WI: Portugal goes red in 1975

Portugal experienced a major internal strife between pro and anti-communist groups just after the Carnation Revolution in 1974 until the completion of the Portuguese transition to democracy in 1976.....

Imagine that Portugal goes under a "democratic and popular" government during the Hot Summer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_transition_to_democracy#The_transition_to_civilian_rule) of 1975, with a pro-Soviet government assuming power in Lisbon...what would be the reaction of the U.S, Nato, Spain, Soviet Union and what changes a Red Portugal would provoke in Western Europe....
 
Well thankfully Franco is either dead or dying and Spain starting her transition to democracy so that should defuse the possibility of direct Spanish intervention. They're still likely to be nervous though so expect the military to be moved towards the border and the various police and intelligence agencies being very vigilent. The US is not going to like this so I could easily see the CIA starting up a destabilisation programme as soon as possible. With Spain no longer Francoist that should give them enough cover to be able to base themselves out of there, and whilst Franco is gone the various right wing supporters are still in positions of power so they're likely to co-operate either officially or unofficially.

The Soviet Union is going to be very happy. Not sure what if anything substansive they're going to do though, perhaps we see Soviet vessels making a lot of port calls. For NATO Portugal is going to be out, the other member states are likely to suspend co-operation with them at the very least, and Spain is likely to become a member much faster than the seven years it took in our timeline. Depending on how friendly/aligned this new Portugal is with the USSR we could be seeing a lot of new US/NATO bases in Castille-Leon, Extremadura, and Andalucia.
 
I read once, that Kissinger wanted to send the Marines, if Portugal really goes red.


The decisive moment was the 25th November 1975, when the "blue" faction of the Army went around kicking in the doors of "red" faction "controled" units, arresting ringleaders and generally scaring the hell out of the reds, who've been behaving since.
The core of the Army was pro democracy but anti communist, and the reds were essencially a very noisy minority that lacked real strengh to put up a fight. The Comunist Party understood this and backed down.
To change this a POD in the late 60s must have the Comunist Party infiltrate the officer corps in depth, and change the officers movement from a democratic into a comunist one. A very hard job to do. The OTL portuguese comunist party was extremely capable well lead and organized, and still failed.
 

Thande

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This happens in Drew's Fear Loathing and Gumbo TL. Ends up with a Soviet-aligned government in Lisbon and a Taiwan-style moderate 'Free Portuguese' government in the Azores.
 
The decisive moment was the 25th November 1975, when the "blue" faction of the Army went around kicking in the doors of "red" faction "controled" units, arresting ringleaders and generally scaring the hell out of the reds, who've been behaving since.
The core of the Army was pro democracy but anti communist, and the reds were essencially a very noisy minority that lacked real strengh to put up a fight. The Comunist Party understood this and backed down.
To change this a POD in the late 60s must have the Comunist Party infiltrate the officer corps in depth, and change the officers movement from a democratic into a comunist one. A very hard job to do. The OTL portuguese comunist party was extremely capable well lead and organized, and still failed.
This sums it well.:)

The societal bases for a strong communist support aren't present. A POD to make this happen in a clear manner requires an early POD that changes the dominant rural propriety structure from smallholdings into large estates as in parts of the south.
In case of a communist coup, the majority of the army and parties would regroup in the north and reconquer the capital and the south (there were plans for that scenario).
A communist regime would be short lived and the support would not go above 20% in the best scenario (with great variations in support across the country - some parts of the south would support it, but for example, a little north of Lisbon, their support would be minimal, and reduced to some supporters in large cities or historical industrial areas).
 
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This sums it well.:)

The societal bases for a strong communist support aren't present. A POD to make this happen in a clear manner requires an early POD that changes the dominant rural propriety structure from smallholdings into large estates as in parts of the south.
In case of a communist coup, the majority of the army and parties would regroup in the north and reconquer the capital and the south (there were plans for that scenario).
A communist regime would be short lived and the support would not go above 20% in the best scenario (with great variations in support across the country - some parts of the south would support it, but for example, a little north of Lisbon, their support would be minimal, and reduced to some supporters in large cities or historical industrial areas).

