From The Streets of Detroit: America's Auto Powerhouse

"There are many in who, in an alternate universe, are people who say that Detroit could have chosen to take the easy profits, as so many millions of people did in the post-war era, a time when the future was as bright as the sun, gas was cheap, interstates made travel easy and American cars were simple things, immense steel brutes that lit night into day with reflections off of their chrome horns. But this alternate universe would have allowed Detroit's spirit, the engineers who won the Second World War, to die away like so much garbage, and such would have been one of the greatest wastes of our time. And enough far-sighted men made sure that didn't happen to turn Detroit not just into a purveyor of land yachts, but into the place where the world's auto industry turned to. When Toyota engineers clean out GM dealerships of new models and promptly put them on boats to Japan, what else can one say other than imitation is the most sincere form of flattery?"
-- Brock Yates, American Iron and Carbon, 2005

At the end of World War II, so much of the opening statement of Brock Yates' now-iconic book was true that it actually scared many of the people who study history. After all, considering the awesome heights of modern America, how could it not be terrifying?

When one looks at where the industry's changes began, there is one place where many historians say it all began, and that was at the development of the first real small car made by Detroit, in the heights of its glory days. And that was 1958, when a short but sharp economic recession in America brought about, for its car industry, an alarming reality. Detroit didn't make small cars, they made cars that were big, bigger and enormous. Detroit's immunity from the oil shocks that had so shaken Western Europe after the Suez Crisis had never really allowed the idea of small cars to catch on in Detroit, but cars like the Volkswagen Beetle certainly did, and when Detroit made its collective decision to eradicate the imports, most decided that the small cars should eradicate the imports than drop out of sight as quickly as possible. But it didn't quite work out that way....

The American small cars that arrived on the market in 1960 comprised of three offerings from the Big Three Detroit makers. The Plymouth Valiant was the most conventional in design and marketing, and the Ford Falcon, while mechanically fairly similar in design, was marketed as just bare-bones transportation - a fact that ensured the Falcon got nowhere under the leadership of Ford's "Whiz Kid", Robert McNamara, one of the boys who followed Henry Ford II into the company in the post-war era. The AMC Rambler American also followed this category, and while a visionary George Romney was, The Rambler was hardly a success, and like the Falcon and Valiant, it was an unoriginal design - straight-six engine driving through a three or four speed transmission to the rear wheels, the wheels using the same double A-arm front suspension and live axle rear as most Detroit cars in the post-war era did. They were, in effect, six-cylinder small cars with the same designs in many ways as their bigger cousins. This was a good idea from a reliability point of view - and true to form, reliability was a strong suit for all of the early 1960s compacts. But it was also true of cars like the Volkswagen Beetle, and the Detroit offerings, while being far quicker and roomier than the Beetle, and not having the Volkswagen's handling quirks, were complete failures at expelling the German-built machine. The Valiant was ingenious in its use of torsion bars in the front suspension and aluminum castings, but it was effectively a still very conservative design - its engine, for example, had been designed to have its engine block be made of aluminum, but Chrysler's conservatism mandated it be made of cast iron, a decision that improved durability but came at a considerable weight penalty.

But General Motors, with its Corvair, was a totally different story altogether....

"Head office was, as usual, penny-pinching on the development of new cars, but Ed [Cole] and Bunkie [Kundsen] wouldn't budge. Not an inch. He made it clear that if the Corvair was going to truly seduce American car buyers, it had to be the best-designed and best-built possible. He nearly took a swing at a guy who demanded he delete the rear stabilizer bar to save costs, stating that paying the victims of Corvair crashes was cheaper than making the car right in the first place. Ed made sure everybody across the divisions heard of that story, and it pissed off enough of the board that Ed got his way. The board wanted his hide for a while, but the Corvair's success stopped that idea. By the time the story stopped circulating, one wondered if the offending accountant was still employed at General Motors."

-- John DeLorean, On A Clear Day You Can See General Motors, 1980

The Corvair was not like anything General Motors had ever made before. Rear-engined and powered by an air-cooled flat-six engine, the Corvair used independent suspension on all four corners, and most notably, disc brakes on all four corners. Ed's old friend Zora Arkus-Duntov was a big player here, advocating that the disc brakes and stabilizer bars on both ends be used on all Corvairs. It proved to be a good decision, as the Corvair rapidly established itself a reputation for beautiful handling, though its original 2.3-liter flat-6 engine only made 80 horsepower, and thus acceleration was not exactly fast. A unibody car (a first for GM, but not for Detroit by any means), Cole's advocating of better body fabrication, echoed by Pontiac division rising star John DeLorean, was also worth the work. The Corvair, introduced in the fall of 1959, would go on to change Detroit forever.

