AHC: Transylvania stays with Hungary

With a POD in 1900, make a scenario where Hungary "retains" Transylvania.
Half a point if T stays with Romania, but stronger autonomy movement than OTL.
 
Bulgaria enters WWI on the side of the Entente. This and a more successful Gallipoli knocks the Ottomans out of the war. Seeing that the tide is turning in the Entente's favour, Romania joins it. With the Entente applying pressure not only in Trieste and Galicia but also all along the southern border, Austria-Hungary signs a separate peace in order to get away with more lenient terms. Italy gets Trieste and nearby areas, Serbia gets Bosnia and maybe parts of Voivodina. Romania receives Bukovina, to which Russia agrees under the condition that it gets Teschen in addition to Galicia. Transylvania remains in Hungary.
 
Or you just have Romania staying neutral in WWI. Or even joining on the CP side, but that would require someone deciding that Bessarabia is more important than Transylvania?
 
Or you just have Romania staying neutral in WWI.

Even if Romania is neutral Hungary,is still bad,so Romania still gets Transylvania (may be not as much)

Or even joining on the CP side, but that would require someone deciding that Bessarabia is more important than Transylvania?

If Romania joins the CP then Romania is bad,but Hungary is also bad,which means that Hungary still doesn't keeps Transylvania,
 
Independent Transylvania?

I doubt it. If both Hungary and Romania are on the losing side, I don't think anyone will care about their disputes. Pretty much everyone in Transylvania wanted to be in Hungary or Romania, so even if someone somehow decides to create a separate Transylvania (why? the only vaguely plausible reason I can think of is if Hungary or Romania go red and Transylvania becomes a non-red remnant) it will gravitate one way or the other, or split.
 
Or you just have Romania staying neutral in WWI. Or even joining on the CP side, but that would require someone deciding that Bessarabia is more important than Transylvania?

This is plausible, because...

1. The King of Romania was a Hohenzollern.
2. Romania's involvement in WWI was a huge failfuck. Despite being surrounded on all sides by the Central Powers they proclaimed "Romania stronk!" and joined the Entente. They were subdued in five months. It depends on the temperment of the Romanian government, but they could probably be convinced of the writing on the wall and remain neutral (joining the Central Powers seems unlikely, considering one of the Central Powers being in possession of their clay; Italy had a falling out with them for similar reasons).

However...

1. If the Central Powers still lose, Romania may still get Transylvania. Self-determination and all that.
2. If the Central Powers win, Austria-Hungary is still headed for collapse. Whether Hungary retains Transylvania depends on how strong their position is when Austria-Hungary breaks up, and whether or not it's a bloody breakup or just a mild divorce.
 
Independent Transylvania?

No in both case (of Romania neutral or central ) the thing that changes is how much dose Romania gets ( Hungary loses),and the way Transylvania joins,with a Romania neutral (or central ) there is a better chance that the Alba-Iulia resolution will be respected,thus the future great Romania will be a less centralized state


II. The National Assembly grants to the territories mentioned above provisional autonomy until the meeting of the Constituency chosen by suffrage universal.

III. Regarding this matter, the National Assembly proclaims the following fundamental principles for the foundation of the new Romanian State:

Full national freedom for all the co-inhabiting peoples. Each people will study, manage and judge in its own language by individual of its own stock and each people will get the right to be represented in the law bodies and to govern the country in accordance with the number of its people.
Equal rights and full autonomous religious freedom for all the religions in the State.
Full democratic system in all the realms of public life. Suffrage universal, direct, equal, secret, in each commune, proportionally, for both sexes, 21 years old at the representation in communes, counties or parliament.
Full freedom of the press, association and meeting, free propaganda of all human thoughts.
Radical agrarian reform. All the assets, above all the big ones, will be inscribed. The wills by which the heir consigns the land to a third party will be abolished; meanwhile, on the basis of the right to cut down estates freely, the peasant will be able to his own property (ploughing land, pasture, forest), at least one for him and his family to labour on. The guiding principle of this agrarian policy is promoting social evening, on the one hand, and giving force to production, on the other.
The industrial workers will be granted the same rights and privileges that are in force in the most advanced western industrial states.

http://www.cimec.ro/Istorie/Unire/rezo_eng.htm

I doubt it. If both Hungary and Romania are on the losing side, I don't think anyone will care about their disputes. Pretty much everyone in Transylvania wanted to be in Hungary or Romania, so even if someone somehow decides to create a separate Transylvania (why? the only vaguely plausible reason I can think of is if Hungary or Romania go red and Transylvania becomes a non-red remnant) it will gravitate one way or the other, or split.

One of them did become red Hungary so there is a chance that Romania will get as much as in otl.

The King of Romania was a Hohenzollern.

Yes the King was a Hohenzollern but the Queen was British

"Romania stronk!" and joined the Entente.

There where a few promises that staid behind the "Romania Stronk" claim,there is the Entente promise that they will arm Romania,there Romania was promise that Bulgaria will not intervene in the war,by Russia,and that there offensive will be supported by the rest of the allies with the Salonika offensive,and then there was the pressure of the Entente to join or they (Romania),will not be part of the peace negotiations.

Thus the August 11, 1916, France and Russia signed a secret agreement designed to prevent full participation of Romania in the future peace conference. In July 1916 another secret agreement concluded between France and the UK which stated that Romania should not receive military aid from Thessaloniki, unless they attack simultaneously and Bulgaria. [18]: p. 345 [31]

Translated by Google from
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participarea_României_la_Primul_Război_Mondial
 
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