The Island - P&S: Louisiana, Mississippi, Beaumont/Port Arthur, TX

Introduction
I've been doing some research over the last few days before starting this thread as a stand-alone.

The quickest way I can describe this timeline is to think of it as a mixture of the Old Breed (US Marine Corps) and friends (aka military retirees from all services) with a dash of the Bayou Perdu Knights of Columbus thrown in for irreverence...the POD will be mid 1983 when Gen Barrow and BGen McIlhenny start looking at preparedness issues...

the old guys with long memories will start a scrounging operation when mobilization begins and start heading to Avery Island...they are going to have one big advantage in helping out and re-establishing command and control...they will not be restricted by Title 32, USC (National Guard) and they will be able to cross state lines...

The real life cast of characters already in the mix:

Walter S. McIlhenny, Brigadier General, USMCR (Ret), awarded the Navy Cross on Guadalcanal, president and CEO of the McIhnenny Company (Tabasco sauce)...

Archbishop Philip M. Hannan of New Orleans, WW2 veteran, regimental chaplain in the 82d Airborne Division, had to run relief efforts to concentration camps after liberation in 1945...

Robert S. Barrow, General, USMC, retiring as Commandant of the Corps in June, 1983...

Senator Russell Long, Huey's son and ranking member of the US Senate from Louisiana...

and remember what Jeff Foxworthy says about people from Louisiana...put them next to a drainage ditch and they'll never starve...
 
*Cautiously walks in*

Is this a Protect and Survive spin-off...:eek:?

yep...going to try and fill in a hole...other P&S threads talk about a surviving Louisiana government...haven't seen anyone talk about Mississippi

and it seems to be P&S canon that Lake Charles, LA, Port Arthur, TX and Beaumont, TX came through OK....I can't count the number of oil refineries and petrochemical plants that made it through in that area

salt mines in south and southwest Louisiana (including Avery Island, which also has oil wells)

what we do know is that Shreveport is the Louisiana equivalent of Omaha (Barksdale AFB) and the Alexandria (England AFB)/Fort Polk area took very heavy damage as well...Louisiana National Guard command and control virtually decapitated with the loss of Camp Beauregard and Jackson Barracks...

Here's a quick summary of what I think the rest of Louisiana and Mississippi look like...

New Orleans - ground zero around Michoud (no more shuttle tanks)...but the GNO and Huey Long Bridges (particularly the WAY overengineered NOLA Huey) are intact...Jackson Barracks very heavily damaged

Baton Rouge - ground zero two or three miles north of the EXXON refinery, refinery VERY heavily damaged, damage to the north roadway of the BR Huey Long Bridge...

Lafayette - ground zero between mile markers 110 and 115 on Interstate 10

Mississippi Gulf coast heavily hit....Columbus AFB and I-20 corridor (Meridian, Jackson, Vicksburg) hit...Vicksburg ground zero northeast of battlefield park...railway bridge minor damage, some damage to Vicksburg Division, US Army Corps of Engineers; supercomputing center at Waterways Experiment Station exterior damage

somewhere in the Natchez area got hit....what will they do without all those "Em-pirah period arm-wohs" to show to tourists during pilgrimage?

I will explain what survived in my next post...
 
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Don't forget about one person (assuming he's not dead):

Governor Edwin (aka Fast Eddie) Edwards, the guy who famously said: "The only way I can lose is if I'm caught with a dead girl or a live boy."

And, in OTL, ran ads against David Duke saying "Vote for the crook. It's important."

Looking forward to the TL...:D

BTW, what are the sizes of the nuclear explosions?

Also, where is mile marker 103 on Interstate 10 in Lafayette?
 
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Don't forget about one person (assuming he's not dead):

Governor Edwin (aka Fast Eddie) Edwards, the guy who famously said: "The only way I can lose is if I'm caught with a dead girl or a live boy."

Looking forward to the TL...:D

BTW, what are the sizes of the nuclear explosions?

Also, where is mile marker 103 on Interstate 10 in Lafayette?

I'm hoping that Ed-wanh was gambling in Vegas at the time of the attack

Exit 103 is the last exit on I-10 before getting on the 25 mile bridge across the Atchafalaya Basin....general Lafayette area

I've gone from 100-250 KT for the detonations to the 800 KT used in the SS 25...does that sound reasonable to the group? Can't see using anything bigger for secondary and tertiary targets. Considering what's been used against what the Soviets saw as key targets.

Interestingly enough, from what I see already in the timeline, Hattiesburg AND Camp Shelby, MS survived undamaged...

