"The Nation of the Holocaust" (or: WI Gabrielle D'Annunzio marches on Rome)

Hi all, first post in a while! Is nice to be back...

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At the stroke of midnight on September 11 1919, a group of 193 men met in an Istrian graveyard. It was the beginning of one of the odder escapades in 20th century history. The gathering had been organised by a small group of mutinous Sardinian grenadiers, furious at the orders they had received to withdraw from the Adriatic city of Fiume. The 'Ronchi Seven', as they soon became known, could not let such a humiliation stand; they plotted to launch a private invasion of Fiume so that the city could be forcibly incorporated into the Kingdom of Italy. They soon gathered a small group of like-minded troops, mostly veterans of the feared 'Arditi' stormtrooper regiments, to their cause; to give their mission legitimacy and publicity, they also invited the renowned poet, playwright and demagogue Gabrielle D'Annunzio to join them.

At this point in 1919, D'Annunzio was at the height of his fame and influence within Italy. His exploits during the Great War had made him wildly popular amongst the soldiers whose deaths he lauded, while his inflammatory rhetoric neatly matched the angry, bitter and frustrated mood of much of the Italian public. D'Annunzio had been at the forefront of the Italian campaign to acquire the eastern shore of the Adriatic in the wake of the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He had whipped domestic opinion into such a fury over the issue that when the Italian delegates in Paris were told that Dalmatia would be given to the newly-formed kingdom of Yugoslavia, Vittorio Orlando, the Italian Prime Minister, promptly burst into tears, shouted that he was sure to be assassinated and had to be consoled with a big hug from a sheepish Woodrow Wilson.

The invasion of Fiume got off to a rocky start- when the conspirators gathered in Ronchi they realised they had forgotten to sort out transport and had to steal some trucks from a nearby army base- but by morning, the column was speeding across Istria. D'Annunzio was at its head, driven in a red Fiat so full of flowers that many observers thought it was a hearse. He was practically comatose with fever, but still managed a stirring speech that has presumably lost a little in translation, given that he told the men that they were now 'entirely his' and offered them 'only death'.

Between D'Annunzio and Fiume were thousands of troops, all ordered to shoot anyone who approached the city without authorisation. Unfortunately their Commanding Officer, General Pittaluga, was new to the role, utterly unqualified to handle the complex diplomatic balancing act that the occupation of Fiume had become, and in any case had (entirely unfounded) suspicions that the Italian government had secretly supported the conspiracy. When D'Annunzio and his column approached the army lines, he begged the poet to stop, and when he refused, announced that he would not shed Italian blood, meekly letting the column pass; in the next few hours, the entire Italian army in the region deserted en masse and joined the conspirators.

By the afternoon, with cheering crowds filling the streets (the women of Fiume came out heavily armed, but wearing their finest evening dress), D'Annunzio entered the city on top of an armoured car and at the head of a column of thousands of mutinous Italian soldiers. He gave a speech at the Governor's palace where he proclaimed "Ecce Homo"- 'here is the man', and rapturously announced the reunification of Fiume and Italy. "Behold," D'Annunzio said, "A beacon has been lit at the end of the Adriatic!" Fiume was a "sacred fire" whose sparks would set first Italy aflame then the rest of the world. D'Annunzio had always been fond of the image of the sacrificial pyre; he recalled this, and unintentionally foreshadowed the ultimate direction of the political movement whose birth he was presiding over when he grandly announced that Fiume would be the "City of the Holocaust".

Over the next few days whole battalions of Italian troops deserted to join the revolutionaries in Fiume, and thousands of civilians also made the journey, to the extent that the new authorities were forced to close the city to new arrivals to prevent starvation. Most of these incomers had larger aims, and for them Fiume was only a first step. Some wanted to export the revolution to the rest of Italian Dalmatia; others wanted to make the city a utopian state as the vanguard of a world revolution. The majority, however, saw the capture of Fiume as the necessary first step in a nascent Italian revolution. D'Annunzio was one of them. Boasting that he could invade Rome with 300,000 troops, he published addresses and manifestos calling for Italy to be "set ablaze".

