The NEW Our TimeLine Maps Thread!

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Tocomocho

Nice. But shouldn't Egypt, Syria, Iraq and half of Iran being shown in the Occupied-by-Britain light pink, like Iceland? Also, the free city of Tangiers was under single Spanish administration from 1940 to 1945, as a way to "reinforce" its neutrality.

Map is now fixed!

[JEDCJT]

Amazing…just amazing.

A couple of suggestions, though.

First of all, there was a Reichskommissariat Norwegen, a Nazi civil administration in Norway headed by Josef Terboven. (Kudos to Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsk...ariat_Norwegen

So, Norway should be outlined in dark grey, in conjunction with the other Reichskommissariats.

Secondly, you colored Iran entirely pink. The Red Army occupied northern Iran by then.

Otherwise, good job! Looking forward to your contributions!

(P.S. By the way, Athens was occupied by the Germans, not the Italians)

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by JEDCJT

Amazing…just amazing.

A couple of suggestions, though.

First of all, there was a Reichskommissariat Norwegen, a Nazi civil administration in Norway headed by Josef Terboven. (Kudos to Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsk...ariat_Norwegen

So, Norway should be outlined in dark grey, in conjunction with the other Reichskommissariats.

Secondly, you colored Iran entirely pink. The Red Army occupied northern Iran by then.

Otherwise, good job! Looking forward to your contributions!

(P.S. By the way, Athens was occupied by the Germans, not the Italians)

Iran will be fixed after I can find a map showing the exact or nearly exact limits for Soviet occupation. Most maps of WW2 Balkans that I have seen always have shown the Athens region being under Italian occupation, until the Italians switched sides in 1943 after the fall of Mussolini, which at that time the Germans then took over.
PS, I stand corrected about Athens. The Germans did occupy the city while the surrounding areas were under Italian occupation.

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

Iran will be fixed after I can find a map showing the exact or nearly exact limits for Soviet occupation.

If you look at the start of this thread, the WW2 maps I posted then (though they have errors in other places) show an accurate Anglo/Soviet partition border for Iran. It's basically a dead straight horizontal line with a bump in it.

Oh, and your current map is even more map-tastic than usual

[Knight Templar]

Wasn't Crete occupied by Italians and the germans had only the eastern tip of the island?

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Knight Templar

Wasn't Crete occupied by Italians and the germans had only the eastern tip of the island?

That's the way it is on every map I've seen.

I'll post the one off the Spanish website for comparison. Germany also annexed the Bulgarian border with Turkish Thrace,
part of Greece and some islands.

(Although he hasn't bothered to fill in the middle east here).

[JEDCJT]

Here's my attempt to emulate Qazaq and Thande's (They are awesome, I tell you!) respective maps of German-occupied Europe. (Note: I made this map a while before, from Thande's map. I hope you don't mind, Thande. )

This is Europe, November 1st, 1942. This is before Operations Torch and Uranus, and Case Anton (the German occupation of Vichy France)

The color scheme is a tad complicated to explain, but I'll try my best: Dark green is Greater Germany, tad-lighter dark green is the German protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, and the General Government. Moderate-dark green is the Reichskommassariats, and light green is German military occupation. Dark turquoise represents Germany's allies, and light turquoise are client states of Germany.

Dark brown represents Italy, and light brown is Italian military occupation.

Red, of course, represents the USSR, and areas labeled lighter shade of red are under Red Army occupation.

Dark pink (magneta, perhaps?) is the British Empire (note I said the British Empire, not just Great Britain), and light pink is British/Anglo occupation.

One more thing: some of you are probably wondering why northern France and Belgium are "one". This is the Military Administration in Belgium and North France (Militärverwaltung in Belgien und Nordfrankreich).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...d_North_France

Nations colored in dark grey are strictly neutral, whilst light gray represents neutral nations that are "pro-Axis".

Whew! That was too long. If you are confused, I apologize. But I hope you do like the map, though.

[Thande]

That's OK, it's not my map, it was made by a Spaniard who runs a historical maps website.

Iraq was British occupied rather than an integral part of the Empire. Egypt was technically independent but closely aligned with the Empire.

[JEDCJT]

Originally Posted by Thande

That's OK, it's not my map, it was made by a Spaniard who runs a historical maps website.

