The Rise of the N.S.F.G.R.

[Max Sinister]

Such a coalition certainly would defeat the Soviets. Germany (+ other Axis members) was bad enough, and they had to fight Britain and later the US at the same time. A grand western super-coalition would win, although millions would have to die for it (more on the Soviet side).

[Kaiser James I]

And then eternal Peace would reign throughout the World?

[Sgt. Pepper]

Originally Posted by Kaiser James I

Yes, and then maybe an anti-communist World War II would break out earlier in the 1930s? Would then Britain, France, Italy, and America ally with Germany against the Soviets? How bad could it get?

Hitler actually thought that Britain and the US would "see reason" and back him in a war against communism...but the west saw him as being more a threat...with a different, less agressive leader at the helm, maybe we could see such an alliance...though drop Italy, Italy would have nothing to gain...also drop the US, too much isolationism

In order for the alliance to happen though, Britain and France would have to be certain that Germany doesn't plan to annex large portions of Russia after the war...

If it does come off though, say goodbye to Stalin...

[Kaiser James I]

And what about Japan? Japan might come in to annex the provinces of eastern Russia.








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[Kaiser James I]

What do you think?

[ninebucks]

I don't think a 'compromise' was ever going to occur after the Russian Civil War, people wanted an extreme solution to their extreme problems, not any more weak compromises from squabbling politicians. If there was going to be a left wing Russia, it was going to be the Russia of Lenin and Stalin, likewise, if there was going to be a right wing Russia, it was going to be just as extreme.

As for the name: how about simply, The Rus'publika? Its to-the-point, it claims sovereignty over the entire geographically ambiguous Rus', not just Russia... although I'm not sure how keen Russian fascists would be to use a pun as their nation's official name...

[Homer]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Pepper

Hitler actually thought that Britain and the US would "see reason" and back him in a war against communism...but the west saw him as being more a threat...with a different, less agressive leader at the helm, maybe we could see such an alliance...though drop Italy, Italy would have nothing to gain...also drop the US, too much isolationism

In order for the alliance to happen though, Britain and France would have to be certain that Germany doesn't plan to annex large portions of Russia after the war...

If it does come off though, say goodbye to Stalin...

The problem is Poland: Any German leader would try to get back the territories lost in 1918. And any Russian leader would try to get the territories lost to Poland as well. So Germany and Russia share the same goals: Poland. Hence to get Germany and the western powers together, you'd need a different solution for Poland then OTL's.

[Norman]

Originally Posted by Homer

The problem is Poland: Any German leader would try to get back the territories lost in 1918. And any Russian leader would try to get the territories lost to Poland as well. So Germany and Russia share the same goals: Poland. Hence to get Germany and the western powers together, you'd need a different solution for Poland then OTL's.

How about a Polish "Protectorate", with Poland still nominally independent. Perhaps the threat from the East becomes so great that the Western powers determine that there is no hope at that moment for an independent Polish state. Although they don't like the solution, they see it as better than an aggressive expansion of the Russian state into Western Europe.

[plikma]

http://ib.frath.net/w/Russia

This happened in a AH called ill bethisad do you no it?

[Kaiser James I]

Okay? That makes sense.

[MarshalBraginsky]

Originally Posted by Burton K Wheeler

For an excellent Fascist Russia timeline, check out "Fire Eagle, Snow Bear" from the old board. It's not complete, but there's been some interest in reviving it.

I was wondering if there is a map of this Russia with Gridenko as the Vozhd, and a flag as well? Also, I've started to read the old threads that were provided.

[Marc Pasquin]

Originally Posted by Kaiser James I

What if the White Forces in the Russian Civil War triumphed over the Red Bolshevik Forces in the early to mid 1920s? What if Russian leaders like Baron Roman Nicolaus von Ungern-Sternberg, Admiral Aleksandr Vasiliyevich Kolchak, General Aleksei Maksimovich Kaledin, General Nikolai Nikolaevich Yudenich, and Lieutenant General Anton Ivanovich Denikin then set up a Fascist Russian State?

see here:

http://ib.frath.net/w/SNOR