Flag Challenge 95

viperhawkz said:

Flag Challenge 95

I Would Walk Five Thousand Miles

For this week's challenge, you must design a flag for a country that originated in an alternate migration. For example: OTL, the Magyars migrated from Central Asia to Central Europe and became the nation of Hungary. But what if, say, the Uyghurs had made that trip instead? What if the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes had gone east to Sweden instead of west to England? What is the Bantus had migrated into North Africa? What if... This can be ASB if necessary.

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Sicarius

Sicarius said:

Abraham Lincoln was done fighting wars. He was determined to be the nation's great peacemaker, regardless of the fact that some Southrons still seemed determined to fight on. He would not allow cowardly assassination attempts to change his course on Reconstruction. Still, it was another reminder that the South would be slow to change its ways. And what true guarantee of safety could he give the freedmen in a land like that? He had once thought that they could be colonized in another area, Africa or South America, but that was neither politically nor economically viable. What to do? Seward had recently mentioned some overtures from the Czar about selling his Alaskan territory. Lincoln was already planning a southern homestead act - perhaps a northern counterpart could give America's newest citizens some room to breathe...

"LINCOLN, AL - One hundred years after the transfer of Alaska to the United States, another flag is lowered over this northern territory. Though the air was freezing in the capital city, no breath was visible in Du Bois Square as the Stars and Strips were lowered for the last time - only finally did the audience exhale when the new flag of the Republic of Alaska was raised, ending a political battle for autonomy the new nation's Negro residents had been waging for nearly three decades..."

Flag of the Republic of Alaska: A horizontal bicolor of blue and white defaced with the North Star in the upper band, and two arms breaking shackles in the lower

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Alternatehistorybuff5341 said:

After the horrors of the Holocaust and World War II, it was decided among the Allied forces that the German people must be forever reminded of the monstrous actions they allowed to occur. So, when the surviving European Jews wished for a homeland of their own, the eastern regions of the former Reich (or Eastern Prussia) was set aside as a Jewish refugee zone. Jews from all over Europe (a majority Yiddish speaking Eastern European and Yiddish Jews) migrated to the new refugee land. The Soviet Union quickly established a an pro-communist administration system, and by 1949, the People's Republic of Yyidysland was formed. The Soviets intended on keeping the region independent from East Germany, so as to serve as a punishment (the idea being that very people they once tried to destroy now rule over land that was once theirs). Though the state encouraged atheism, the nation was distinctly Jewish in culture. With the fall of Communism in the mid 1990s, Yyidysland was offered the option of reuniting with the Federal Republic of Germany. Due to old wounds, the offer was declined, and the Federal Republic of Yyidysland was formed, with a democratically elected government. The new flag was an imitation of the former Prussian one; not as a momento to the history of the region, but as yet another reminder to the Germans that the land they once owned no longer belonged to them.

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MarshalBraginsky

MarshalBraginsky said:

This is from one of my TLs that I'm actually trying to complete but have some time constraints:

It is said that the Mongol migrations into the Balkans occurred during the reign of Sartaq Khan, for whom the Khanate of the Golden Horde was kept from the schemes of his uncle Berke. The would-be usurper of Sartaq's authority was found out as the mastermind of Sartaq's assassination attempt, which was botched because Aleksander Nevsky was killed by the pro-Berke Mongol forces on their way back to Sarai Batu. Once Berke and his faction was bloodily purged, Sartaq became more open to his idea of embracing Christianity of the Eastern rite. However, neither the Rus', the Byzantines, nor even their Bulgarian vassals were to convert them into Orthodoxy, but through the help of a tiny kingdom in the heart of the Balkans. Thus, the Mongol migrations into the Balkans ensured their annexation of Bulgaria and the eventual dynastic union with the merging of the two bloodlines: that of Genghis Khan and Stefan Nemanja.

To this day, numerous Serb and Bulgarian populations can trace their lineage to the Mongol warriors who chose to settle down in the Danube, Morava, Drina and Sava Rivers.

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The Professor

The Professor said:

Not sure if this quite fits the rules...
Magyar migration divides in 2 - 1 heads south into Caucausus and Anatolia, the other heads west as OTL into the Pannonian Plain.
ATL however the second group, being fewer in number, get absorbed into the Avar Khaganate [1].
The Slavic dialects thus get a further boost as a lingua franca until the country evolves into the christian slavic [2] kingdom known as the Avorak Stephanate [3]

[1] becoming a sort of Pannonian Bulgaria
[2] albeit with Turkic and Magyar influence
[3] a stephan being roughly a high king and an ATL replacement for the word kagan

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JoeyB2198

JoeyB2198 said:

Stalin decides sending people to Siberia is too expensive and too tsarist. His solution? All gulags are built instead in the deserts of Central Asia. Turns out, mixing separatist ethnicities with political prisoners is not a great idea. Millions of Poles, Germans, Ukrainians, and various other undesirables are sent to Central Asia to work until they die.

In 1954, a prisoner uprising in the Kengir Gulag coincided with local ethnic unrest until the entire thing boiled over into a revolution. The state, called the Republic of Khiva (or, by other commentators, the Gulag Republic) held out in one form or another for a grand total of four years until the last pockets of resistance were crushed. The flag contains elements of Russian, Khivan, Christian, and Islamic symbolism.