In late September 1919, everyone, from the Italian General Command to the British Ambassadors expected the Italian government to be toppled in revolution.Yet the moment never came. Angrily denouncing the Italian people as idle and craven, D'Annunzio remained in his new possession as Fiume's "commandant". Gradually, the momentum behind his revolution faded, and people began to drift away from Fiume. Just over a year after D'Annunzio's rapturous arrival, with his glorious utopian experiment mired in interethnic conflict, brutality and starvation, the Regia Marina bombarded Fiume and reasserted control over the city. D'Annunzio slunk back to Italy. He was still influential, but nowhere near as much as he was at his peak; his dalliance in Fiume had allowed Benito Mussolini to supplant him as Italy's putative saviour.

So, what if?

The difficult part of the PoD is spurring D'Annunzio into action in the first place. His inaction once installed as Fiume's "commandant" was entirely characteristic; he'd actually been asked to lead the march on Fiume back in May 1919 and had spent the entire summer dithering over whether to join the conspiracy or go on holiday to Japan. It's also quite possible that he wasn't expecting to be put in a leadership role; when he was told that he would rule Fiume, D'Annunzio allegedly replied "who, me?", and while this reaction doesn't match his often messianic rhetoric, a certain amount of cold feet at the prospect would be understandable. Aside from self-doubt (and D'Annunzio certainly had a lot of self-knowledge), his failure to march on Rome was also down to the doubts of some of those close to him; the Istrian irredentist Giovanni Giuriati, D'Annunzio's chief minister in Fiume, deliberately prevented his boss from meeting delegations begging him to launch a wider Italian revolution because he had misgivings about the Commandant's suitability as dictator.

Luckily for the purposes of the discussion, these issues can be swept aside by events without too much trouble. D'Annunzio had been convinced to head to Fiume by the simple expedient of dressing up a pretty girl in a tricolour ribbon and getting her to give him a bouquet of flowers; perhaps one of the patriotic, famously promiscuous women of Fiume could be stretchered in (D'Annunzio had a fetish for ailing women, particularly if their hands were injured) and beg him with her dying breath to launch his revolution? The other means would be simple luck; in what really is a gift for alternative history, D'Annunzio liked to make decisions based on chance, and IOTL elected to surrender rather than martyr himself at the end of the Fiume adventure on the basis of a coin toss. He even had a set of dice inscribed "Alea jacta est", which would seem perfect for the occasion!

Either way, let's say that in late September 1919 D'Annunzio and his supporters decide to, as one newspaper put it, "annex Italy to Fiume" and march on Rome. What happens next?

It's almost inconceivable that if D'Annunzio had marched on Rome in the immediate aftermath of the capture of Fiume, he'd have failed to topple the Italian government. Everyone in Italy thought this was going to happen, and it's difficult to see what could have stopped him had he made the decision. The Army would have supported him, the combatants associations would have raised men to join the putsch attempt, and King Victor Emmanuel had previously implied that he would like to appoint D'Annunzio as Prime Minister had he the opportunity. The rebels would also have had considerable, though by no means universal, support amongst the Italian people.

It seems very likely then that OTL's "Sacred Entry" into Fiume gets a larger, more elaborate sequel; what begins as a determined military operation turns into a carnival as more and more people join the revolutionaries, with every military force sent to stop D'Annunzio either defecting or standing aside until the government flees Rome and the King appoints him Prime Minister.

So amidst scenes of frenzied joy and general national jubilation, D'Annunzio is acclaimed Il Duce (Nothing exclusive to Mussolini of course, Cadorna often got described this way during the war). What then?

One big change will be in foreign policy terms. A D'Annunzio putsch would drop a brick in the diplomatic pond; at the very least Italy will annex Fiume in direct contravention of the wishes of Britain and France, as well as Zara, the Dalmatian Islands and anywhere else along the Adriatic littoral that they still occupy. There will be no Treaty of Rapallo, and Italy will demand everything it was promised in the 1915 Treaty of London. This means, at the very least, skirmishes with the newly formed Yugoslav Kingdom; my guess is that war will be averted (much to D'Annunzio's frustration) and that Italy will get most of what it wants, at the cost of Yugoslav antipathy and Anglo-French fury.