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A 1961 Chevrolet Corvair Lakewood station wagon

The Corvair was a show-stopper, and both the motoring press and the world at large rapidly fell in love with it. "As fine a handling automobile as any we have driven in a long time." wrote Road and Track in their February 1960 issue, and that fact came up early and often. The Corvair's independent suspension and stiff body fabrication, as well as its rapid steering and excellent brakes, gave the car the feel of an oversized go-kart, a feel that became one of the Corvair's greatest selling points - after all, if you have to drive a small car instead of a big one, why not make the small one a blast to drive?

The Corvair scored enormously in the marketplace right from the start. Despite a strike at US Steel that slowed early production, over 420,000 Corvairs moved out in their first year, and with the introduction of the amazing Monza coupe, as well as the Lakeview and Greenbrier station wagons and the Corvair pickup trucks, sales of the car soared to nearly 750,000 by 1962. The car was such a big seller that all of its rivals were quick to begin working to improve their entrants, in Ford's case made easier when McNamara headed off to be President Kennedy's Secretary of Defense in 1961. But the biggest surprise at GM was that the disc brakes first pioneered on the Corvette and then proved possible for mass production by the Corvair proved to be both easier to maintain and more efficient than the drum brakes used on so many cars. It didn't take long for disc brakes to spread across much of the GM range.

"The Fourteenth Floor was real pissed about the Corvair at first, because it did such a wonderful job that it actually began grabbing sales from the bigger cars at GM, and the suits that ran the place was smoking mad about that, because it made the company less money than the big cars. The big cars went so far as to propose to push the Corvair down the order, but by the time they were in a position to do that, Ford rolled out the Mustang, and the idea went to bed for good. If anything, after the Mustang, they needed the faster Corvair more than ever before."

-- Pete Estes, in an interview with Car and Driver in 1977

What the Corvair did, above all else, was prove that engineers like Cole, Arkus-Duntov and Knudsen had said for many years - if you build it better, it sells better, and there was a real benefit to embracing technology. It was a beginning, and a beginning that it wouldn't be long before all of Detroit learned, and all would take advantage of....
 
Does John Fitch play in this story at all? I seem to remember he was quite instrumental in giving the Corvair it's handles as a positive-action contra-Nader.
 
Really interesting! So, Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at any Speed" is butterflied away?

No, Unsafe At Any Speed will still happen, just it won't be specifically targeting the Corvair. It hasn't happened yet. :)

Just Leo said:
Does John Fitch play in this story at all? I seem to remember he was quite instrumental in giving the Corvair it's handles as a positive-action contra-Nader.

Fitch is one of the guys who is gonna be involved in Detroit's little technological revolution.
 

NothingNow

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So Detroit leads the way? Interesting.

So what'll happen with Romney, Dick Teague and AMC?

If anything this'd just spur them on, and if Romney doesn't run for office, and get succeeded by Abernathy, they'll be in place to be a very strong competitor and innovator.
 
Part 2 - Big Tech, Big Bucks, Big Egos and Big Wins

"How is that little bugger of a car being sold in this country, anyways?"
-- GM Vice-President John F. Gordon on the Volkswagen Beetle, 1958

"The Corvair is not just a car, it is a tool for people who are just entering the car market to have something truly desirable, a car that most anyone can afford to buy but is a machine that one does not seek to hide in his garage, but drive with pride."
-- GM Vice-President James Roche to Newsweek, 1962

"When our engineers first heard about the Corvair, nobody thought it serious, thinking it was some kind of a joke. It was like something that had come out of Europe, us thinking that it was incapable to work in America. But sometimes, one just has to admit that they make poor judgements at times. The Corvair was one of them, and as soon as we went to respond, out came the Chevy II, and we had a new problem before we even solved the first. Clever and infuriating all at the same time."
-- Henry Ford II, in an interview with Patrick Bedard, 1981

The Corvair was not by any means the only tech advancement of Detroit at the time, but it was the one which made the greatest impact simply because of the fact that the first generation Corvair managed to sell over a million units in its first 22 months on the market. GM had brought out the first production fuel-injection engine on the Corvette in 1957, and in 1961 GM's first all-aluminum V8, the Oldsmobile F-85, entered the mix as well. Both the F-85 and Corvair spawned turbocharged versions in 1963, making both resulting cars remarkably fast, though the Corvair's problems with heat as a result of the turbocharged air-cooled engine meant that heat control was one of the biggest issues that the car's engineering faced. The Oldsmobile F-85 originally was fitted with a methanol/water injection system, but the impractical nature of this system meant that for 1963, GM tried the first intercooler system, using water in a tank mounted in the trunk of the car and piping into engine bay, which had most of the same effect as the old system. The Jetfire was also an all-aluminum V8, also a revolution.

