Seleucid Triumph

Antiochus II Theos ruled from 286 to 246 BC, inheriting a war with the Ptolmeic Kingdom over Egypt. He managed to lead his forces to victory, forcing the Ptolemies to retreat back to Egypt in 254 BC. However, this victory came at a price, as in 255 the outlying province of Bactria broke from the Seleucid Kingdom. Determined to maintain his kingdom, in 250 BC he forced the barbarian lord Arsaces out of the province of Parthia, which remained a Seleucid possession. From then on, his reign had a period of peace until he was poisoned by his wife, bringing her son to the throne.

Seleucus II Pogon reigned from 246 to 226 BC. His reign began with an alliance between the Hellenistic Kingdoms in Egypt and Asia Minor against the Seleucid state. In 241 BC, Seleucus was forced to abandon Antioch for Seleucia on the Tigris after the city was threatened by the Attalid Kingdom. In 240, after inflicting victories over the Ptolemies and forcing them out of Palestinia, Seleucus made peace, cedeing his possessions in large areas of Asia Minor to the Attalids but concedeing nothing to the Ptolemies. However, in 226 BC his brother Antiochus Hierax seized control of the Empire for himself, committing fratricide.

Antiochus III Hierax ruled only three years, from 226 to 223 BC. During his reign, the capital of the Empire was shifted definitively from Antioch on the Orontes to the larger city of Seleucia on the Tigris. In 225, war broke out again with the Ptolemies of Egypt, and rebellion broke out in Syria and Pars. Soon after, Antiochus, the eldest survivng son of Seleucus II, took the throne of the Seleucid Empire, as Judea fell to the invaders.

Antiochus IV the Great reigned from 223 to 180 BC. In the beginning of his reign, he swiftly led an army to crush the Syrian revolt, which went down to work on expelling the Ptolemies from Judea. The war first met with problems, however, as the Attalids came down from the north to attempt to rekindle the Syrian revolt, and his armies met with defeat. However, the Ptolemic armies were overcame, and pushed back to Alexandria on the Nile, while the Attalids met with little success against the troops left in Syria. The Ptolemic Kingdom was subjugated to Antiochus' state, while the Attalids were forced to cede the land of Cappadocia in 214 BC. Antiochus headed east, to crush the Persian revolt and secure his reign there, taking the Persian title of Great King, in Greek Megas Basileus, where he also gets his subtitle "the Great". From then on, he attempted to expand his domains into western Asia Minor, and Greece. Here, he met with limited success until hitting the massive powerhouse that was the Roman Empire. Forced to retreat, the island of Cyprus, nominally a Seleucid vassal, was lost. He was succeeded by his son, Seleucus.

Seleucus IV Philopator reigned from 180 BC to 175 BC over a realm stretching from Cilicia and Cappadocia to the borders of Bactria. He was a wealthy king, and ordered the construction of many cities, mostly named "Seleucia" after himself or "Antioch" after his father, across the Persian provinces, which led to a greater spread of Hellenistic Greek culture across his Empire. He was succeeded by his first son, Demetrius.

Demetrius I Balas was Seleucid Emperor from 175 BC to 147 BC. His early reign was marked by failure, when revolts caused by the Maccabee Jewish army caused the provinces of Judea and Idumea to erupt in revolt. He led an army into the province in 170 BC, sacking Jerusalem and defiling the Temple. This, whle temporarily calming the revolt, only caused more problems later on, when the revolt returned in 167 BC, with Ptolemic support. In 165 BC Demetrius was forced to concede loss of the provinces to the newly established Hasmonean Kingdom, a vassal of Egypt. In 163, however, attempted revolts in other provinces proved failures, and Cyprus' loyalty was regained. In 160, he launched an invasion of the Attalid Kingdom, annexing a number of border regions and the city of Trebizond. He forced many border concessions from the small Kingdom of Armenia, which was vassalized to his state. In 155, he attempted an invasion of the Bactrian Kingdom, which ended in failure in 147 and his death. He was succeeded by Demetrius II, his son.