If the British and French criticise him, D'Annunzio likely follow his path IOTL of posing as the worldwide revolutionary, announcing his support for "the indomitable Sinn Fein of Ireland" and "the Egyptian Red banner where cross and crescent are united". The creation of something similar to the "League of Fiume", intended as a direct, anti-imperialist competitor to the League of Nations, seems likely ITTL too, and could quite possibly transmute into a sort of fascist international. One potential further avenue to advance this cause would be Turkey, where Italian troops had been deployed in Southern Anatolia. IOTL the infant Turkish Republic received quite a lot of Italian arms; ITTL I could see D'Annunzio fully throwing his weight behind Attaturk as a way of discomfiting the British, French and Greeks and taking a first step along the road to reclaim Venice's old possessions in the Aegean. The implications of this are interesting; perhaps a *Chanak Crisis comes several years early? There's a final wrinkle, and that's Russia. Perhaps counter-intuitively, D'Annunzio tried very hard to cultivate good relations with the Soviets IOTL, and given Italy's likely diplomatic isolation ITTL I can see him doing the same.

In terms of form, ceremony and language, D'Annunzio's Italy looks a fair bit like Mussolini's. It probably won't be called 'fascism' ITTL though, although as D'Annunzio never really came up with an 'ism' for his creed, that might work as a stand in. More likely we'll hear a lot about 'life' and 'Italianism'. 'Holocaustism' is a tasteless suggestion really, but might catch on ITTL, given Italy's status as nation host to the sacrificial pyre.

OTL's fascist iconography will look very watered-down by comparison to D'Annunzio's, however; there will be all sorts of weird stuff going on. I'm sure that ITTL the Feast of St Sebastian, one of D'Annunzio's favourites, will seriously sour relations with the church, as a priest reverently presents Il Duce with a bayonet and asks him to use it to "carve the word victory in the living flesh of our enemies". IOTL the Vatican hated D'Annunzio and him being in charge will make things even worse; a concordat and Lateran Treaty seem rather unlikely ITTL.

Internally, things will initially be very different from Mussolini's OTL coup of 1922. For a start, D'Annunzio and Mussolini were very different propositions. D'Annunzio makes Mussolini look like an administrative genius; as Giovanni Giuriati, who acted as his chief minister in Fiume, pointed out, he was financially incontinent, indecisive, governed by superstition, impulsive and entirely uninterested in the day-to-day grind of politics. His time as a deputy in the Italian parliament had been brief and undistinguished- after having campaigned vigorously for his seat, D'Annunzio lost interest in it entirely and spent most of his term in office touring Egypt and Greece. What he cared about was politics as performance art rather than policy.

This has all the makings of a complete disaster, but Italy is a more robust entity than Fiume, and the overall effect is probably to make the D'Annunzio regime far more collegiate than the OTL equivalent. IOTL D'Annunzio relied on subordinates like Giuriati and Ceccherini to do most of the donkey work; ITTL he'll have them on hand as well as many of the OTL fascists, most notably Mussolini himself, who will be lurking around the place and doubtless causing enough trouble to make it worth bringing him inside the tent. They are going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting though, and the longer things go on, the more D'Annunzio will act more as a figurehead for the regime than as it's driving force.

So what's the role for D'Annunzio in the long run? IOTL in the Charter of Carnaro, which envisaged a corporatist government for Fiume, the nine occupation-based 'Corporations' would be complemented by a additional one "reserved for the mysterious forces of the people a figure of offering to the unknown genius, to the appearance of the new man, to the ideal transfiguration of the works and if the days, to the fulfilled liberation of the spirit". D'Annunzio frequently identified himself with the Nietzschian superman and this role in the charter was clearly earmarked for him; it seems sensible that after a discreet interval as Prime Minister of Italy, he'd embark on his apotheosis to father of the nation and guardian of the Italian national genius while leaving all the boring governmental stuff to his subordinates, who will then have to clear up a lot of the mess that he created.

All of which means that after a turbulent few years with lots radical pronouncements, odd ceremonies and diplomatic isolation, a D'Annunzio regime seems likely to settle into something broadly similar, and similarly oppressive, to OTL. The big difference however is that unlike OTL, where D'Annunzio lived in relative seclusion and Mussolini paid lip service to him while carefully ensuring he couldn't pose any sort of political threat, ITTL he's the father of the nation and the revolution, and free to casually throw grenades at the government whenever he sees fit in the form of ranting speeches to his rapturous supporters. I suspect this means that he ends up being a constant headache to whoever ends up in charge (and given D'Annunzio's frequently-expressed view on Mussolini as a idle windbag, it might not be OTL's Duce), especially if he follows his pattern IOTL of becoming increasingly supportive of the workers. This constant pressure and use of the public as a means to influence the government probably means that Italy takes a more radical tinge; this is a TL where Mussolini is able to pose as the moderate.

