AHC: F-18L More Popular

The F-18L was a very good fighter at the time, but McDonnell Douglas succeeded in getting it killed. How successful can it be and what would it's impact be.
 

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Depends on if britain goes nuclear in the 60s? Meaning if the older carriers get sunk or if the maltas get built then converted to nuclear in the 60s during re fits.
 
Depends on if britain goes nuclear in the 60s? Meaning if the older carriers get sunk or if the maltas get built then converted to nuclear in the 60s during re fits.

The F-18L was a land based version with carrier gear removed.
 

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ah ah the tornado gets delayed and pushed back due to some un fore seen reason like the Prototype crashes into the ground then we could see Britain buying it until the typhoon is built then the F18L gets turned into the Bomber it should always be.
 
ah ah the tornado gets delayed and pushed back due to some un fore seen reason like the Prototype crashes into the ground then we could see Britain buying it until the typhoon is built then the F18L gets turned into the Bomber it should always be.

Without the Tornado, I'd see the UK going for the Eagle with it's better capabilities rather than the more limited Hornet.
 
For this to work, the USAF would have had to have picked the YF-17 (F-18 prototype) over the F-16. That didn't happen and without a large US buy, you probably don't get enough export orders to justify production.
 
For this to work, the USAF would have had to have picked the YF-17 (F-18 prototype) over the F-16. That didn't happen and without a large US buy, you probably don't get enough export orders to justify production.

The F-18L came around later than this. It was meant to be a land based export fighter marketed by Northrop while McDonnell Douglas sold the carrier variant to the USN and other naval operators. It was McDonnell Douglas, not the air force that killed it when they offered the F/A-18 in direct competition with the F-18L and their relationship soured from there.
 
Without the Tornado, I'd see the UK going for the Eagle with it's better capabilities rather than the more limited Hornet.

Perhaps. But the F-18 had a number of advantages over the F-15.

One being it was more maneuverable.

Two, it is a much smaller target.

Three, despite having a slower absolute top speed due to fixed air inlets (Mach 1.8 opposed to Mach 2.5), the Hornet proved it could out accelerate an F-15 Eagle from a standing runway start. IIRC, F-18s have routinely outrun F-15s from stationary to Mach 1.2.
 
The F-18L came around later than this. It was meant to be a land based export fighter marketed by Northrop while McDonnell Douglas sold the carrier variant to the USN and other naval operators. It was McDonnell Douglas, not the air force that killed it when they offered the F/A-18 in direct competition with the F-18L and their relationship soured from there.

In that case I'm not sure this does much better than Northrop's other fighter project of that era - the F-20 absent a large US purchase.
 
Perhaps. But the F-18 had a number of advantages over the F-15.

One being it was more maneuverable.

Two, it is a much smaller target.

Three, despite having a slower absolute top speed due to fixed air inlets (Mach 1.8 opposed to Mach 2.5), the Hornet proved it could out accelerate an F-15 Eagle from a standing runway start. IIRC, F-18s have routinely outrun F-15s from stationary to Mach 1.2.

I was thinking more for the role of long range fighter for the UK during the Cold War, ala the ADV version of the tornado to patrol out of Scotland. The eagle from memory does have longer combat range than the hornet.
 
I was referring to original models. The Super Hornets are considerably more massive so their acceleration curve might be inferior.

They also canted out the pylons based on the results of wind tunnel testing so they essentially have speed breaks on. I talked to a Super Hornet pilot once, he said that the #1 drawback to the plane is that you can't run from anybody.
 
They also canted out the pylons based on the results of wind tunnel testing so they essentially have speed breaks on. I talked to a Super Hornet pilot once, he said that the #1 drawback to the plane is that you can't run from anybody.

On the other hand they have much better range and payload capacity than the original so its all a tradeoff.
 
Australia started operating the F/A-18 in 1985, citing superior performance to the F-16 and project lower lifetime costs as outweighing the high initial costs. If the F-18L proves to have superior performance to the F/A-18 with a reduced cost then Australia could probably adopt it.

Once one country adopts it others will follow, Canada and Malaysia come to mind, and it may displace the OTL F-16 as the go to fighter for modernising air forces.
 

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Many Hornet purchases are through the US' Foreign Military Sales programme, meaning countries buy their gear through a US service, in the case of the F/A18 the US Navy. Since the F18L never entered service with the US any purchases of the F18L would have to be commercial with the lead customer assuming all of the risk.

Is the performance of the F18L so much better than the USN models that a country would assume the considerable risk of being the lead customer as well as forgoing the immense benefits of the FMS programme with regards to follow on support? Since the standard USN models found 6 customers it doesn't look like it.
 
In the case of the Northrop F-20, sales were handled by the state department. This is like buying condoms from a nun.
 
Britains AD requirement in the 1960's-80's

The tornado was developed as a multi role combat aircraft and as such was and is a compromise. If Britain go to buy aircraft from the US to meet the UK AD requirement then they can look at F14 with Phoenix to operate out of North Scotland to run CAP and keep Backfire and Badger Naval aviation busy north of Shetland/ Faroes. An alternative to this is the F15E Eagle. For the Southern North Sea protecting the East coast an F16 option mixed with F15 is an alternative. F16 and Harrier would be an alternative to developing the Jaguar for AD roles and interdiction over Western Europe. F16 is considerably cheaper than F14,F15, F18 and can cover point AD as well as ground attack. It depends how much cash the UK have to spend
 
Britain was always in the need of a long-range interceptor. It was crucial in order to intercept Soviet bombers over the North Sea on their way to the UK. This role was partially taken over by the Phantom, later the Tornado-ADV did the job. The F-18L was too short legged fir this mission, the F-15 would have been the plausible solution.
 
Britain was always in the need of a long-range interceptor. It was crucial in order to intercept Soviet bombers over the North Sea on their way to the UK. This role was partially taken over by the Phantom, later the Tornado-ADV did the job. The F-18L was too short legged fir this mission, the F-15 would have been the plausible solution.

the ideal solution for both the UK and the continental U.S. would've been the F-15 equipped with the AIM-54 Pheonix and its fire control and radar system.

There were proposals for such an Eagle variant but it ran afoul of military industrial politics.
 
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