Ford, Chrysler and American Motors didn't take long to counter GM's work. Chrysler in 1963 began the production of a version of the Slant-6 engine using the originally-intended aluminum engine block, which knocked over 200 pounds off of the car's kerb weight over the heavy cast-iron unit. Chrysler's testing, however, revealed a serious problem here - the steel pistons ground the aluminum cylinder walls badly, resulting in a car that by the time it had cover 50,000 miles would be seriously down on compression and burned oil in a major way, which meant that all Slant-6 engines with aluminum engine blocks would use cast-iron cylinder liners, which were much more durable.

Ford's movement was even more dramatic. Stung by the fact that GM had so completely overwhelmed them, Ford's product guru, Lee Iacocca, pushed for the Falcon to spawn a sporty car of its own, along with marketing the Falcon as a cheaper car than the Corvair and without the Corvair's handling quirks. The sporty car, which Iacocca had pushed for years, was the Mustang, which was launched to spectacular fanfare in April 1964 at the New York World's Fair. As successful as the Corvair had been, the Mustang blew it into the weeds, selling over a million units in the first 18 months in production. The Mustang's advantage over the Corvair was that it was, underneath, very similar to the Falcon, and used the same engines as the Falcon. It was not coincidence that the sales of the sporty Corvairs fell off massively in 1964-65, which GM figured was a result of the Mustang - and considering the worst-hit versions were the sporty Monza versions of the Corvair, there was some truth to the thought.

The first-generation Corvair by now was well-known to have handling quirks, a consequence of the swing-axle rear suspension. The Corvair's suspension for 1964 gained an upper rear suspension assembly designed to reduce the car's axle tuck-in and the resulting major change in camber that resulted, but the real solution was the second generation Corvair, which ditched the swing-axle rear suspension design for a fully-independent setup for 1966. GM's introduction of the Chevy II in 1963, a response to the Corvair's perception as a sporty car and the fact that the Corvair was fairly expensive to manufacture, added to the idea that the Corvair was a car for the sporty driver, but at the time this was most definitely a good thing, as the increasing number of baby-boomers entering the American car market meant that good sporty cars at cheap enough prices for people to afford were sure to be great sellers, and so while the Corvair would never again reach its heady early 1960s heights, it would never be a black mark on GM. The Chevy II took many lessons from the Corvair, including disc brakes and independent suspension.

While the Mustang and the Corvair were looking for the hearts and minds of the younger car buyers, GM scored its early 1960s technological huge score in the 1963 Corvette....

"We had wondered when somebody would duplicate the E-Type, but we have figured it would be from Italy of Germany. It isn't. The E-Type's great rival, its most serious potential challenger today, comes from America. It is the Chevrolet Corvette, which is in no uncertain terms a triumph. We have absolutely no fear in saying this - the Corvette is one of the greatest cars in the world, at any price. If Jaguar doesn't take this car seriously, they should."
-- Autocar Magazine, June 1963

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The 1963 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe


The 1963 Corvette was the culmination of everything GM was bringing into the world of cars at the time. The original Corvette had been designed with the goal of providing an alternative to the many European sports cars sold in America at the time, but the Corvette was aimed upstairs, way high into the category occupied by cars like the Jaguar E-Type, Ferrari 250, Maserati Sebring and BMW 507. It was a machine like no other, with Larry Shimoda's Jet-Age style and Bill Mitchell's styling, with Zora Arkus-Duntov engineering the thing, the combination of which was a genuine contender to the title of the greatest car in the world. The Corvette boasted the usage of a fuel-injected V8 across most models, independent suspension on all corners, disc brakes and - a first for Detroit - the usage of Michelin X radial tires.

Radial tires had been first tested by Ford, but Arkus-Duntov had practically begged to use them on the Corvette, finding that the car would have much better handling as a result, and he was right on that front - testing in second-generation Corvettes found the bias-ply versions to be sloppy, but the ones using radial tires to be much better handling. Radial tires had such an improvement in the handling of cars that most cars would soon have them, though it would be time before luxury cars would, largely out of concern that the stiffer radial tires would compromise the ride quality which was still the absolute of indicators for such cars in the early 1960s. But the better handling of the radials was such an improvement in the way that cars equipped with them drove that the changeover to them was effectively inevitable.

