What kind of POD would be needed to create advanced civilization in Northern Europe ?

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What exactly would need to happen so something with large cities and monuments are built and written laws like hieroglyphics of some writing system appears In Northern Europe (British Isles, Germany, Scandinavia, France) in the Ancient period around same time as Ancient Egypt or later ?

I'm thinking the POD would need to occur in Mesolithic era . There are still alot of things un excavated around these areas and a lot we still don't know about the ancient cultures that resided here but so far nothing has been found to indicate they were more advanced than simple agricultural societies. Aside from Stonehenge .
 
With Scandinavia one problem is climate. There is too short warm period that you could get workable highly developed civilisation.
 

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So unless theres a way to make food plentiful year round their wont be a large civilization appearing. So how about a POD where farming techniques change and a civilization constructs pseudo green houses that enable them to grow year round.
 
Well, firstly keep in mind that the Megalith builders (Stonehenge was far from the only example) certainly did construct impressive monuments.

But really, you need really good agricultural conditions. There's a reason that basically all the major ancient civilizations originated around rivers. Once you have the critical mass of agriculture, then the "year-round" food supply takes care of itself; just store the surplus. Greenhouses require a lot of infrastructure that isn't really practical until you already have a flourishing civilization.
 
There are still alot of things un excavated around these areas and a lot we still don't know about the ancient cultures that resided here but so far nothing has been found to indicate they were more advanced than simple agricultural societies. Aside from Stonehenge .

There is actually a lot more than Stonehenge, its just the most impressive monument to survive. And simple agricultural societies were perfectly capable of building monumental constructions.

Beyond that, how large does your civilization have to be? Some areas in northern europe produce a large food surplus from fishing, but they are not geographically vast.
 
Earlier emergence of a Northern adapted Agricultural complex. Civilizations emerged around southern Agricultural complexes. These crops were tailored to warmer climes and only slowly adapted to spread northward with more temperature tolerant varieties and species being adapted.
 
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wizz up a agriculutral package that aren't that dependent on slowly adapting from Mesopotamian crops ... exactly which crops it should be and how ... i'm not sure, but a contender would cetainly be stuff such as Cattail or other wetland plants
 
I once heard/read that amajor reason that we never found evidence for a early northern European civilization is the wet climate, which makes it easier for those kinds of evidence to rot away. So according to that theory there might have been a northern European civilization, but we simply never found evidence for it.
 
What exactly would need to happen so something with large cities and monuments are built and written laws like hieroglyphics of some writing system appears In Northern Europe (British Isles, Germany, Scandinavia, France) in the Ancient period around same time as Ancient Egypt or later ?

I'm thinking the POD would need to occur in Mesolithic era . There are still alot of things un excavated around these areas and a lot we still don't know about the ancient cultures that resided here but so far nothing has been found to indicate they were more advanced than simple agricultural societies. Aside from Stonehenge .

Maybe some Celts adapt the Hellenic culture and writing system ?
 

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The emergence of the Northern Empires circa 10,000 BCE
POD change in Agriculture production in a Neolithic Northern europe Society.
With The changes in production of several native species The Parsnip and Turnup part of the rutebega family.
Also Mass production of the Mustard seed and the rye grain which grows well in the Northern climate a populationincrease happened when someone decided to mix mustard seed with rye giving it more protein and carbohydrates giving more energy to whomever ate it. This technique spread throughout Northern europe and as populations began to increase so did the societies around them. This led to mass production and storage of foodstuffs for the winter along with the domestication of several animal species.
EDIT mixed the seeds with rye bread not the plants.
The early City states to develop were the Buhasil,Zaerog, The T'iduo, Keetmir, and the Lahuado'c. (Made up pre Indo european names)

Pre indo europe city states.png
 
So, what if the cities are not particularly big, but writing and continuous civilization does exist? Like monuments? E. g. moving the stones of Stonehenge took labour of a large number of people. It would not take quite so many people to learn and teach writing, carve modest sized stone inscriptions, write manuscripts on leather and copy them. 2nd millennium AD Iceland was poor, yet taught writing and circulated leather manuscripts. What about Stonehenge where the first stone structures (bluestones of Q and R holes, Stonehenge 3 at about 2400 BC) carry inscriptions with content, and these inscriptions continue to be visible, and to be read, supplemented with new inscriptions and copied onto leather manuscripts, for the following 4000 years? And these leather books copied through millennia tell the names of kings and priests who built the earlier phases of Stonehenge like Stonehenge I and II, and their stories and the reasons why Stonehenge was built like it was?
 
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