Demetrius II Nicator ruled the Seleucid Empire from 147 to 120 BC. In 145 he made peace with the Bactrian Kingdom, and repelled another barbarian invasion of Parthia after heavy losses, and lost the Pontus region to the Roman puppet states in Greece, which was rapidly falling under Roman domination. In 125 BC, he married Cleopatra Tryphaena, a daughter of the Egyptian king. He rapidly fell under the domination of his wife, who had him deposed in 120 and led as sole ruler.

Cleopatra I Tryphaena ruled over the Seleucid domains for eleven years, from 120 BC to 109 BC. She faced revolts from Syria, Cappadocia, and Cilicia, however, these were put down and secured her reign. During her reign, a number of claimants to the throne were executed, leaving the succession clear for her son, Seleucus Philadelphus. Cleopatra is one of the first Seleucid monarchs known to worship the Mesopotamian gods in addition, and sometimes in place of, the Greek pantheon, a practice that rapidly grew even while the Empire hellenized in other ways.

Seleucus V Philadelphus ruled from 109 to 84 BC, over an Empire that was losing it's focus in Greece. Expelled from Cappadocia in favor of the remnant Attilid kingdom, a Roman vassal, he did manage to invade the Bactrian Kingdom, making it part of the Seleucid state in 90 BC. However, six years later, he was assassinated by his power-hungry son, Antiochus Epiphanes.

Antiochus V the Great was Seleucid monarch from 84 to 59 BC. While at the beginning of his reign, the general Lysimachus seized control of the provinces in Bactria and India as his own kingdom, he recovered lands in the West. His title the Great refers to his victories over the decaying Ptolemic kingdom, which he took the Hasmonean state from in 75, and seized Alexandria in 69 BC. However, this was not met well by the Romans, who invaded his kingdom and took the provinces. In 60 BC, the city of Antioch fell as well, and the king made peace, cedeing his possessions in Cappadocia and Trebizond to Rome, and losing Egypt to a Ptolemic claimant supported by Rome. However, he held on to the province of Judea. In his late years, he moved the capital back to Antioch on the Orontes.

Antiochus VI Grypus was Seleucid ruler for a long thirty-nine years, from 59 to 20 BC. During his reign, the attempted Hellenization of Judea ended, and the province was placed under the control of a Jewish governor, Herod. In 50 BC, he attempted an invasion of Cilicia, which was fought off by Rome, and resulted in the sacking of Antioch on the Orontes and the return of the capital to Seleucia on the Tigris. Near the end of his reign, Armenia was forced to become vassalized again, and a civil war broke out in the Roman territories.

Demetrius III Philopator, the brother of childless Antiochus VI, was Seleucid ruler for only one year, from 20 BC to 19 BC. His reign was overall marked by his death after only one year, and not much else.

Antiochus VII Soter came to power in 19 BC after the death of his grandfater, Demetrius III Philopator, and ruled until his death in 1 AD. During his reign, the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire, and forced his nation to cede the province of Cilicia when he attempted to use the civil war as a land grab. In 4 BC, Zoroastrian magi were captured in Judea, as Zoroastrianism was not tolerated in the Seleucid state. The magi informed him that they had heard the birth of a new King in Bethlehem. Seeing this as a threat to his reign, he ordered the destruction of Bethlehem and all infants within, though the child mentioned escaped to Roman Egypt. The king died that same year.

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Seleucid Triumph Part II: Antioch to Lanka

Demetrius IV Nicator was a Seleucid ruler who ruled from 1 AD to 23 AD, and brother of Antiochus VII. Early during his reign, campaigns in the Arabian peninsula brought the Himyar and the city-states of the eastern Arabian coast. However, this expansion along the Red Sea angered Rome, which invaded the Seleucid state in 5 AD. The Romans were expelled after a long campaign, and parts of Cappadocia were gained by the Seleucids. Late in Demetrius' reign, the Bactrian/Indo-Greek Kingdom appealed to the Seleucids for aid. In return for defeating the Indo-Scythian and Kushan invasions, Demetrius took the province of Bactria, and when the Indo-Greek King died, he placed his second son Seleucus on the throne of the kingdom in 20 AD.