Will things end well for Italy ITTL? Probably not, but D'Annunzio is unlikely to live to see it. IOTL his syphillis was increasingly a problem as the 1920s went on, and ITTL I could see his pronouncements getting increasingly bizarre until either he goes too far and severely embarrasses the government, or himself. Either way, Il Duce will likely withdraw from public life towards the end of the decade, beloved by the nation and regarded by most other people as Italy's mad uncle in the attic. His death, either of a brain haemorrhage as IOTL, syphillis or possibly suicide (D'Annunzio contemplated taking his own life many times and might even have attempted it on a few occasions, including his infamous defenestration in 1922), will be the cause for frenzied mourning.

In some ways, D'Annunzio as Il Duce seems a bit of a counter factual damp squib from a counterfactual perspective. Sure, things are different and the butterflies will be interesting, but are things really that divergent from OTL? You'd expect somebody as flamboyant and exciting as D'Annunzio do more ITTL somehow. Yet in my view, examining the consequences of D'Annunzio marching on Rome in 1919 is a classic example of how alternative history can help you come to useful conclusions about OTL. The truth is that D'Annunzio didn't need to rule Italy to transform it; as the Italian Communist Angelo Tasca noted, "D'Annunzio under fascism was the victim of the greatest piece of plagiarism ever seen." He had already laid the intellectual, spiritual and iconographic foundations of fascism; as Il Duce, he could hardly do that much more.
 
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Well - it is nice to have you back old chap! I was worried that you had left us, but I know how that pesky "real life" stuff can get.

A very intriguing idea Ed. I know that you used D'Annunzio very effectively in "Fight and Be Right," but I wonder if he is just a little too flamboyant to be an effective Dictator. Fascism tends to attract the jokers in society to begin with, but the successful leaders invariably tended towards the more sober sort - even in this case, you point out that D'Annunzio makes Mussolini look like a Bank Manager.

If he did end up in Rome, I could see the country being far more aggressive in terms of colonialism. I doubt that Italy's adventures in the Balkans would stop at Albania.

I shall have a little think and get back to you with some more thoughts later on.

I don't suppose you read Lucy Hughes-Hallett's recent biography on him, by any chance? I think it won the Samuel Johnson Prize the other year.
 
Based on his taste for martyrdom do you think he might start an earlier mediterranean conflict. For example by attacking either Greece or Italy as part of a mad scheme to rebuild the Roman Empire?
 
Great to see that real life has lightened up, it seems strange that an even more flamboyant dictator take charge of Italy, even making Mussolini look boring in comparison. It's amazing to see how many little-known PODs almost feel like they should have gone OTL by the way that events were moving back then.

On Britain, an earlier Chanak Crisis might be interesting, with LG's hatred of the Turks. If it takes place while Lloyd George still has the image of political invincibility, especially if it seems that Sinn Fein is working with the Italians who are helping the Turks, we might see him either come out of it with a sustained sense of strength, in that he may continue focusing on a "home for heroes" platform for a while longer before pressure from the Tories forces him to bow to the demands of the AWL. Seeing as the crisis played the straw on the camel's back, how much longer could it have lasted? We had a thread a while back on a continuing Coalition and the agreement seemed to be that Chamberlain would need to agree to take charge after L-G offered to stand down in 1922.

If Italy takes charge of a Fascist International, and this is assuming that butterflies don't kill the Nazi movement off or direct it elsewhere, would we see a bloc emerging in the 1920s? A lot of left wing movements may be radicalised to take action during the 1920s, which may make things more chaotic unless the overtures to the Soviets yield decent results and an "alliance against the capitalist scum" is suggested at the Third International.
 
The big problem with D'Annunzio as Duce is that as a administrator is...well totally inept so it will take the opposite route of Benny (who after a while concentrate a lot of office on his person) and will delegate soon become more a willingly figurehead leader with a lot of entreached little burocratic empire and the moment his health go down they will begano to battle each others for dominance.

Not counting that frankly, Mussolini, for his revolutionary boosting, was very pragmatic and easily coopt or worked alongside the old power making things run smoothly even if in a inefficient way, D'Annunzio will be a lot more headstrong and a 'true believer' to do that and a more violent strugle is a very strong possibilities.
 

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The immediate post-war environment is one just begging to have a TL-written about it. Bavarian Soviet Republics, Italian Fascism a bit early, the Russian Civil War. It's like if Crimson Skies was real!
 
