Lately Ive had a concept for this timeline, where a Russian Revolution breaks out in say 1780-1805 and a Napoleonic figure rises through the ranks before eventually proclaiming himself Emperor of Russia. He then goes on to conquer Germany, smack down Austria, and has the eventual downfall being his invasion of the Ottomans or China or something. How could I get to this type of setup, like what PODs, who would it be, etc. Also what should happen in France?
Napoleon of Russia
- Thread starter YamSeng
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How about in February 1768 Carlo Buonaparte, a Doctor of Law is sent to Russia by the court of Louis XV of France, as an Ambassador. With him he takes his wife and son Joseph.
After nearly two year of being in Russia on 15 August 1769, the couple give birth to Napoleon Bonaparte, a Russian born citizen. Who rising up in the Tsar army.
- France to Russia, could be the same as Russia to France, they try and invade but are stopped due to distance of supply and lack of experience in fighting in their terrain.
After nearly two year of being in Russia on 15 August 1769, the couple give birth to Napoleon Bonaparte, a Russian born citizen. Who rising up in the Tsar army.
- France to Russia, could be the same as Russia to France, they try and invade but are stopped due to distance of supply and lack of experience in fighting in their terrain.
Grey Wolf
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Nikolay Zubov?
I assume you mean to do this from a Russian perspective. There were of course reformers, enlightened philosophers, freemasons and rosicrucians under Katherine the Great, generally kept in check. For something analogous to the French Revolution to occur, you have to destabilise the monarchy - not an easy thing to do in Russia! However, the succession was screwy, and there was numerous pretenders, so if one of them manages to engineer Paul's death, then chaos is likely to reign.
You could see some sort of pretender/reformer alliance, later collapsing into a Terror, from which someone with the skills of Nikolay Zubov might be able to engineer an ascent to primacy
Suvorov could then play the Hoche role, so to speak
Best Regards
Grey Wolf
I assume you mean to do this from a Russian perspective. There were of course reformers, enlightened philosophers, freemasons and rosicrucians under Katherine the Great, generally kept in check. For something analogous to the French Revolution to occur, you have to destabilise the monarchy - not an easy thing to do in Russia! However, the succession was screwy, and there was numerous pretenders, so if one of them manages to engineer Paul's death, then chaos is likely to reign.
You could see some sort of pretender/reformer alliance, later collapsing into a Terror, from which someone with the skills of Nikolay Zubov might be able to engineer an ascent to primacy
Suvorov could then play the Hoche role, so to speak
Best Regards
Grey Wolf
Well I love you too and I hope to see this timeline soon, just know who put the seed into the grow to let it grow
Would José de Ribas not do better, a foreign military man or Peter Ludwig von der Pahlen. Both who had connections to the assassination of Paul. Why not instead of an assassin have a revolution
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You don't need a POD in 1768. You can have a POD in 1789 where Napoleon Bonapart's request to join the Russian Imperial Army isn't rejected.
There are some rather important differences - Russia has no real equivalent of the Estates General, and the educated, urban middle classes who were the backbone of the French revolution (as someone once said - the French revolution didn't happen because peasants were starving, because they accepted it as their lot - it happened because lawyers were starving, and they did not) are a much smaller proportion of the population, and the conservative peasantry are a much larger proportion.
Try to abolish religion in Russia in 1790 and the equivalent of La Vendee is going to end with revolutionaries hanging from trees...
But that wont make him Russian and the people would not respect him as much.
HE HAS TO BE RUSSIAN
Or have a larger middle class population boom, all you need is for it to be bigger in the capital, once the capital falls the peasants will follow any one. Especially Russian Napoleon
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But that wont make him Russian and the people would not respect him as much.
HE HAS TO BE RUSSIAN
Do you know who was the regnant in Russia at the time?
Can it have the same if not more art like in you "Takar System" story
Would not have said that was her ... or even the person in the picture was a woman
Yes but Prussian and Russian are not that different. They are relatively the same. Its like Scotland and England
Where as France and Russia
are like two alien nations, They were on opposite sides of the 1733–1738 War of the Polish Succession. Plus I just want a TL with a Russian napoleon
the same way you drew the tigers, draw the people in this world
Lol thats not my art. I got that off google images, took a while to find what I needed. Speaking of Takran I need to continue that.
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Um... that's the first time I ever here somebody say that.
You are aware that the Russian nobility of the 18th-19th century spoke French while native Russian was looked down upon as a "peasant tongue", yes? See here: http://languagehat.com/language-in-19th-century-russia/Where as France and Russia
Then wright one yourself instead of trying to force something that isn't backed up by history or academia on the OP and the rest of us.Plus I just want a TL with a Russian napoleon
The other question that has to be noted is that Russia is in a vastly different state to France in regards to what it could do militarily (much less effective agriculture), its position relative to the other European powers, the effects of geography and climate on campaigns (fighting in France would be a lot easier for Russia than vice-versa) . . .
So in brief, what is this Napoleon-type going to aim for? Who is going to care?
You can't just have "Only instead of France, Russia!" Not without so many ASBs that you would be better served writing an entirely fictional setting.
So in brief, what is this Napoleon-type going to aim for? Who is going to care?
You can't just have "Only instead of France, Russia!" Not without so many ASBs that you would be better served writing an entirely fictional setting.