Seleucus V Bactrianos ruled over the remains of the Bactrian kingdom from 20 AD to 23 AD, and united it with the main Seleucid domains after forcing his elder brother, Antiochus (later Antiochus VIII), to surrender his claims to the throne. He continued to rule over both states until his death in 31 AD. His reign focused on the east, as he brought the Indo-Greek territories into the Seleucid fold, and neglected the West. In the east, his accomplishments are very impressive, as the wealthy trading lands of southern India were brought into his command, and the Kushan threat was ended. However, elsewhere he was less successful. He was forced to agree to a partition of Armenia with Rome in 25 AD, and later traded most of Seleucid Asia Minor, ancient possessions that had been held almost to the beginning of the Kingdom, for the island of Cyprus, which was not worth as much. He was dethroned by his elder brother Antiochus in 31 AD, and fled to Ceylon, where he was betrayed and killed.

Antiochus VIII Philopator ruled from 31 AD to 69 AD over a massive realm that controlled everything between western India and Palestine. Seleucia during his reign was a massive center of learning and philosophy, where Jewish rabbi conversed with Buddhists, and culture flourished. He was also a great military commander: in war with Rome, he regained the provinces of Cilicia and Cappadocia, as well as the region of Arabia Petraea (Sinai Peninsula) as a buffer. In India, it is written that he built no less than five Antiochias, three Demetrias, and two Seleucias during his rule there, and he maintained the Indian borders of Bactrianos's reign. He fathered three sons and one daughter, two of which would take the throne later on. He died in his sixties after a long reign, with the Empire secured.

Antiochus IX Grypus ruled from 69 AD to 75 AD, and was the eldest son of Antiochus VIII, and came near to destroying his fathers accomplishments. A power-hungry man, he assigned his friends jobs in the provinces of Judea, Persia, and India, where the Governorship had traditionally gone to local leaders loyal to the regime. In responce, revolts erupted, starting with Judea in 72 AD. While it was put down, India soon followed. With Antiochus IX busy in the East, Rome attacked, rekindling the Jewish revolt for it's own ends. After India was put down, Antiochus was forced to an incredibly humiliating peace with Rome, where almost all of his fathers gains there were wiped out, and Judea became a Roman Province. He was killed by his brother Demetrius in 75 AD after these losses.

Demetrius V Balas was ruler of the Empire from 75 AD to 87 AD, and ruling Syria until 90 AD. Unable to make gains against Rome, he looked for victory in India, building a great fleet to war against Lanka (Ceylon). After the rulers of the island submitted to him, he resumed complete rule in the provinces of Himyar, which had been near-independent. However, he realized the massive logistical problems facing the Seleucid Kingdom, and greatly expanded the size of the army. He also divided the land into two Archonates, himself as Archon in Mesopotamia, Arabia, Persia, and Syria, while the general Nicephoros headed the eastern half. However, this plan backfired when the general Nicephoros proved untrustworthy, and dethroned Demetrius. Demetrius fled to Antioch, where he ruled over Syria until killed in 90 AD.

Nicephoros I Archon was Archon of the East from 85 to 87 AD, and Seleucid ruler from 87 to 100 AD. When he took the throne, Lanka and South India promptly rebelled, and Nicephoros was forced to concede independence to the rebelling lands. He subdued Syria in 90 AD, killing Demetrius V. However, Demetrius' son, Diogenes, requested Roman aid in gaining the throne. Rome was glad to comply, and invaded the Seleucid Empire, installing Diogenes as Seleucus VI Diogenes in Antioch. However, the invasion stalled in Syria, and the claimed Seleucus VI was captured in battle in the province of Assyria. The Syrian War, however, resulted in the loss of Antioch on the Orontes to the Roman Empire. A great fire consumed the city that same year, and a Roman colony was built on the site. Nicephoros was also forced to concede the province of Chorasmia in the north to barbarian raids, and generally lost many territories.