One really interesting knock on effect would be Italy's presence in Albania.

Here's what happened in OTL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vlora

But in TTL, D'Annunzio would revitalize Italy's flagging fortunes and probably would manage to turn things around in Albania (a new commander, a boost in morale etc.) In OTL the troops were withdrawn over cost concerns and growing dissent at home. I could easily see D'Annunzio staying the course and keeping the Italian troops in Vlora in order to force a decision more to Italy's favor.

With the Italian troops intransigently sitting in Vlora as 1920 drags on. I think pressure is going to mount for some kind of partition along Treaty of London lines with the Greeks grabbing a portion of the south, the Serbians grabbing the North, the Italians taking the coast, and with an Italian dominated puppet state under Esad Pasha centered on Tirana being all that's left.

That, or Britain and France could decide to intervene in Albania (unlikely IMO) and start sending significant aid to the Albanian rebels in a tit for tat move given D'Annunzio's support of Ataturk and Sinn Fein.

Thoughts?

Excellent idea BTW EdT, good to see you back!
 
The biggest problem with D'Annunzio is that Mussolini for all his numerous flaw was in the end a politician willingly to work within or at least coopt the system.
The Vate seem more a true believer ready to start purge of enemies of the nation
 
Glad people liked this, it’s nice to write a little essay every now and then. Need to do more in the way of random WIs as opposed to the larger timelines really.

Well - it is nice to have you back old chap! I was worried that you had left us, but I know how that pesky "real life" stuff can get.

Thanks, it’s nice to be back. Just hadn’t had the time or energy to devote anything to AH unfortunately- but I think my creative muse is back so hopefully I’ll be generating some more content soon…


A very intriguing idea Ed. I know that you used D'Annunzio very effectively in "Fight and Be Right," but I wonder if he is just a little too flamboyant to be an effective Dictator. Fascism tends to attract the jokers in society to begin with, but the successful leaders invariably tended towards the more sober sort - even in this case, you point out that D'Annunzio makes Mussolini look like a Bank Manager.

I don’t think that D’Annunzio would be a dictator in the modern, absolutist sense. It takes a lot of political effort to set up a proper dictatorial regime- Mussolini only made Italy a one-party state in 1926, three years after the march on Rome, for example- and D’Annunzio didn’t have the commitment or political skill to do anything similar.

His ‘dictatorship’ would be much more along the Roman model I think, a temporary military junta designed to save the Italian nation from the humiliation of a mutilated peace. There’s some evidence that D’Annunzio was thinking along these lines IOTL, although I don’t have the source to hand; IIRC around Caporetto he called for a military government to take over temporarily to try and sort out the mess. Going by this, come 1922/3 or similar, with Italy having asserted itself, D’Annunzio would plausibly be able to claim that he’s restored national honour, and then could go off and be Father of the Nation while his do all the real work, or more likely, fight like ferrets in a sack.

So lots of oppression, and beatings, and socialists taken off the streets and dumped a few days later in ditches etc, but not with the same relentless pressure and direction that Mussolini managed IOTL, and not even, necessarily, all at D’Annunzio’s direction either. I’m sure TTL will have lots of apologists blaming the people around Il Duce for ordering the violence behind his back, and while this will obviously be a bit of a stretch, I’m not sure D’Annunzio will be able to completely control his allies.


I don't suppose you read Lucy Hughes-Hallett's recent biography on him, by any chance? I think it won the Samuel Johnson Prize the other year.

That’s exactly what inspired the post actually! I’d spent most of the week reading it on the train and so a few ideas started percolating. Really couldn’t recommend it enough; great stuff, and really captures the man.


Based on his taste for martyrdom do you think he might start an earlier mediterranean conflict. For example by attacking either Greece or Italy as part of a mad scheme to rebuild the Roman Empire?

I could see an Italian regime (probably post-D’Annunzio) setting its sights on Greece eventually, but assuming that in 1919-1921 Italy manages to assert control over Fiume, Zara, Istria, the Dalmatian Islands, maybe the Dodecanese as IOTL and also (as Fearless Leader mentions) Vlora, that’s quite a lot to digest in one go. I think D’Annunzio will have enough on his plate without trying to annex Greece, although I’m sure that’s on the long-term shopping list.

