brothers meant occupying former catholic bishoprics gone secular. Denmark was acting tough on the north Germans and they didn't like his taking part in the Thirty Years War. It would give Christian too much prestige if he came out victorious.
The Netherlands also would like somebody to fight the Catholic but they were fighting Spain and had sparse resources to contribute.
Denmark and Sweden were watching each others back, looking for any sign of weeknes on the other.
Sweden were engaged heavily in Poland from 1620-30 and had been so for decades before.
Problem is you have to dig deeper to come up with a solution - who'd give Frederick 5. the needed help? British - Dutch - Danish - Swedish?
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