Russia and the Posleen

[Agentdark]

Okay, this is just a quick question about the Posleen in Russia, that perhaps i missed, considering the only posleen book I have yet to read is hells faire...

1.Did Russia Reform the Red Army or the Soviet Union entirly

2.Did Russia get alot of Galtec

3.How much of the Russian population was moved to the enterior

[Evilmittens]

I dont think much was said at all. It is a pretty obvious open point though. It is said somewhere in Dance with the Devil that pretty much only the USA is left as a "nation". That being said, it is noted later on that Minnesota and north (Canada) is left alone due to the weather. Wouldnt it suffice it to say that the Posleen are leaving quite a bit of Russia alone then due to the similar weather patterns? I am positive that Russia could easily build suburbs, or even above ground cities, in the North and defend their lands against the posleen in the winter.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Originally Posted by Evilmittens

I dont think much was said at all. It is a pretty obvious open point though. It is said somewhere in Dance with the Devil that pretty much only the USA is left as a "nation". That being said, it is noted later on that Minnesota and north (Canada) is left alone due to the weather. Wouldnt it suffice it to say that the Posleen are leaving quite a bit of Russia alone then due to the similar weather patterns? I am positive that Russia could easily build suburbs, or even above ground cities, in the North and defend their lands against the posleen in the winter.

And the fact that the Posleen don't really attack Russia with any force until the final wave will help them a lot. Still, according to the maps I've seen, pretty much everything south of St. Petersburg is Posleen-held, and according to the timeline, Nizhny-Novgorod (Gorky) falls as well, so the Posleen are pretty far east. I imagine that it's a seasonal thing for them. They advance pretty far in the summer/spring (not enough troops to stem the tide over such a large area) then retreat in the fall/winter as the weather turns bad.

The idea of Sub-Urbs is a good one -- it's canonical that Sub-Urbs were constructed in Antarctica, so there are probably some built in Sibera/above the Arctic Circle as well. As to the references about the "Red Army" as the defenders of Russia, I imagine that while the Soviet Union wasn't restored, the Russian government was quick to restore the symbols and name of the Red Army as a moral-booster. There are no doubt plenty of rejuved Soviet soldiers and generals, and I'm sure there are plenty of "Guard" infantry and tank divisions as well. The fact that we see the country referred to as "Russia," and not the Soviet Union, means that latter country probably wasn't restored entirely -- just the Army.

[Agentdark]

Okay, cool thankyou, that would make since..

So hmm, perhaps the Urals, and everything in the artic circle does well, so Russia still has Archangelsk and a few other major cities in tact, and would have gotten alot of its population to those cities in relative good time I would imagine....

[Evilmittens]

Originally Posted by Agentdark

Okay, cool thankyou, that would make since..

So hmm, perhaps the Urals, and everything in the artic circle does well, so Russia still has Archangelsk and a few other major cities in tact, and would have gotten alot of its population to those cities in relative good time I would imagine....

Fair guess I think Agent Dark....though one question to ask...WOULD they have moved that population or let them be fodder for the Posleen to slow them down???

Urals is a great idea though, perfect with what is known.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Originally Posted by Evilmittens

Fair guess I think Agent Dark....though one question to ask...WOULD they have moved that population or let them be fodder for the Posleen to slow them down???

Urals is a great idea though, perfect with what is known.

Absolutely. There's also a canonical fanfic (one of the ones on the CD, which I highly recommend) about a fragment surviving in the Caucuses near "Firebase Grozny." I'm not going to spoil the story, but if unorganized fragments and mafia-funded Galtech can survive, then it shouldn't be trouble for the Russians to live in the Urals, even though they aren't much better than the Appalachians (weather notwithstanding).

[Agentdark]

I would say the weather is the key in that situation..I really want to see a Posleen story set in Russia..
I think the Russians would evacute parts of their population from European Russia, and leave the Ukrainians, Belarussians..etc etc to slow the Posleen down.....

[Timmy811]

Originally Posted by Agentdark

Okay, this is just a quick question about the Posleen in Russia, that perhaps i missed, considering the only posleen book I have yet to read is hells faire...

1.Did Russia Reform the Red Army or the Soviet Union entirly

Given that one of the initial five globes landed in Uzbekistan and marched on Tashkent, I'm sure the Russians intervened in a big way and reaquired defacto if not total control of the Stans. At least until the main waves landed and kicked them out.

[Evilmittens]

Still not sure about that. There are so many comments about the rest of humanity besides the USA being down to a few holdouts in mountains. I like these books, but lets face it, Ringo is Ameriwank to the extreme. Russia would be more like what Agentdark and Amerigo describe. I think they would be far better off and will be looking for the fan fic asap...besides Chris's which I hope gets published someday.

[Slacker]

Ah, here's the key. According to the American persepective in the books, everyone outside the US is down to a few mountain holdouts.

The D20 book that was published online tells a different story. The Brits hold out in Scotland, most of Scandinavia is safe. Japan apparently survives almost unscathed. Switzerland holds out, along with significant forces in the Alps and Balkans. The Russians are already covered. The Chinese presence in Tibet, while sort of glossed over, is mentioned to be somewhat significant. Large chunks of Southeast Asia don't exactly hold out, but the Posleen don't exactly overrun them, either-the islands of Indonesia are not Posleen-friendly territory. Australia's gone, but I believe New Zealand remains intact, mostly because the Posleen never bother with it, and I get the impression that Chile, because it's almost all mountain, survives sort of intact.

The United States, as a percentage, does hold onto the most of its territory, aside from the Arctic countries and Japan, but they're not the only ones with a functional government left. Or so the canonical fluff in the RPG book said, it's been a bit since I read it.

[Faeelin]

I guess Europe was trashed?

And, err, could some one explain this series to me? Some books are set a thousand years in the future; others are set today.

[Agentdark]

Europe got owned, but the Germans did well until the very end...

The d20 makes the most since, and also it appears that Korea and the Carribean survived almost intact as well....

[Slacker]

Yeah, Europe for the most part got extremely wrecked. The Scandinavians held out, as did the Swiss. Brits in northern Scotland, scattered other enclaves in the Balkans and the Alps. Iberia, France, Italy, the Low Countries, Germany, Eastern Europe, all got eaten. The Poles held out at the Vistula and the Germans at the Rhine until the, what, Third Wave, and then it was pretty much a slow retreat to Scandinavia via Denmark.

I forgot about the Koreans, actually. But when you combine DPRK mole-people mentality with Western technology against the ultimate Horde army assaulting along the Yalu, well...the results are kinda predictable.