WI WW2 is delayed a few years

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According to War and Economy of the Third Reich, Hitler wasn't planning for a series of blitzkrieg wars but for a ten year war of annihilation, financed by rising taxes and peacetime rationing. What if Hitler realized that British and French guarantees to Poland were genuine, or what if Hitler never agrees to a deal with Stalin?

Would this delay WW2 by a few years? Or delay WW2 in perpetuity?
 
So this is after Germany has taken over Czechoslovakia but before they attacked Poland? Hitler really wouldn't have backed down at that point since after Munich he thought that France and Britain were only paying lip service to their alliances at that point.

But, if he did decide to stop before invading Poland then all he does is buy France and Britain time to properly prepare themselves for the oncoming war. Ultimately it doesn't work in Germany's favor since their OTL success was due to some novel tactics, incredible ineptitude politically and militarily by the British and French, and a really good string of luck.
 
So this is after Germany has taken over Czechoslovakia but before they attacked Poland? Hitler really wouldn't have backed down at that point since after Munich he thought that France and Britain were only paying lip service to their alliances at that point.

But, if he did decide to stop before invading Poland then all he does is buy France and Britain time to properly prepare themselves for the oncoming war. Ultimately it doesn't work in Germany's favor since their OTL success was due to some novel tactics, incredible ineptitude politically and militarily by the British and French, and a really good string of luck.
...Would the French and British even be able to afford a peacetime rearmament? They barely afforded a wartime rearmament.
 
...Would the French and British even be able to afford a peacetime rearmament? They barely afforded a wartime rearmament.
Britain and France were already starting to rearm when the Germans started to do so and this dramatically picked up after Munich. The Royal Navy and RAF were initially meant to be fully rearmed and war-ready somewhere between 1940 and 1943. Alongside them, the French general Gamelin had set up a 4 year plan to get the French forces back up to snuff with more of a focus of infantry and armor.

However, the reasoning behind the slow rearmament of the British and French was that they were expecting a repeat of WWI and thought that they had all the time in the world to rearm. Depending on who you ask, some will claim that Britain and France did appease Hitler at Munich so that they could buy themselves time to rearm and they thought that the Soviets and Germans would be the first to go head-to-head. If Hitler delays war with Poland then he's only playing into the Allies' hands.

The heads of state may have been foolish in how they dealt with Hitler before but they weren't stupid. They saw Germany rearm itself under a madman who was preaching hate to a populace that underwent incredible economic strain brought on by Britain and France due to WWI reparations. The British also started using privately owned but government subsidized factories to help share the burden of rearming.
 
Nasty things happen to the German army, since delaying the war gives Britain time to sort out its issues with its fighter cannons and six-pounder AT guns. Also, imagine how the Polish forces would do with more modern equipment supplied by the British and French.
 
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If Hitler delayed war to 1942, he would have been in a better position at the beginning of the war against France and GB. France and GB's war doctrine is what lost the the war, and Hitler would have only had more armor, superior FW-190s and more pilots.

Hitler would have still developed the V2 and not the a-bomb and attacking Russian in 1943 would have proved disastrous, as Stalin's border fortifications would have been as well made as the Stalin line OTL and Stalin's army would have been much larger, especially without the Nazis practically doing everything right and killing millions of soldiers in 1941 as per OTL.

This all probably butterflies out US intervention, as the moment Hitler ran into a much more formidable Russian foe, he would have never declared war on the US. It is possible u-boat doctrine still would have left to US entry.

So, the war might end practically at the same time in 1945, though it will be the Russians taking most of Germany if the a-bombs don't fall first. WIthout US entry, it is likely Hitler would win, as soviet aircraft by 1944-45 facing the luftwaffe would have been way too inferior, and soviet tanks were vastly overrated. However, in such a timeline, it is hard to think of many countries like romania, hungary and finland allying with germany, though after france falls they might, especially depending upon how aggressive the soviets are in the east.
 
If WW2 started in 42 Britain would of been 3/4 of the way to the bomb by then.We ordered 400g of uranium hexafloride from ICI in 39. That is before we went down the plutonium route.We were using gaseous diffusion if we kept at it we could of had four or five primitive gun type bombs by late 43 early 44. Game over Britain would be the only superpower until the Soviets tested joe 1 in 49.
 
If WW2 started in 42 Britain would of been 3/4 of the way to the bomb by then.We ordered 400g of uranium hexafloride from ICI in 39. That is before we went down the plutonium route.We were using gaseous diffusion if we kept at it we could of had four or five primitive gun type bombs by late 43 early 44. Game over Britain would be the only superpower until the Soviets tested joe 1 in 49.

