Best World after WWI
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I am assuming you are talking about OTL WWI. So Germany lost, and Russia is trying to be communist. Along with everything else...
- Wilson tries harder to work within the international community. By this I mean he does not arrive with his "I know better then the world," attitude. Wilson also keeps congress on top of things and how the League of Nations is going along, so the USA will be inclined to join it.
-The Whites win the RCW, and look to the League of Nations to over see a fair election.
-German is not given blame for WWI, and while many want reparations, in the end the world sees improving the world economy as better.
-Americans are checked before they head over to France so the flu never hits europe.
-The Middle East is divided up, but the locals are given a say in what is and is not a country.
- Japan is given not just rights to former German colonies, but the claims to them as well.
-The league of Nations charter includes a racial eqaulity clause, not forcing other nations to change their laws, but atleast respect foriegners under the law.
- Wilson tries harder to work within the international community. By this I mean he does not arrive with his "I know better then the world," attitude. Wilson also keeps congress on top of things and how the League of Nations is going along, so the USA will be inclined to join it.
-The Whites win the RCW, and look to the League of Nations to over see a fair election.
-German is not given blame for WWI, and while many want reparations, in the end the world sees improving the world economy as better.
-Americans are checked before they head over to France so the flu never hits europe.
-The Middle East is divided up, but the locals are given a say in what is and is not a country.
- Japan is given not just rights to former German colonies, but the claims to them as well.
-The league of Nations charter includes a racial eqaulity clause, not forcing other nations to change their laws, but atleast respect foriegners under the law.
Hapsburg
Banned
Hmmm? Something like this?
My additions include an autonomous French North Africa, a united German Republic (a united german people is a happy german people); and a split Russia, with a less directly communist Socialist Russia. Tsarist Russia still controls much of the Baltics, though keeps them as autonomous regions. Also, Hungary stays a monarchy, with Karl fleeing to Budapest rather than Switzerland. Plus, other stuff.
My additions include an autonomous French North Africa, a united German Republic (a united german people is a happy german people); and a split Russia, with a less directly communist Socialist Russia. Tsarist Russia still controls much of the Baltics, though keeps them as autonomous regions. Also, Hungary stays a monarchy, with Karl fleeing to Budapest rather than Switzerland. Plus, other stuff.
Versailles has to be more like the Congress of Vienna, Germany must be represented in the final negociations, not just handed a list of demands. The wartime secret treaties have to be disgarded or at least subject to negociations at the "Congress of Versailles." Reparations have to be strictly limited, and territorial losses inflicted on Germany should also be either limited or called off entirely, at least german-majority regions should not be forcibly removed.
In order for this to take place, France has to be weakened, the German position strengthened, and the American position strengthened, and Wilson made more pragmatic. Prussia after the Napoleonic wars also wanted to punish France, but was too weak to make the Congress do so. France has to be rendered similarly weak, maybe have paris taken and the French government collapsed, but allied troops carried on to victory.
In order for this to take place, France has to be weakened, the German position strengthened, and the American position strengthened, and Wilson made more pragmatic. Prussia after the Napoleonic wars also wanted to punish France, but was too weak to make the Congress do so. France has to be rendered similarly weak, maybe have paris taken and the French government collapsed, but allied troops carried on to victory.
Fletch
Kicked
The Best World.
A Better Germany
-The Allies Dont stop in 1918, and invade Germany, meaning the Hitlerite myth of the stab in the back is destroyed.
-The Kaiser is returned to the throne, ala Japan in 1945, with an allied occupation force, I feel this would ensure a bit of stability, also meaning no Fuhrer figure could emerge.
-Germany given a federal Democracy ala Australia
-The repayments not as harsh.
-Germany given grants to rebuild, not loans.
A Better Britain
-America writes off a portion of the war debt.
-Imperial Preference takes hold throughout the Empire, ensuring Sterling maintains its position as worlds leading currency.