WI would be the consequences of a Portuguese Civil War in 1975 if a communist coup succeed in taking the southern parts of the country? Portugual seems to me to be a relative quiet country in terms of internal strifes, much like its former colony Brazil and very different from the always turbulent Spain (the Carnation Revolution was in essence bloodless)...how would a modern civil war affect the development of the Portuguese democracy from the 70s until today?
 
WI would be the consequences of a Portuguese Civil War in 1975 if a communist coup succeed in taking the southern parts of the country? Portugual seems to me to be a relative quiet country in terms of internal strifes, much like its former colony Brazil and very different from the always turbulent Spain (the Carnation Revolution was in essence bloodless)...how would a modern civil war affect the development of the Portuguese democracy from the 70s until today?
The war would not be long, but it could end with several results (those that occur to me at the moment):

  • The banishment of the Communist Party and other left-wing forces that cooperate with them (Can't be sure about whether Trotskyites and Maoists would get banned since they disliked communists and the Maoists verbally attacked them);
  • A few less civil liberties for a while;
  • The far right might get more tolerance than OTL (as it would be part of the loyalist forces in such civil war scenario).
  • The Socialist Party might get some votes from former communist voters, while the Social Democrats and the Democratic Social Centre might get more votes from former Socialist voters;
  • Far right parties that were negligible in OTL might get to elect a few MPs (at least for a while);
  • While in some parts of the north, persecution from far-right remnants against communists might result in murders, in most places the three major parties will ensure that punishment for supporting the communist coup would simply mean prison sentences (that might get reduced for good behaviour).
Hope this helps.:)
 
If this happens, independent Azores.
Regarding Azores (and Madeira), it will depend on how much control and coordination the anti-communist forces in the mainland retain during the fight (and the level of international recognition attained by the democratic forces during the fight against communists).
 

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The banishment of the Communist Party and other left-wing forces that cooperate with them (Can't be sure about whether Trotskyites and Maoists would get banned since they disliked communists and the Maoists verbally attacked them)

If they are banned, we might get an odd butterfly: no Barroso. He was a member of the Maoist student group at the time and might find himself shut out of a political career after a Portuguese Civil War.
 

Meerkat92

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What makes you think NATO won't just fund the real government and the inevitable Portugese Resistance to try and take it back?
 
WI would be the consequences of a Portuguese Civil War in 1975 if a communist coup succeed in taking the southern parts of the country? Portugual seems to me to be a relative quiet country in terms of internal strifes, much like its former colony Brazil and very different from the always turbulent Spain (the Carnation Revolution was in essence bloodless)...how would a modern civil war affect the development of the Portuguese democracy from the 70s until today?


The hardened combat veterans from the 13 years of colonial war were mostly on the "blue" side. The units they controled had kept up training and discipline. They were backed by a reserve of former soldiers ready to be called in. The few units that were "red" friendly were mostly untrained recruits with no discipline and questionable political motivation.
If the "blue" units had failed to take control of Lisbon on November 25th, they were to pull back out of the city, join with reinforcments coming from the North and retake Lisbon. Then they would drive south.
The Portuguese Communist Party had good organization and some very capable people (Alvaro Cunhal was arguably the most capable political brain in Portugal, pity he was a comunist). But they never had a tradition of armed action and mostly rejected it. There were a bunch of Maoist and Trotsykist groups but the fact that they are mostly conservative politicians now speaks volumes about their conviction...
A red win requires a POD in the 50/60s at least and probably before 1910.
 
Considering what happened to Chile a couple years before, I'd say Portugal electing a Red leadership might result in a NATO intervention.
 
Considering what happened to Chile a couple years before, I'd say Portugal electing a Red leadership might result in a NATO intervention.

Would the U.S intervene in a foreing country just after Vietnam? Portugual was not essencial for U.S security...
 
Would the U.S intervene in a foreing country just after Vietnam? Portugual was not essencial for U.S security...