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Faeelin

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It's interesting, but I dont' think you've fully thought it through.

What happens with the romans, if the seleucids maintain their strength? A superpower on their eastern front during the Republican Era would be radically different than the situation Rome faced in OTL.
 
Faeelin said:
What happens with the romans, if the seleucids maintain their strength? A superpower on their eastern front during the Republican Era would be radically different than the situation Rome faced in OTL.
Hm, damnit, you're right- I pretty much assumed Rome would go mostly as OTL here, moving into Greece and Asia Minor and generally being more powerful than anyone else around, though I don't know enough about Republican Roman history to be sure...
 
Imajin said:
Hm, damnit, you're right- I pretty much assumed Rome would go mostly as OTL here, moving into Greece and Asia Minor and generally being more powerful than anyone else around, though I don't know enough about Republican Roman history to be sure...


First off...I think that's this TL has a great start, and I think you got me hooked for more installments... Secondly with the Rome Question..... I think the most profund sequence of events that will cause an indefinate Economic crisis in the Roman Empire. Finacally, the Empire will be suffer because more the Secluids will soon began controlling the trade in silks,pepper,frankincense, myrrh, and other exotic products from China, India, andArabia,and Rome's trade deficit is thus even greater than in OTL. Heavy taxation...necessary to fund the large Roman military establishment...has forced men of commerce to hoard their money rather than invest it. To pay soldiers...
 
- Rome would probably keep a good navy going.
- With a Hellenistic rival, I could see them being less accepting of Greek culture. Perhaps stronger Romanization efforts in the east?
- More military resources will obviously be place in the east.
- They would probably try to limit their military investments in the west, so they could focus on their eastern defences. Now, they could, of course, try to conquer enough of Europe so that they've got a nice short border (dniester vistula, for example). But that would take quite a bit of effort.
 
Imajin said:
So possibly no invasion of Gaul, except for possibly Gallia Aquitania?
Well, maybe no large scale invasion. I wouldn't be suprised if it still becomes Roman though. Allying with local tribes, knocking out some of them, and incoroporating client kingdoms. A piecemeal process, instead of conquering the whole province at once.

Or, perhaps, instead of attacking the Gauls for basically being pushed around by the Germans (thats effectively what Caesar's excuse was) go attack the Germans, with Gallic assistance.
 
Does something like this make sense? If so, I'll write it up formally and change the "Emperor's List" where need be.
- Less focus on west- more of Hispania remains barbarian longer, though all of it conquered by 1 AD
- Mauretania remains an independent kingdom
- Gaul ends up divided between the Belgians, who remain tribal; the Aquitani, who are annexed to Rome as a Province; and the Celtae, who end up forming a Kingdom.
- Gallic Kingdom ends up allies with Rome, in a state similar to Mauretania. Attacks against Germania push Helvetians out of Gaul.
- In the east, more Romanization and Latinization pushed in Egypt and Greece- perhaps more colonies of Latin settlers built?
- Larger revolts in the east for that reason, and greater taxation due to need to maintain a larger army.
 
Sounds fairly good, but, if less effort is put in the west, then those tribes remains threats for longer, which distracts rome from the east.

By the way, I didn't say it before, but I really like this timeline. I almost found myself rooting against Rome while I was reading it. :eek:
 
Wasn't the legion superior to the phalanx? I would expect the Seleucids to do worse against the Romans, even though a lack of competent generals was something I've heard cited in addition to bad tactics.

Perhaps some military explanation is in order?
 

Faeelin

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MerryPrankster said:
Wasn't the legion superior to the phalanx? I would expect the Seleucids to do worse against the Romans, even though a lack of competent generals was something I've heard cited in addition to bad tactics.

Ah, but the Seleucids adopted legionary tactics, or made some efforts to do so.
 