Another resource unique to the Louisiana-Texas area, Petroleum Helicopters, Inc (now known as PHI)...so there would be a LARGE number of rotary wing aircraft available....

If this would have actually happened at that time, I would have been a field artillery battery commander in the vicinity of Bad Hersfeld (Fulda Gap) as my initial deployment position...

as a youngster, I was a Pershing Missile crewman and made a live fire shoot in 1971...will never forget the safety film we were showed the night before we fired, which showed what could happen if a launch screwed up...
so I wonder how many missiles: 1) actually got out of the silos in the first place; 2) had malfunctions early in flight that ended up with them crashing without delivery...
 
1 - Military Journal Article
Anyway, I'm not a particularly good writer of dialogue, so this will be written as an article for a military staff journal...so here we geaux again

From Military Journal, Joint Command and Staff College March 2014

Joint Forces Command South Central United States
A Study in Military Unorthodoxy

We're from Louisiana, we do things different...

The virtually uninterrupted control of state government in parts of Louisiana, Mississippi, and into the southeastern corner of Texas was due to several factors besides the good fortune of having several cities with key industrial and natural resources surviving undamaged.

Discussions over the summer of 1983 which led to activating a Joint Forces Command Headquarters built around the Naval Reserve Forces Command, Marine Reserve Forces Command and 4th Marine Division, 377th Theater Area Support Command, and the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard. By the time of the nuclear exchange, a command post had been established on Avery Island, Louisiana. Other command and control elements were set up in Hammond, Louisiana and Brookhaven, Tupelo, and Grenada in Mississippi. After the nuclear exchange and reestablishment of communication with southeast Texas, an additional command post was established in Beaumont.

The use of overlooked personnel resources such as retired military members and Reserve Officer Training Corps cadets from area universities and high schools provided cadre for a federal and state military capability when most of the Selected Reserve was mobilized and deployed.

The stories that are told of how this force was equipped and later trained will be covered as well as can be as there are very few survivors alive from a group of men where someone in their late fifties was a youngster. The knowledge of virtually forgotten stocks of weapons and equipment meant that forces were well equipped, even if with second and third line items. The supply runs to Anniston and Red River Army Depots in January, 1984 are legendary and the subject of several books and a movie now in production.




 
Gonna take this to today?

planning on it....parts of this are going to be a total Cajun, Marine, and retiredmilitary wank...

on the other hand, the P&S universe has left a big hole with numerous oil refineries, petrochemical plants, agriculture, salt mines, and even alligator and crawfish farms...

tie it in with a bunch of crusty old Warrant Officers and NCOs who know where everything is...and a bunch of youngsters to teach...the antics of the Bayou Perdu Knights of Columbus have a basis in truth....
 
I wonder if the KKK will make an attempt to take over postwar.

Methinks they will get smacked down if they try, IMO.
 
I wonder if the KKK will make an attempt to take over postwar.

Methinks they will get smacked down if they try, IMO.

:D:D:D well, Angola did make it through undamaged...of course there is always working to repair roads and railroads in Jackson and across the I-20 corridor in LA, MS, and AL...
 
One thing that will be a benefit is that this area will not be in the fallout path of the Midwestern silo and industrial base strikes.
 
One thing that will be a benefit is that this area will not be in the fallout path of the Midwestern silo and industrial base strikes.

absolutely....but what's interesting is the deeper I dig I find more assets that would be useful in this scenairo...I can see Louisiana and Mississippi cooperating pre-war, but Texas...nah....
 
Yeah, I can't see Texas cooperating prewar.

OTOH, postwar, Beaumont/Port Arthur access means the surviving government has access to the government at College Station.

And the Corps of Cadets will be helpful to the military forces of Louisiana.
 
2. Offsite
The 1983 Offsites

The first offsite was an invitation for the Marine Corps to hold a General Officer's meeting at Avery Island, Louisiana. Avery Island is home to the McIlhenny family and TABASCO sauce. The president of the company in 1983 was Brigadier General Walter S. McIlhenny, UCMCR (Ret), who was very well known for his support of the Marine Military Academy and other such endeavors. As the world situation deteriorated in 1983, several other offsites were held focusing on reserve forces and started to include the Navy and Coast Guard.

The critical offsite was held in September of 1983. In order to get all the people who needed to be there, Brig Gen McIlhenny visited Russell Long, who was the senior senator from Louisiana at that time, and had the Corps present a nuclear strike scenario for Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Arkansas. As the briefing progressed, Senator Long became convinced that a contiguous area of Louisiana and Mississippi could survive and the two states needed to cooperate. He then called Trent Lott, his Mississippi counterpart and asked him to come over to his office on a matter of the utmost urgency.