-Votes for Women agreed by Lloyd George, Liberal Party accepts certain Labour Measures, eventually merging with the Labour Party, ensuring that Britain is not dominated by the Conservatives for years.
A Better France
-Both America and Britain write off a portion of the war debt.
-France agrees free trade area with Germany making war far more difficult.
-Servicemen rebuild France, reducing unemployment.
A Better America
-I think America got everything it wanted out of the great war.
A Better Russia
-The Romanovs do not fall, Russia evolves into a constitutional monarchy.
A Better Italy
-Mussolini is killed, no Facsist breakthrough
A Better Germany
-The Allies Dont stop in 1918, and invade Germany, meaning the Hitlerite myth of the stab in the back is destroyed.
-The Kaiser is returned to the throne, ala Japan in 1945, with an allied occupation force, I feel this would ensure a bit of stability, also meaning no Fuhrer figure could emerge.
-Germany given a federal Democracy ala Australia
-The repayments not as harsh.
-Germany given grants to rebuild, not loans.
A Better Britain
-America writes off a portion of the war debt.
-Imperial Preference takes hold throughout the Empire, ensuring Sterling maintains its position as worlds leading currency.
-Votes for Women agreed by Lloyd George, Liberal Party accepts certain Labour Measures, eventually merging with the Labour Party, ensuring that Britain is not dominated by the Conservatives for years.
A Better France
-Both America and Britain write off a portion of the war debt.
-France agrees free trade area with Germany making war far more difficult.
-Servicemen rebuild France, reducing unemployment.
A Better America
-I think America got everything it wanted out of the great war.
A Better Russia
-The Romanovs do not fall, Russia evolves into a constitutional monarchy.
A Better Italy
-Mussolini is killed, no Facsist breakthrough
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what would be the best way to stop the Great Depression from happening? Stop that, and you put an end to Hitler and Mussolini...
this is my Idea of the best world after WW1
RUSSIA
-The soviet Union forms more democraticly not to say it is not a communist nation it is it just allows more democry in the country, IE electing top leaders every so years.
Germany
-The German Revolution succudes and establishes the second communist nation.
-Germany is given grants instead of loans.
-The allies help rebuild with germany.
France
-Both America and Britain write off a portion of the war debt.
-France agrees free trade area with Germany making war far more difficult.
-Servicemen rebuild France, reducing unemployment.
Britian
-Britian willing gives up ireland.
-Votes for Women agreed by Lloyd George, Liberal Party accepts a lot more Labour Measures, eventually merging with the Labour Party, ensuring that Britain is not dominated by the Conservatives for years.
Hungary
-The Hungarian revolution succudes and establishes the third communist nation.
-Help with the allies and germany to rebuild following the war.
America
-America congress agress to League of nations.
-Wilson's 14 points are more accepted.
-America does not withdraw into isolation.
Italy
-Mussolini is killed, no Facsist breakthrough
RUSSIA
-The soviet Union forms more democraticly not to say it is not a communist nation it is it just allows more democry in the country, IE electing top leaders every so years.
Germany
-The German Revolution succudes and establishes the second communist nation.
-Germany is given grants instead of loans.
-The allies help rebuild with germany.
France
-Both America and Britain write off a portion of the war debt.
-France agrees free trade area with Germany making war far more difficult.
-Servicemen rebuild France, reducing unemployment.
Britian
-Britian willing gives up ireland.
-Votes for Women agreed by Lloyd George, Liberal Party accepts a lot more Labour Measures, eventually merging with the Labour Party, ensuring that Britain is not dominated by the Conservatives for years.
Hungary
-The Hungarian revolution succudes and establishes the third communist nation.
-Help with the allies and germany to rebuild following the war.
America
-America congress agress to League of nations.
-Wilson's 14 points are more accepted.
-America does not withdraw into isolation.
Italy
-Mussolini is killed, no Facsist breakthrough
Fletch
Kicked
Mussolini was in Power before the depression. Writing off a section of the war debt would ensure the rest of the world is less affected.