ROME

The effects of the great Seleucid state caused somewhat of a panic in the hallowed halls of the Senate. As Seleucia made moves into Greece, Rome feared that it's Greek allies might turn on them as easily as Rome had them turn on the Seleucids, especially with Seleucid control of wealthy Persia. This resulted in a general distrust of the Roman allies in Asia Minor, and the Senate was far more quick to directly take lands in the East. After the Third Macedonian War, Thrace and Macedon were directly taken into the Roman fold rather than let them sit under untrustworthy puppets. The Romans would have troubles in Greece, especially with strong attempts at Romanizing the population. The cities of Athens, Corinth, and Byzantion would all attempt to rebel one by one, and each was mercilessly crushed.
This also had an effect on the Gallic kingdom of Galatia. The Gauls of Ancyra had long been Roman vassals, however after the tetratch Diotarus seized control of the Kingdom, the Romans invaded Galatia and made it into a province of the Empire.
In the West, however, the Gauls had a different fate. The great General Julius Caesar invaded the region in 59 BC to expel the Helvetians, and later to prevent the anti-Roman coalition of the Veleti. However, in 50 BC, Gaul mostly under control, the Seleucid ruler Antiochus VI Grypus invaded Cilicia. Caesar was recalled east, to lead an attack on the Seleucid city of Antioch, while a friendly tribal chief was proclaimed King of Celtia, while the Aquitanian lands became a Roman province. Celtia would remain a loyal Roman client state.
During the period of Seleucus V Bactrianos, a second Gallic War broke out, this time when the Germans and Belgians attacked Celtia and Roman possessions in the region. With Seleucid attention diverted to India and the East, the Romans were able to repulse the attack, and took much of southern Germania as the province of Germania Australia, while the Belgic lands eventually became part of Celtia.
 
Selecuid Triumph Part III: The Nicephoran Age

Nicephorus II the Great, the last Seleucid Emperor to be called the Great, ruled from 100 to 141 AD. His radical reforming of the Empire is often agreed to have given the slowly decaying Seleucid state a new lease on life, and governmental systems put in place by him would last until Antiochus XI and the collapse of the Empire. He also wiped out the independence of the Kingdom of Armenia, as well as a few small Indian states that were Seleucid vassals. In fact, since Nicephorus and his father were usurpers with only dubious connections to the line of Seleucus, some historians have argued that the Nicephorans represent a clean break- essentially a "Nicephoran Empire" that replaced the Seleucid Empire. This view is not, however, taken seriously by the author of this work. Nicephorus II was a brilliant tactican, leading the Seleucid armies to a decisive victory over the Roman legions in the War of the Orontes, capturing much of Roman Asia Minor, and regaining Judea. The resulting loss caused a civil war within the Roman Empire, which would eventually cause a return to the Roman Republic, with the Senate taking a more dominant role. In the East, his victories were just as spectacular. He reconquered the southern Deccan and Lanka, while the Salankayana Kingdom was vassalized- which, while breaking Nicephorus II's policies on vassals, did prove to be a wise move. Shortly prior to Nicephorus's death, he instituted a succession law that he hoped would prevent large succession disputes, and did work until Antiochus XI.

Amyntas I Philometor ruled the Seleucid Empire from 141 AD to 150 AD. His epithet refers to the fact that until 145, his reign was dominated by his mother, the Queen Cleopatra. His reign was characterized by a long war with the resurgent Roman Republic over Asia Minor, a conflict that proved indecisive. However, the efforts put forth in Asia Minor caused a successful rebellion in Himyar, and a general decay of Seleucid possessions on the Red Sea. In 150 AD he was found killed in his bedroom, and the General Archelaus attempted to seize power.

