Challenge: A Brazilian superpower

Brazil unites South American in the early 20th century, becomes a major player in World War II on the Allied side, and its extra troops help the Americans capture Berlin. Brazil's army by now controls sizable chunks of Germany, and in 1946 the Western Allies, the Soviet Union, and Brazil all get into a major war over the fate of Europe. I know its unlikely, but I couldn't really think of anything better.
 
Evil Opus said:
Brazil unites South American in the early 20th century, becomes a major player in World War II on the Allied side, and its extra troops help the Americans capture Berlin. Brazil's army by now controls sizable chunks of Germany
To get its own occupation zone, Brazil would have to put a million men in the field as America, the Soviet Union and the British Empire claimed to have, or be a major power like France. Brazil did and was not. In fact, it get no really supply its own troops in Italy. The Americans did that.
 

Straha

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Have napoleon win in europe. with europe industrializing as fast as britain did in OTL that means more rapid population growth so brazil/argentina/chile/colombia are all able to prosper from immigration like how the US did.
 
Straha said:
Have napoleon win in europe. with europe industrializing as fast as britain did in OTL that means more rapid population growth so brazil/argentina/chile/colombia are all able to prosper from immigration like how the US did.

Think it would be doubtful that Europe would be able to industrialize at all under Napoleon, or at least at a far slower pace than in OTL.
 

HueyLong

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Give Brazil the Portuguese West African colonies. Almost happened, and the Brazilians really wanted them. It keeps their flow of slaves going, as well as opens up the resources of Africa for exploitation.
 

HueyLong

Banned
With a cheap supply of them, yes. The thing that made it a negative was a lack of any cheap and abundant supply of them.

Add that in with the fact that Brazilian slaveowners normally supported industry, and you have a scary power on the rise.
 
The problem with the slave trade is that the British were against it and even though Brazil in OTL wanted to keep the trade alive, Britain threatened to blockade Brazil's ports in 1852 to supress it.

Slavery was one of the reasons that Brazil was and is one of the reasons that Brazil does have the economic woes it does. Slavery created a large plantation economy dominated that had very little industry. Power and wealth rested in the hands of a small minority.

When slavery was abolished is when Brazil's economy actually began growing. After 1889 hundereds of thousands of Italians came to Brazil to work on the coffee plantations of São Paulo state. Because of the coffee boom, other immigrants poured into the country, and Brazil experienced the largest net migration in history after the United States.

With slavery you wouldn't have the need to industrialise. The wealth and power would remain in the Northeast. Slavery tends to make elites lazy, and the more an economy is dominated by slaves the poorer it tends to be in the post-slavery period. Just look at the U.S., Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, the states where slavery dominated were the least innovative and industrialised in the post-1865 period. A cheap supply of labour is good, but you need economic mobility and meritocracy to really achieve prosperity. Or else you just have a relatively stagnant economy with a large underclass.
 

Redbeard

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At around year 1900 Brazil actually was well underway to Great Power status. then Brazilian economy was booming from the highly profitable rubber industry. Brazil even had an ambitious naval programme incl. dreadnought battleships (THE symbol of great power status then), but most was spent on luxuries like a world class operahouse in the middle of the jungle at Manaus.

Then a few years into the 20th century the rubber market collapsed as new plantations in first of all Malaya could offer the products cheaper.

So for PoDs we need the plantations in Malaya to be a decade or two late, and the profit made in Brazil need to first of all be invested in infrastructure, education and industry. The first could probably be arranged, but the second one is tricky in a culture giving priority to samba and life at the beach - and who says they're not right?

Regards

Steffen Redbeard
 
I was tinking about an odd oppertunity. Angola is on the other side of the Atlantic, it was a Portugeese collony. Brazil speaks portugeese. So if they for some reason take over when the Portugeese leaves?
 
Redbeard said:
At around year 1900 Brazil actually was well underway to Great Power status. then Brazilian economy was booming from the highly profitable rubber industry. Brazil even had an ambitious naval programme incl. dreadnought battleships (THE symbol of great power status then), but most was spent on luxuries like a world class operahouse in the middle of the jungle at Manaus.
It would have to industrialise and do it about the same time as Canada. If it leaves it later, like Argentina it would be caught the fall out from the Great Depression.

Assuming, it is now a small manufacturing as well as a large agricultural power, its next opportunity would be to do metal bashing for the Americans in the Second World War. That would give it access to Yankee know what on the cheap.

Come the Cold War, it can vie with Britain and France to who can be the biggest of the little 'uns.
 
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