The advances in automotive technology in Detroit was taking huge amounts of money, but in the environment of early 1960s America this was no real problem, as the billions of dollars in profits made by GM on cars was sufficient that it was more than capable of affording paying for technological advancement. GM stockholders frequently argued that the costs of building such cars was damaging to GM's stock prices, but the counter-argument made by the likes of Cole (now the head of GM's car and truck group), Mitchell and DeLorean claimed that if General Motors didn't do it, somebody else would - and the number of advances being brought out at their crosstown rivals hammered the point home. Still, with the vast sums out there being spent, it was natural that there would be problems among the vast corporation and the egos of the people who ran it.

GM by now was smack in the middle of this. Bunkie Knudsen and John DeLorean were turning Pontiac into a performance car brand with their "wide track" slogans and designs and extensive NASCAR involvement. Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and Buick all had their own ideas and their own plans as well, not to mention the work that was planned or underway at Ford, Chrysler and American Motors. It was a situation that demanded political maneuvering, and the changing times didn't help matters - though what stung most of all was a safety activist named Ralph Nader.

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Ralph Nader on the cover of Time Magazine in December 1969

"Ah, Ralph Nader. That miserable prick who thinks he knows cars better than the people who make them, who spends his time to trying to make cars into pillows so that when somebody crashes they don't get hurt. We're spending billions of dollars to make it so that somebody doesn't crash, and this man thinks we should spent that kind of money of making sure its harmless to crash."
-- James Roche, to Autoweek magazine, March 1966

Ralph Nader became a household name after his sensational book Unsafe At Any Speed was published in November 1965. Singling out General Motors for their lack of consideration about the dangers designed into American cars while attacking the industry as a whole, Nader touched off a firestorm of controversy - made worse when General Motors responded to this by spying on him and attempting to entrap him in order to destroy his credibility, a decision that would end up with Nader successfully suing General Motors. Nader's comments that Detroit was spending too much time focusing on styling and advancement of technology, in addition to his lawsuit and his singling out of the company, earned him a litany of enemies at GM and few friends at any of his rivals.

"GM was always open to making changes to make cars better for consumers, but Nader went too far. Some of the criticisms are undoubtedly valid, but his assertion that the styling changes are unnecessary is foolish. The industry is competitive, all who work in it know that. Polemics about American automobiles being designed to kill their drivers is ridiculous, and if Nader really wants to be seen as credible, such talk should be held back. It's not like he hasn't made his point already."
-- George Romney, in an interview with CBS News in Detroit, April 1966

"Mr. Nader and his friends in Washington are trying to destroy us to make a political point. Our cars now have better brakes, steering and suspension than ever, and the new radial tires are making things better still on all those fronts. Ignoring safety? Mr. Nader, customers killed in accidents aren't repeat customers."
-- GM President Frederic Donner to Motor Trend, June 1966

Nader's actions brought the government into the auto industry in a big way, an entry which brought with it a whole new set of decisions. Most of the industry had long begun fitting seatbelts to new cars, but the government added into it a whole bunch of new requirements, namely in the form of passenger safety laws. Seatbelts were made mandatory on all cars in 1966, and highly-public campaigns about vehicle safety and subsequent investigations about the problems with pollution on American cars made matters all the worse. Then Vice-President James Roche's being forced to apologize to Nader for their harassment of him became a public relations embarassment, and did nothing but give ammunition to Nader's supporters - to such a degree that famed racing driver Dan Gurney called the decision to spy on him "absolute stupidity".

Detroit had to respond to this, and doing so in the middle of the musclecar era raised new problems. The "muscle cars" era, which had begun with John DeLorean's Pontiac GTO in 1964, were by 1967 a major portion of the market, and the 1967 introduction of the Chevrolet Camaro to rival the Mustang, followed in 1968 by the Dodge Challenger / Plymouth Barracuda twins and the American Motors Javelin, made things crazier still. With the market further muddied by the cheap-but-fast Datsun 240Z import in 1969, the sporty car was so loaded up with options that a customer looking for such cars could pick and choose cars almost entirely to their taste and budget. This was good for customers, but complicated things in Detroit, and problems with assembly got worse over time as a result of labor problems (culminating in a bitter 1970 strike between Ford and Chrysler and the UAW) and the increasing age of many facilities, a particular problem for Ford.