Huh? And how would the british come up with it before the Americans?
 
So this is after Germany has taken over Czechoslovakia but before they attacked Poland? Hitler really wouldn't have backed down at that point since after Munich he thought that France and Britain were only paying lip service to their alliances at that point.

But, if he did decide to stop before invading Poland then all he does is buy France and Britain time to properly prepare themselves for the oncoming war. Ultimately it doesn't work in Germany's favor since their OTL success was due to some novel tactics, incredible ineptitude politically and militarily by the British and French, and a really good string of luck.

Poland gives Germany the corridor...Hitler averts war...but what would he ask for next?
 
If Hitler delayed war to 1942, he would have been in a better position at the beginning of the war against France and GB. France and GB's war doctrine is what lost the the war, and Hitler would have only had more armor, superior FW-190s and more pilots.
Britain would have had similar improvements though, cannon armed fighters, better armour (without the immediate overriding need for fighters RR can take a little more time to develop the Meteor, but get it out earlier), better radar, etc.

Hitler would have still developed the V2 and not the a-bomb and attacking Russian in 1943 would have proved disastrous, as Stalin's border fortifications would have been as well made as the Stalin line OTL and Stalin's army would have been much larger, especially without the Nazis practically doing everything right and killing millions of soldiers in 1941 as per OTL.
If we still get a division of Poland we probably still get the Molotov line, which means dismantling the Stalin line. Similarly, I don't see Stalin holding off the purges for too long, so I wouldn't expect the army to be in a much better position either. The saving grace might be the better technology.

This all probably butterflies out US intervention, as the moment Hitler ran into a much more formidable Russian foe, he would have never declared war on the US. It is possible u-boat doctrine still would have left to US entry.
If anything Butterflies US entry it's Japan getting pounded to a pulp after the US shuts off the oil and their plan to grab the Southern Resource Area putters out in the face of strong opposition from European powers not occupied with a war in Europe.
 
Britain would have had similar improvements though, cannon armed fighters, better armour (without the immediate overriding need for fighters RR can take a little more time to develop the Meteor, but get it out earlier), better radar, etc.

Yes, but the British would have not been sending more men into france than the did OTL and it is possible by sept 1942 they would be at war with Japan first.
 

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There is the possibility that the Soviets initiate WWII with a 1942 start date. Who knows what will happen then.
 
Yes would of been sending less men into France. The meteor jets would of played hell with the German bomber crews and the bomb would end WW2 in 45 Japan would pull back after we dropped one on them.
 

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Poland gives Germany the corridor...Hitler averts war...but what would he ask for next?

I don't think he would for a little while. Maybe he might put pressure on Poland in 1940 over something, but claim-wise there was nothing in Europe for Germany to reasonably claim after the Corridor. Once Germany gets that revision of the Polish border Hitler just can wait until he's ready for war in 1941-42 and then start trouble then.
 
There is the possibility that the Soviets initiate WWII with a 1942 start date. Who knows what will happen then.

To be honest, Stalin might have without the nazi-soviet pact begun being aggressive in 1940. He might have invaded poland itself in 1942. Then, the way the whole war goes, depends upon whether hitler attacks poland too, or allies wth poland...and who attacks poland first.

If Stalin initiates the attack, do France and G.B. declare war on stalin? Where does Germany fit in all of this?
 
Yes would of been sending less men into France. The meteor jets would of played hell with the German bomber crews and the bomb would end WW2 in 45 Japan would pull back after we dropped one on them.

The meteor isn't coming out any sooner than OTL. By your logic, He 280s would have been meeting them in the skies in 1943...

I don't think he would for a little while. Maybe he might put pressure on Poland in 1940 over something, but claim-wise there was nothing in Europe for Germany to reasonably claim after the Corridor. Once Germany gets that revision of the Polish border Hitler just can wait until he's ready for war in 1941-42 and then start trouble then.

Germany had territory in france that was historically german. It is possible Hitler might have surprised attacked france. Granted, poland was at his border, but in 1940 he attacked france with an aggressive ussr at his border, so it is still possible. Hitler probably would have went to scandanavia first citing that they were ancestral aryan lands and german by right.
 
If Soviets start WW2 we and the French would of declared war on Them, Hitler would of joined on the allies side, there would of been no way he would of past up the opportunity to get in on the action.
 
Huh? And how would the british come up with it before the Americans?

Do a little research on "Tube Alloys".

The U.K. program was heading in a direction which likely would have mitigated much of the US costs of researching everything at once and may have borne fruit much earlier.

One of the great "What if"s of history.

Oh, and that would be British with a "B".

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Frank
 
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