Faeelin
Banned
[/quote]Versailles has to be more like the Congress of Vienna, Germany must be represented in the final negociations, not just handed a list of demands. The wartime secret treaties have to be disgarded or at least subject to negociations at the "Congress of Versailles." Reparations have to be strictly limited, and territorial losses inflicted on Germany should also be either limited or called off entirely, at least german-majority regions should not be forcibly removed. [/quote]
Mmm. The only way I could see this is with a Red Poland.
But what German majority regions were removed? Posen and the Danzig Corridor, maybe.
Mmm. The only way I could see this is with a Red Poland.
But what German majority regions were removed? Posen and the Danzig Corridor, maybe.
Faeelin
Banned
Revive international trade and cooperation in the interwar period? Maybe keep nations from going back on the gold reserve?
If the Great depression had been averted, the Weimar republic MIGHT have survived, as Germany, itself better off, would have been negotiating reductions in reparations with richer countries more willing to forgive debts and make nicer loans.
I think that the Fascist experiment in Italy would have been irrelevent (other than to Italians and parts of Noerth Africa) in the 'big picture' after that.
A sucessful Weimar means that nearly all of western Europe would be democratic, and MAY have acted as enough of deterrent to Stalin to prevent a major European war in the 30s or 40s, so the Soviet communist system may have imploded earlier. OR the need to continually construct sufficient weapons to oppose communist invasions might have driven a very firm European economy for some time.
Now, for all this to work, you have to head off the depression. But there were LOTS of contributing factors. The stock market crash was the trigger, but there was lots of ammo:
1) long depression in agriculture
2) unequal distribution of wealth, between and within countries
3) poorly regulated financial markets
4) unsophisticated (in hindsight) goverment economic policies
5) technology had created huge gaps in traditional 'supply and demand' balances in many sectors of the economy
6) a rapid increase in consumer debt and credit practices
7) etc
So, to remove the Great Depression, you have to deal with all or most of these...
Deter Stalin and prevent a war in the 30's? Construct weapons to oppose communist invasions? The Soviet Union was invaded by Germany! The Fascists started the war! What Soviet invasions of western europe?
Probably the best outcome would be for the US to forgive war debts. France and Britain could then comply with the recommendations of the special commisson and greatly reduce or eliminate German reparations.
Germany's economy would then be strong enough to carry Europe throughout the Depression.
Germany's economy would then be strong enough to carry Europe throughout the Depression.
Wasn't the "Treaty of Versaille", ultimately the root of WWII? I've always thought so. Germany was place in a position that it couldn't dig its way out of. All the reparations being moved around, but no substantial cash ever really got payed.
France got the right to choke out Germany in the Saar and the Ruhr. Another analogy is what the US did to Japan before WWII, denied them the Oil and Raw materials they needed to keep thier economy functioning.
IMO, nobody realized how desparate these people were.
France got the right to choke out Germany in the Saar and the Ruhr. Another analogy is what the US did to Japan before WWII, denied them the Oil and Raw materials they needed to keep thier economy functioning.
IMO, nobody realized how desparate these people were.
Free silver!
Economics is the key. A combination of free trade and easy money would have prevented most of the economic pain and social collapse that was at the root of support for totalitarian movements, as well as relieve the anxiety about access to resources that was at the heart of most schemes for foreign conquest.
At the end of World War I, most governments did the two worst things they could have done - erect barriers to trade and tighten credit. Ironically, the first of these involved a rejection one key tenet of pre-war economics (i.e. "free trade is good") and the second the retention of another ("easy money is bad").
Economics is the key. A combination of free trade and easy money would have prevented most of the economic pain and social collapse that was at the root of support for totalitarian movements, as well as relieve the anxiety about access to resources that was at the heart of most schemes for foreign conquest.
At the end of World War I, most governments did the two worst things they could have done - erect barriers to trade and tighten credit. Ironically, the first of these involved a rejection one key tenet of pre-war economics (i.e. "free trade is good") and the second the retention of another ("easy money is bad").