Demetrius VI Keraunos ruled Seleucid India from 150 to 161 AD, and the entire Seleucid Empire from 151 to 161 AD. During the period of 150 AD after Amyntas I's death, the general Archelaus ruled in Seleucia while Demetrius prepared for a strike while making his temporary capital in the Indian Hellenistic city of Demetria. In late 150 armies loyal to him crossed the Hindu Kush, and a large number of Archelaus's forces defected to him, and Seleucia fell to him by the beginning of the next year. Demetrius ordered Archelaus struck from all records, the generals victories to be attributed to Demetrius or his father. However, as the civil war raged Rome regained Galatia in Asia Minor, and seemed on it's way to regaining Cilicia when Demetrius could finally muster forces to stop the Republic. For the remainder of his reign, he worked to prevent the intermittent Arab raids on his Near Eastern provinces by attacking Arabia, and regained Chorasmia up to the Aral Sea from it's barbarian rulers.

Amyntas II Balas was Emperor of the Seleucid Empire from 161 to 188 AD. He made it a particular goal of his to liberate Greece, Macedon, and Egypt from the Roman Republic, a goal that was not totally realized. In 162 Thessaly erupted in revolt. Not a man to miss a chance, Amyntas promised support for the rebels and led massive armies, complete with war elephants, towards Alexandria and Ionia. The Romans decided to concentrate on Greece, managing to crush the Thessalian revolt before any major aid could arrive from Amyntas, and heading off the assault before it could even reach the coast. However, Egypt fell, and soon a seige began of the Roman colony of Capitoliana (Cyrene). With reinforcements arriving in Asia Minor, Rome was forced to agree to give up the wealthy province of Egypt in 165 AD, a loss that greatly angered many in Rome. It led to the rise of the Roman General Lucius, who established the Second Roman Empire in 167. True to his word, he seized Alexandria in a lightning attack in 170, and marched onward to greater victory. Shocked, Amyntas decided to attempt another two-front strategy. However, he was distracted by problems in India, and facing invasions on all sides, he agreed to give up Egypt and defeated the barbarian threat, reclaiming Chorasmia.

Antiochus X Philadelphus, who ruled from 188 to 190 is generally seen as a weak-willed ruler, unable to control the loss of his Red Sea cities and other lands to the Arabs. In 189, a massive pan-Hellenic revolt shocked the Roman Empire, which for a time had no authority whatsoever south of Thessalonica. Philadelphus, however, failed to capture the oppurtunity and allowed the Greeks to be cut down by vengeful Romans. Many Greeks were expelled from their cities, resulting in a population boost for Seleucid Asia Minor and more Hellenic settlement in Armenia. In 190 Antiochus X died in his sleep.

Cleopatra II Thea was the only child of Antiochus X, and by the laws put in place by Nicephorus II ruled the Seleucid Empire from 190 to 197 AD. A patron of the arts and sciences, she ordered the building of several magnificent temples across the capital of Seleucia, as well as completeing a massive restoration of Persepolis, which again became a major city, though now a Hellenistic one. She married Antiochus of the line of Demetrius V, which led to disaster, as trying to gain more power for him, Antiochus had Cleopatra II killed in 197. Antiochus XI's reign would destroy much of the gains made in the Nicephoran Age.

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Looking good. Are we going to avoid the usual conceit of eternal empires here? It seems that both empires are having serious difficulties staying together.
 
DominusNovus said:
Looking good. Are we going to avoid the usual conceit of eternal empires here? It seems that both empires are having serious difficulties staying together.
I was a bit worried that the Seleucids would seem too long-lasting already. I think I'm going to have them fall apart soon, though I'm not sure how I'll continue the dynasty style... perhaps just focus on whoever rules Mesopotamia? Though I've already broken that by not giving Archelaus the bold text...
 
Imajin said:
I was a bit worried that the Seleucids would seem too long-lasting already. I think I'm going to have them fall apart soon, though I'm not sure how I'll continue the dynasty style... perhaps just focus on whoever rules Mesopotamia? Though I've already broken that by not giving Archelaus the bold text...

This I think makes the TL even more interesting, Having A Strong Empire such as The Selucid Empire Break up, It will be cool to see the Hellenized Successor Kingdoms fight it out such as OTL Roman Successor Kingdoms...These Kingdoms will no doubt, by influenced by incoming Barbarians at the time but still...Keep it comming
 
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