It’s worth pointing out here that D’Annunzio’s inspiration wouldn’t be so much Rome, although obviously a lot of the iconography turns up in his rhetoric, but rather Venice. Which fits in very nicely with an Italy that already controls most of the Adriatic littoral and aspires to grab Corfu, Cyprus, Crete etc…


Great to see that real life has lightened up, it seems strange that an even more flamboyant dictator take charge of Italy, even making Mussolini look boring in comparison. It's amazing to see how many little-known PODs almost feel like they should have gone OTL by the way that events were moving back then.

One of the wonderful things about the immediate post-ww1 period is that all sorts of crazy stuff was going on, all of which the potential to seriously alter the course of the 1920s. And it’s particularly nice to find things were IOTL was perhaps the unexpected outcome, as you say.


On Britain, an earlier Chanak Crisis might be interesting, with LG's hatred of the Turks. If it takes place while Lloyd George still has the image of political invincibility, especially if it seems that Sinn Fein is working with the Italians who are helping the Turks, we might see him either come out of it with a sustained sense of strength, in that he may continue focusing on a "home for heroes" platform for a while longer before pressure from the Tories forces him to bow to the demands of the AWL. Seeing as the crisis played the straw on the camel's back, how much longer could it have lasted? We had a thread a while back on a continuing Coalition and the agreement seemed to be that Chamberlain would need to agree to take charge after L-G offered to stand down in 1922.

Hmm, that’s a nice way of looking at it- so an earlier Chanak’s not necessarily so much of a crisis. I really need to brush up on my Bonar Law…


If Italy takes charge of a Fascist International, and this is assuming that butterflies don't kill the Nazi movement off or direct it elsewhere, would we see a bloc emerging in the 1920s? A lot of left wing movements may be radicalised to take action during the 1920s, which may make things more chaotic unless the overtures to the Soviets yield decent results and an "alliance against the capitalist scum" is suggested at the Third International.

I think it’s possible; *fascism is going to be more explicitly revolutionary and anti-imperialist ITTL, but then if D’Annunzio is going around encouraging separatist movements as he did IOTL then he’ll rapidly alienate a lot of potential allies- for example he could get away with meeting Catalan nationalists in Fiume, but doing it as Il Duce is going to infuriate Spain, which would otherwise be a pretty obvious ally.

As for Germany, D’Annunzio had precious little regard for the Nazis, but given that an Italian revolution in 1919 would have some major butterflies (Hitler joins the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei the day after D’Annunzio marches on Fiume), it’s entirely possible that they can be got out of the picture somehow. Need to think of a fun alternative, really…


The big problem with D'Annunzio as Duce is that as a administrator is...well totally inept so it will take the opposite route of Benny (who after a while concentrate a lot of office on his person) and will delegate soon become more a willingly figurehead leader with a lot of entreached little burocratic empire and the moment his health go down they will begano to battle each others for dominance.

Not counting that frankly, Mussolini, for his revolutionary boosting, was very pragmatic and easily coopt or worked alongside the old power making things run smoothly even if in a inefficient way, D'Annunzio will be a lot more headstrong and a 'true believer' to do that and a more violent strugle is a very strong possibilities.

I completely agree. It’s worth stressing that D’Annunzio is not a capital-F Fascist (though arguably he was a fascist), and always had a very uneasy relationship with Mussolini, who ITTL is frantically working to make himself the major potential successor. I’m not sure *D’Annuzioism (for want of a better word) and fascism will be regarded as the same thing ITTL, if only because D’Annunzio has his hands much more firmly on the Intellectual Property and Mussolini won’t be able to nick it as easily. Which of course then begs the question how the Fascists will present themselves if they can’t lift D’Annunzio’s imagery wholesale.

The second D’Annunzio steps down, and I think that’ll be after only a few years, there will be a period of vicious internecine conflict; the question is whether the lid can be kept on it through some sort of compromise or whether it’ll all blow open; in which case D’Annunzio’s influence will be pretty vital. Which makes me wonder if all of Mussolini’s competitors uneasily unite to take him down, and the squadristi are bloodily supressed by the D’Annunzine veterans associations while the army turns a blind eye.

I think Balbo is probably one to watch in the longer term. While IOTL he never had much to do with D’Annunzio, he’s got all the marks of a potential protégé; D’Annunzio had a tendency to idolise young, martial men and especially pilots, while Balbo has an impressive war record, flying ability, and the intelligence to attach himself to the coattails of a powerful patron.