Iraq was British occupied rather than an integral part of the Empire. Egypt was technically independent but closely aligned with the Empire.

Ah, thanks for your suggestions! You see, I've now colored Iraq as British-occupied, and assigned a slight different color scheme for Egypt as to represent its nominal independence while remaining a 'part' of the British Empire.

Any more suggestions?

[Thande]

Originally Posted by JEDCJT

Ah, thanks for your suggestions! You see, I've now colored Iraq as British-occupied, and assigned a light different pink scheme for Egypt as to represent its nominal independence.

Any more advices?

Can't think of anything offhand.

I made one of those maps myself a while back, but it was of a Nazi victory world rather than of the OTL situation (though closely based on that) so I won't post it here.

[JEDCJT]

Originally Posted by Thande

so I won't post it here.

Why not, if I may ask?

[Gryphon]

Originally Posted by JEDCJT

Why not, if I may ask?

Ahem...
"OTL Map Thread"
and
"Nazi Victory"
do not go together.

[JEDCJT]

Hm, I see...

[Wendell]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

Here's the revised version of my Europe map. I have updated the admin divisions of Croatia, Albania, Macedonia, Sweden, Bulgaria, Moldova, Iceland, and Greece. In Greece, the regional borders are in yellow, and the prefectural borders are white.

Nice. I'd like to see a map based on this for Europe though.

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Wendell

Nice. I'd like to see a map based on this for Europe though.

Hmm, NUTS is right. I will see what I can do, but it may have to wait until after Mardi Gras, because I have time off, and I am in party mode until Ash Wednesday. Yes, I live in New Orleans, and there is a totally whack party going on at da moment. I promise to get on it after I have recovered and detoxed from da party.

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by JEDCJT

Ah, thanks for your suggestions! You see, I've now colored Iraq as British-occupied, and assigned a slight different color scheme for Egypt as to represent its nominal independence while remaining a 'part' of the British Empire.

Any more suggestions?

Kewl map, man. The Italian occupation zones in SE France are way too large, at the scale of the map, those wouldn't show up, because the Italians only managed to occupy a strip a few hundred yards wide, and that wouldn't show at all, otherwise a great map. BTW, the Reichskommisariat of Belgium, and N France wasn't set up until 1944, according to what I have read on wikipedia and other sources.

[Qazaq2007]

Originally Posted by Knight Templar

Wasn't Crete occupied by Italians and the germans had only the eastern tip of the island?

Actually it was the other way around, the eastern 1/4 of Crete was Italian occupied while the remainder was German occupied.

[Wendell]

Originally Posted by Qazaq2007

Hmm, NUTS is right. I will see what I can do, but it may have to wait until after Mardi Gras, because I have time off, and I am in party mode until Ash Wednesday. Yes, I live in New Orleans, and there is a totally whack party going on at da moment. I promise to get on it after I have recovered and detoxed from da party.

Have fun, and be safe.

[Jörg Raddatz]

Originally Posted by Thande

But nothing like as cool

The regional borders won't change, because that would require that the EU does something efficiently.

Just out of curiosity, in which way has the EU bureaucracy anything to do with the way the British make up their internal regional borders? If there have been demands or decrees from Brussels to use certain grouping's I really would like to know more about this. I would have imagined the UK's eurosceptics would have been much more vocal about it than they have been.

Cheers,
Jörg

[Thande]

Originally Posted by Jörg Raddatz

Just out of curiosity, in which way has the EU bureaucracy anything to do with the way the British make up their internal regional borders? If there have been demands or decrees from Brussels to use certain grouping's I really would like to know more about this. I would have imagined the UK's eurosceptics would have been much more vocal about it than they have been.

Cheers,
Jörg

It may simply be that the UK regions were first created by the government and then accepted by the EU as voting constituencies - offhand I couldn't say. But in the public imagination they are inextricably linked with the EU, because of their role in the founding mythology of UKIP (Roger Knapman supposedly seeing a map of Europe in a German barracks which used only the regions, with no reference to national borders).

Also because voting in EU elections is the main role of these regions - most other services which people are familiar with, e.g. the divisions of the TV broadcasters and the water supply grid, use slightly different arbitrary divisions.