After the briefing Senator Lott asked several questions, among them was what was the National Guard going to be doing? He was reminded that both Mississippi and Louisiana had enhanced brigades that would probably be gone from the states. The only National Guard elements from either state that could be available was the 159th Tactical Fighter Group out of New Orleans, which had the Gulf Coast air defense mission. At that point Brig Gen McIlhenny told the senators that the Navy, Marines and Coast Guard were working together on plans, but to make the plan effective they needed to bring in the Army and Air Force, in particular the Adjutant Generals of both states. Some political arm-twisting need to be applied through political channels to get the Adjutant Generals together to talk about joint planning.

Some other additions were rather serendipitous. While driving across the St. Claude Avenue bridge in New Orleans, one of the planners for the meeting saw a sign for the Army Corps of Engineers, New Orleans District. When he got to Jackson Barracks to speak with his Louisiana National Guard counterpart, he asked and learned that Corps had (and still has a large operation in New Orleans). After the September offsite, "Maybe we need to talk to them too", became the unofficial motto of the planners.
 
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3. Maybe we need to talk to them too
Maybe we need to talk to them too
Autumn, 1983

Organization of command and control was not something that came quickly until the war began in Europe. Throughout the autumn of 1983, the best way things could be described was baby steps. Word went out through law enforcement and emergency management channels to the parish and county sheriffs and emergency managers: do you know who your counterpart is across the state line and to all the other counties/parishes you border?; do you ever talk to them?; how do you communicate with them?; if you don't, start now.

Some local governments caught on faster than others, Plaquemines Parish in Louisiana proved particularly obstinate. The parish president was called in and told in no uncertain terms that if he didn't get on board, command and control would happen through NAS New Orleans and martial law would be declared. He was also reminded that it wouldn't be the first time that the state had to send troops to make them behave, during WW2 Governor Sam Jones had to send the State Guard in.

College football turned out to be a means for the state police forces to really talk to each other. Anytime you see a college football game on television, you see that the head coach is always escorted by a state trooper or two. It just happened that during football season in 1983, whenever schools from Louisiana and Mississippi played each other, there were a few extra state troopers accompanying the football team and band. Part of the procedure that evolved was for the troopers from the other state to visit the local state police headquarters. HBCU football turned out to be just as an effective means of setting up communications as the major schools of the Southeastern Conference.
 
I'm in.

During that time I was at Goodfellow AFB, Texas (San Angelo) instructing in the USAF Signals Intelligence Officer course. Returned from second tour in Korea, commanding a flight, in April 1983.
 
What in the world is going on down there?


For the moment this is a place holder, but this will tell the story of how the Chief of Staff of the Army got read into the idea, the reasons why, and basically told the Chief of Engineers that the Mississippi Valley Division, USACE and the Waterways Experiment Station would be players of course making sure that the COE knew that senators from both sides of the aisle from both states wanted this to happen helped as well....)
 
4. Snippets
Snippets
(will be put into the proper place as the timeline progresses)

WWL radio in New Orleans is a 50,000 watt clear channel AM station. Prewar, at night, the signal could be picked up through most of the continental United States and into Canada.

(Author note: this may be stealing some thunder, but I think it's a good integration point between the various timelines)

During the nuclear exchange, the station antenna farm had some damage that took about a month to repair. WWL went back on the air but only at 2500 watts and was told to hold off increasing power. This was more of an OPSEC measure than anything else. WWL pre-exchange was one of the base stations for Louisiana State University football and was well equipped to be the post-exchange net control station for Gulf States Emergency Radio.

The following is a transcript from the Gulf States Emergency Radio broadcast of XX May, 1984, when WWL went back to full power.

This is WWL, 870 kilohertz AM broadcasting from New Orleans, Louisiana as part of Gulf States Emergency Radio. And now, our National Anthem...

After the completion of the anthem:

WWL is now broadcasting at 50,000 watts as authorized by the Federal Communications Commission. I'm David Tyree and would like to introduce the Governor of Louisiana, Dave Treen.

Treen's remarks, he then introduces the governor of Mississippi, who then introduces the governor of Alabama. Southeast Texas is represented by the Mayor of Beaumont who all make short remarks.

Back to Tyree, who introduces General Robert Barrow, USMC, Commander in Chief, United States Gulf States Command.

"Good evening fellow Americans, I'm Robert Barrow, a United States Marine...it is my privilege to announce tonight, that we have a new President. Elizabeth Dole was sworn in as the 43d President of the United States..."

After the announcement, a panel discussion took place with the elected officials who all recognized Mrs. Dole as the lawful President.
 
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