The immediate post-war environment is one just begging to have a TL-written about it. Bavarian Soviet Republics, Italian Fascism a bit early, the Russian Civil War. It's like if Crimson Skies was real!

It’s a weird time isn’t it? I have a half-written vignette from my alternative PMs series that touches on some of these themes; really need to finish it…


One really interesting knock on effect would be Italy's presence in Albania.

Thanks so much for this, I didn’t know Italian boots were on the ground in Albania as well but that does make complete sense. I think your suggestion of a partition under these circumstances sounds entirely sensible- and chunks of Albania seem like a convenient compensation for the Powers to offer the Yugoslavs in lieu of the Dalmatian possessions Italy is refusing to vacate.


The biggest problem with D'Annunzio is that Mussolini for all his numerous flaw was in the end a politician willingly to work within or at least coopt the system.
The Vate seem more a true believer ready to start purge of enemies of the nation

Agreed; Mussolini was a sly bugger. On the other hand, might the system do better under D’Annunzio, who ultimately doesn’t have any interest in coopting it to his advantage in quite the same way? I think his subordinates will do a lot of the repurposing required, but I wonder if despite all the bloody rhetoric, D’Annunzio as Il Duce might give us a more plural Italy than OTL, if only down to governmental incoherence and infighting.
 
Thanks so much for this, I didn’t know Italian boots were on the ground in Albania as well but that does make complete sense. I think your suggestion of a partition under these circumstances sounds entirely sensible- and chunks of Albania seem like a convenient compensation for the Powers to offer the Yugoslavs in lieu of the Dalmatian possessions Italy is refusing to vacate.

This is all dropping the Wilsonianism bit of Versailles quite a bit harder than occurred in OTL. Might Japanese actions in Manchuria be taken differently if the other League of Nations powers carved up a European neutral just a decade earlier?
 
One of the wonderful things about the immediate post-ww1 period is that all sorts of crazy stuff was going on, all of which the potential to seriously alter the course of the 1920s. And it’s particularly nice to find things were IOTL was perhaps the unexpected outcome, as you say.

I will admit to limited knowledge compared to others on this site, but the period really is a goldmine for potential TLs, as you say, and even the slightest changes can even shake the table of international relations by a fair amount.

Hmm, that’s a nice way of looking at it- so an earlier Chanak’s not necessarily so much of a crisis. I really need to brush up on my Bonar Law…

1919 and early 1920 were still the glory days for the Goat. If Chanak comes during 1920, then I can see a brief argument in the Cabinet, but it'd probably depend on whether D'Annunzio decides to back the Irish and Ataturk at the same time, we may see some right wingers grumble of Lloyd George stepping on Curzon's toes by taking the lead on foreign affairs and Bonar Law may argue against it in Cabinet but wouldn't write his letter to The Times about it.

The main issue is that LG is probably going to need to turn his back on chaps like Addison once the shine starts to fade and the Anti-Waste League gives the Die-Hards the excuse they need to cut spending, and his style of governing was likely to eventually send him down. Then again, if Bonar Law perishes before that moment comes, we'd need Curzon to resign or have someone else take the reins after the Carlton Club vote against the Coalition. Heck, we may even see Stanley Baldwin or one of the other junior ministers take over if it comes to that. Or maybe Austen Chamberlain accepts the offer L-G once made about resigning, seeing as much of the anti-Coalitionists were more anti-Lloyd George than anti-Coaliton.

Again, the 1920s has a lot of potential as a period for change.

I think it’s possible; *fascism is going to be more explicitly revolutionary and anti-imperialist ITTL, but then if D’Annunzio is going around encouraging separatist movements as he did IOTL then he’ll rapidly alienate a lot of potential allies- for example he could get away with meeting Catalan nationalists in Fiume, but doing it as Il Duce is going to infuriate Spain, which would otherwise be a pretty obvious ally.

As for Germany, D’Annunzio had precious little regard for the Nazis, but given that an Italian revolution in 1919 would have some major butterflies (Hitler joins the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei the day after D’Annunzio marches on Fiume), it’s entirely possible that they can be got out of the picture somehow. Need to think of a fun alternative, really…

Definitely, allies tend to prefer it when you don't back the people who are trying to undermine their regime. :p

When I say *fascist International, I mean more "Italy and everyone who isn't being mean to Italy for absolutely no reason at all #SolidarityWithIreland" which may be less impressive than it sounds of course, which leads to the question of how other states that aren't popular will interact with them. As you say, socialists will be found in ditches and the early Soviet Union with all of its idealism may not like that, but if they have the prospect of trade and recognition, then we could see some justification on the idea that those were Mensheviks and thus had it coming to them while declaring for unity between those who reject capitalism.