Lages base in the Azores was one of the most valuable pieces of real estate of the cold war. And a red Portugal with soviet naval bases would make the Atlantic sea routes extremely vulnerable. There was no way that NATO would let Portugal go red. We could take care of our communist menace alone, but if we hadn't been able to the US would have lend a hand to the blue faction.
 
Lages base in the Azores was one of the most valuable pieces of real estate of the cold war. And a red Portugal with soviet naval bases would make the Atlantic sea routes extremely vulnerable. There was no way that NATO would let Portugal go red. We could take care of our communist menace alone, but if we hadn't been able to the US would have lend a hand to the blue faction.

It would be possible to the Azores become a kind of Portuguese Taiwan (a pro-capitalist government implanted there) and the Mainland staying as a Commie or at least a "Non-Aligned Country" (ex: like Yugoslavia)?
 
We could split the difference, and have the Communists be the big players in the transition to democracy. Since they're smart enough o know they don't have the resources to go full Red, but with the right POD they could be influential enough within the Army, and have enough of a civilian power base to be a big player in democratization.
 
Well thankfully Franco is either dead or dying and Spain starting her transition to democracy so that should defuse the possibility of direct Spanish intervention. They're still likely to be nervous though so expect the military to be moved towards the border and the various police and intelligence agencies being very vigilent. The US is not going to like this so I could easily see the CIA starting up a destabilisation programme as soon as possible. With Spain no longer Francoist that should give them enough cover to be able to base themselves out of there, and whilst Franco is gone the various right wing supporters are still in positions of power so they're likely to co-operate either officially or unofficially.

The Soviet Union is going to be very happy. Not sure what if anything substansive they're going to do though, perhaps we see Soviet vessels making a lot of port calls. For NATO Portugal is going to be out, the other member states are likely to suspend co-operation with them at the very least, and Spain is likely to become a member much faster than the seven years it took in our timeline. Depending on how friendly/aligned this new Portugal is with the USSR we could be seeing a lot of new US/NATO bases in Castille-Leon, Extremadura, and Andalucia.

Franco is no longer the one calling the shots (for the record, he ordered to bomb and/or mine the path of the Green March and nobody gave a shit) but that does not mean that 1975 Spain is a demoracy or that it will not intervene. Arias Navarro plain told Kissinger that he was ready to invade Portugal if he had the blessing of the USA.

While short and in Spanish, the article is worth a read because it touches a lot of interesting points. The Portuguese Revolution had scared Arias and he paralysed further reforms at the time. Meanwhile, the government was at odds with Washington because it though that it was supporting Morocco in the Sahara and that it was not working to let Spain enter NATO any time soon. Of course, this was because other European countries flat out refused to have Spain in either NATO or the EEC, and every leader of a democratic European government who pushed for the cosideration of ally to a regime born with Nazi and Fascist assistance was bound to get gang-raped in the next elections. I suppose Arias was trying to kill 2 birds with one stone and try to erase both the threat of a communist government in Portugal and to get better relations with America. The Americans hand could be forced because 1975 was also the year (by pure coincidence!) when the continued existence of American bases on Spanish soil was set to be re-negotiated.

I suppose Dr. Strangelove would be the man to ask about this, but I see Arias embarking in this war as the swan song of the dictatorship - especially if the Americans actually don't make a big commitment. Even with the Portuguese army divided, the African wars had left Portugal with a big, trained army - twenty times larger than the peace time Spanish army if we take this Wikipedia map seriously. So most of the troops would have been draftees taken from the same young college-aged guys that are rioting for political freedom and reforms. An invasion would spark nationalism and act as an unifying factor in Portugal, and fail to do the same in Spain since there is no way to portray this war as defensive (unlike, say, a war with Morocco). Meanwhile, France is a safe heaven for opposition groups and could care less if they are armed and get their gadgets there or not, and there are the effects of the recent 1973 oil crisis to care about. To top that, the Francoist government itself is divided.

Needless to say, this should have big consequences.
 
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