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Major Laugh

Major Laugh said:

When Aaron led the Children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage, he was guided west to where lay the new promised land of the future Israel. Wandering for 40 years through deserts and mountains, they eventually reached the land known as Nacaan (approximates to OTL Tangier and its hinterland). Over the ensuing millennia, the boundaries of Israel expanded and contracted and for centuries it formed part of the Carthaginian Empire. With the fall of that Empire, Israel regained its independence and subsequently not only stopped the advance of the swiftly expanding Rasmith religion but also conquered the Iberian Peninsula.

In modern times the nation participated in the Great War and subsequently was granted a mandate for lands where Asia meets Africa by the Assembly of Nations. After the disbanding of the Assembly and the chaos of the seemingly never-ending series of African and Middle East Wars, Israel controversially annexed the mandate lands.

The current flag was adopted shortly after that annexation.

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King Helü of Wu said:

Royaume d'Égypte (RÉ)
(Papyrus=Upper Egypt, Bee=Lower Egypt, Crescent and Star=Islam, Coptic Cross=Christians, Black=Black earth of Kemet, Red=Fraternity among races, Grenade=French soldiers defending Royaume d'Égypte (RÉ)).

(Initially the Armée d'Orient battle standard, similar to Napoleonic regimental flags, colour changes(blue to black) just like Italian flag was derived from French tricolour.)

Napoleon Bonaparte decided not to abandon his men in Egypt, but was determined to make them survive despite being cut off from France.

Napoleon and his troops converted to Islam. He had to choose between French support and local Egyptian support, while the former seemed to have abandoned them. (However, looking at what he did to Judaism IOTL at so called Grand_Sanhedrin IOTL, you would have an idea what he would do to Islam in his Egypt.)

As Consul of the Egyptian Republic, Napoleon was as smart and diplomatic as Mohammed Ali Pasha did IOTl (Mohammad Ali was a foreigner as well), we now have his 30,000+ French soldiers as the ruling class of Egypt, not unlike the Mameluke. With the locals slowly leaning to the French, Britain suffered a few setbacks and then decided it's simply not worth the effort to fight on, and accepted Bonaparte's peace offer.

Without Bonaparte, the Directory screwed it and France was forced back to Bourbon-ism at Alliance gunpoint. This way there was a peace treaty sooner than OTL, with Europe less devastated, Britannia rule of the sea less absolute. The Kings were much more revanchist to the unholy revolutionaries than IOTL, forcing hundreds of thousands to flee to Egypt, the last Revolutionary stronghold.

Among the refugees was Champollion, an ardent republican. Now he is in Egypt and have much greater access to Egyptian Hieroglyphs than OTL.

After the war, European powers' opinions of Napoleon's Egypt was complex. The British was be distasteful of it due to the dynasty's hostile history and French Revolutionary origins, even though it was no longer a threat; Bourbon Kingdom of France secretly felt happy that those revolutionaries are eating sand in a unknown place other than making troubles in France; Catholic states angered by his apostasy. This cancelled off the supposed diplomatic advantages Egypt gains with a European ruling class.

With grudging approval of Europe, French Kingdom of Egypt Survived. King Napoleon I (changed to kingdom to make the country even more harmless in the European eyes) then started his 20 year rule of Egypt (1806-1826).

With the help of his army (especially General Jacque-Francois Menou), French refugees and some more enlightened local pashas, Napoleon was able to achieve much more than Muhammad Ali did IOTL, and was much less indebted thanks to his vigilance against the bankers.

There were no ban on intermarriage and by 1900 the border between French and locals was blurred. Still, Egypt stood firm against European colonialism, with Napoleonic Banners flying high.

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PiratePartyist said:

I voted #5, just because it is the most interesting potential state.

The state for which this flag is/was used is either extremely peaceful, or extremely chaotic and in continuous civil war.

The Christian Cross and Muslim Crescent are united, so it could either be a state (e.g. an utopian area of Europe or North America) where Christians and Muslims live peacefully together.

Or it could be that this flag is used for a state that de facto does not exist, like Somalia. Christians and Muslims should be united, but constantly fight each other. The green could hint at that, because Green is the colour of Islam. So, the big part of this flag that is green could mean that Islam (or, in the worst case, Shari'a law) dominates the state. The black could just symbolise the Catholic/Christian minority.

But in the very worst case, the flag is used in a state where both fundamental Islamists and fundamental Catholics/Christians (black is the colour of the German CDU, but also of things like the Italian Fascists and German Nazis) dominate the upper ranks of government. Either they constantly fight each other and the state thus sinks into anarchy. Or they work together to fight all other infidels and kaffir. This could be directed either against Judaism and Zionists (then it would be much like Nazi Germany with some Islamists mixed in), or against the Dharmic religions (a state that is genocidal against Hinduism and Buddhism, anyone?), or even against Animism (then it would be directed against Sub-Saharan Africa)...

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Which Tyler said:

For me it was a difficult choice between 4 and 6. In the end I tossed a coin.

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Major Laugh said:

Is it ethical to vote for your own entry?

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Major Laugh said:

I haven't voted yet.
Is it ethical to vote for your own entry?

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Major Laugh said:

In the end I chose to abstain from voting.

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