On Hitler, one idea I enjoyed hearing about was the idea of the socialist faction in the Nazis being able to triumph in the case of Hitler dying during his Putsch, resulting in more radicals heading towards the Communists rather than the Nazis. Blood temperatures would probably go through the roof from some British right-wingers as Germany goes Bolshie and the Italians are taking rather strange directions under D'Annunzio's successor, whether it's Balbo or Mussolini, unless the military come in and stop all of that from happening.

I think Balbo is probably one to watch in the longer term. While IOTL he never had much to do with D’Annunzio, he’s got all the marks of a potential protégé; D’Annunzio had a tendency to idolise young, martial men and especially pilots, while Balbo has an impressive war record, flying ability, and the intelligence to attach himself to the coattails of a powerful patron.

I remembered reading about a TL where Balbo took over, but time and the fact that it went unfinished prevented me from seeing it end, he was supposed to be more level-headed than Il Duce so that would be something interesting, taking over the ship after one of the few people more flamboyant than Mussolini is done alienating most of Italy's allies during WWI and being stuck with pariahs and separatists.

It’s a weird time isn’t it? I have a half-written vignette from my alternative PMs series that touches on some of these themes; really need to finish it…

That'd be a fun read.

Agreed; Mussolini was a sly bugger. On the other hand, might the system do better under D’Annunzio, who ultimately doesn’t have any interest in coopting it to his advantage in quite the same way? I think his subordinates will do a lot of the repurposing required, but I wonder if despite all the bloody rhetoric, D’Annunzio as Il Duce might give us a more plural Italy than OTL, if only down to governmental incoherence and infighting.

The whole "dictator takes charge, proceeds to do a poor job at crushing enemies" idea is sadly underused, understandable as many TLs often have the idea of a dictator taking charge somehow and then seeing what their success does, but it does seem like a leader like D'Annunzio to assume that he must do this right now or ignore this or that rule to his own detriment.

And while I'm here, aren't you all glad I didn't go with my initial choice of image to illustrate the thread? :rolleyes:

Yes we are, because we know that you care too much about us to subject us to that.

By the way, did you get my PM? I understand if you're busy or want to focus more on keeping your creative muse going, so take your time.
 
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Thanks so much for this, I didn’t know Italian boots were on the ground in Albania as well but that does make complete sense. I think your suggestion of a partition under these circumstances sounds entirely sensible- and chunks of Albania seem like a convenient compensation for the Powers to offer the Yugoslavs in lieu of the Dalmatian possessions Italy is refusing to vacate.
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This is all dropping the Wilsonianism bit of Versailles quite a bit harder than occurred in OTL. Might Japanese actions in Manchuria be taken differently if the other League of Nations powers carved up a European neutral just a decade earlier?

See, the thing is, Albania's not really a nation at this point, despite what Wikipedia or Albanian nationalists say. You've got multiple competing factions claiming to be the legitimate government and a generally low view of the Albanian people generally. None of the foreign powers really judged the Albanians as being fit to rule themselves and Albania really only became independent for lack of a partition agreement suitable for all sides. If you're looking for a good book, Nicola Guy's recent publication The Birth of Albania (2012) is a good place to start.

Had Italy stuck it out in Vlora, (or Valona as the Italians called it) nobody really had the strength to evict them. Eventually a compromise would have to be reached and Albania would need to be partitioned. Essad Pasha probably avoids being assassinated in TTL and plays right into the Italian's hands as a ruler for the rump Albanian state.

Thus Shkoder/Scutari becomes Yugoslavia's primary port, or one of them and the planned rail line between Shkoder and Belgrade is completed ASAP. I could definitely see more anti-Albanian persecution as the Greeks and Serbs attempt to colonize their portions of Albania.
 
In this situation I think rump Albania would be annexed some time after the new Duce comes to the forefront. Easy way to score some points without stepping on Powers toes.

As for the ideological name, why not Pyreism or Pirism? You could even said it originated abroad, perhaps as degatory nickname.
 
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