Max Sinister
Banned
I was thinking about the big players in the HRE and how it came that no single power managed to get control of all of it. There were some who tried: Henry the Lion of Saxony and Bavaria (defeated); Ottokar Przemysl (dito); the Luxemburg dynasty (died out); and of course the Habsburgs (they got a lot, but other powers, esp. France wouldn't let them get all of the HRE for them). At least the Habsburgs were certainly the strongest dynasty in Germany after they inherited Bohemia, Hungary and Burgundy and became emperors for several centuries.
Now I wondered what had happened if no power at all managed to get even as far as the Habsburgs. Let's say, they don't inherit said territories, are restricted to core Austria, a power like others. Sometimes they're elected emperor, but more often princes from other dynasties; the Wittelsbachs, the Luxemburgers (as long as they aren't died out), or others - the Wettines (Saxony), the Hohenzollern, maybe even the Bohemian Jagiellons (if you fear the latter might become too powerful: Let the prince-electors demand from them that they don't use troops from their relatives in Poland for internal German affairs).
So what happens now that there are about a dozen middle powers in the HRE (Seven to nine prince-electors, plus maybe Hesse, Württemberg, Pomerania)? After the dynasties are established, there isn't much to do but to wait that some dynasty dies out and the current emperor can give it to his family. And even that wasn't possible later. At some time, the princes might decide to divide the realms of the church among them, or even the free cities and other little places, but else... Would the other European powers try to conquer parts of the helpless HRE, like France did? Since it's difficult for a dozen powers to agree, a big reform is unlikely.
One could also think about the possibility of a French king elected emperor. IOTL this didn't happen, since the Habsburgs had enough American gold to pay for their election everytime... but TTL, it could happen, and the logical next step for France would be a conquest of Italy. A French Europe...
Now I wondered what had happened if no power at all managed to get even as far as the Habsburgs. Let's say, they don't inherit said territories, are restricted to core Austria, a power like others. Sometimes they're elected emperor, but more often princes from other dynasties; the Wittelsbachs, the Luxemburgers (as long as they aren't died out), or others - the Wettines (Saxony), the Hohenzollern, maybe even the Bohemian Jagiellons (if you fear the latter might become too powerful: Let the prince-electors demand from them that they don't use troops from their relatives in Poland for internal German affairs).
So what happens now that there are about a dozen middle powers in the HRE (Seven to nine prince-electors, plus maybe Hesse, Württemberg, Pomerania)? After the dynasties are established, there isn't much to do but to wait that some dynasty dies out and the current emperor can give it to his family. And even that wasn't possible later. At some time, the princes might decide to divide the realms of the church among them, or even the free cities and other little places, but else... Would the other European powers try to conquer parts of the helpless HRE, like France did? Since it's difficult for a dozen powers to agree, a big reform is unlikely.
One could also think about the possibility of a French king elected emperor. IOTL this didn't happen, since the Habsburgs had enough American gold to pay for their election everytime... but TTL, it could happen, and the logical next step for France would be a conquest of Italy. A French Europe...