Detroit's response to this was to comply with the laws on safety gear and improve the way cars drove. GM made disc brakes standard equipment on over half of their car lines by 1968, and by the mid-1970s such brakes would be nearly universal. GM also proposed the greater usage of supercharging and smaller engines, improving efficiency, while also working on safety issues. The muscle cars never lost their speed, but it was noted that as America's car fleet gained more of the cars built by Detroit in the 1960s with their better suspension design, brakes and tires, the number of accidents in America and the number of people killed in those accidents began a steep drop in the 1970s, a fact that even Nader himself was forced to admit.

Ford's biggest scoops of the 1960s was its surprising - and amazing success in the world of motorsports. While GM had a fair bit of success in road racing efforts and in NASCAR, Ford's ambition knew few limits. What started that most of all was Ford's attempt to purchase Ferrari in 1961-62, a deal that was going well but was then scuttled by Enzo Ferrari late in the negotiations. Not impressed, Henry Ford II's motorsports guys, particularly in Europe, set out to show up Ferrari, and that didn't take long for GM to get into it as well.

American involvement in Grand Prix racing had started at the very beginning of racing, but after WWII, Detroit largely abandoned the scene to focus on their work in America. But after Enzo's slight and Ford's call for revenge, Ford set to work destroying Ferrari, helped by Texas hot-rodder and former racing driver Carroll Shelby. Shelby's Cobra, a British-built AC sports car with a powerful Ford V8 engine, began tearing up the road racing scenes in both North America and Europe in 1962 and 1963, but in North America they encountered the formidable competition from General Motors and their Corvette Grand Sports. Ferrari remained victorious at Le Mans in 1963, but in 1964 both Ford and GM came ready for a fight - and the Shelby Cobra Daytona and Corvette Grand Sport sent Enzo to Italy with his tail between his legs, dominating the GT categories in road racing events all around the world in 1964, leaving Ferrari's 250 GTO in the dust. Ferrari, enraged, brought out a mid-engined version of the 250 to beat the Americans in 1965 - but the governing bodies considered it a Group 4 prototype, a fact that made it ineligible to run the Cobra Daytonas and Corvette Grand Sports. The Ferrari 250 GTO would win the 1965 24 Hours of Le Mans, but both Ford and GM were aiming bigger, as by early 1965 both Ford and General Motors were looking bigger than that in any case.

Ford and General Motors both had eyes on conquering Le Mans for real.

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The Chaparral 2D, which evolved into the Corvette Le Mans I


Ford's working to do it was through small British constructor Lola and boss Eric Broadley, while GM sought the help of Texas sports car racer Jim Hall and his Chaparral racing cars. In both cases, chassis developed by the enthusiasts - the Lola Mark 6 and Chaparral 2D - were fitted with bigger engines and sent out. The resulting cars were named the Ford GT40 and Chevrolet Corvette Le Mans, and both entered rounds in the 1964 and 1965 world sportscar championships. GM drew first blood, winning the Nassau Speed Weeks in the Bahamas in November 1964 with the Corvette Le Mans, while the GT40 put up its first victory in the 1965 Daytona 2000. Ford put an end to Ferrari's winning streak in 1966 with the GT40, though Ken Miles' act of protest against Ford's treatment of him led to him slowing yards from the finish and handing the win to the car of Bruce McLaren and Chris Amon. Miles' death two months later in a crash marred the series. GM struck back in the 1967 Le Mans race, a race that started disastrously when a driving mistake by Mario Andretti ten hours into the event caused a pile-up that took out three of Ford's four Mark IV GT40s. The survivor, the car driven by Dan Gurney and AJ Foyt, fought its way to victory, though the Corvette Le Mans II of Parnelli Jones and Al Unser ran them hard the whole way home. Both cars were ineligible for the 1968 Le Mans race, which limited the prototypes to three liters of engine displacement. As more than 50 GT40s had been made, John Wyer's Ford teams kept on using the GT40s, but Chaparral needed a new way of doing things.

The answer, to many's surprise, was the use of the Oldsmobile Jetfire engine. Reduced in size to three liters through the use of a shorter stroke, the high-revving aluminum engine in the featherweight Corvette Le Mans III gave GM their breakthrough, with the Jones / Unser team winning the 1968 24 Hours of Le Mans, topping the Wyer GT40s and strong efforts from both Porsche and Ferrari. GM also claimed the 1968 World Sportscar Championship. While it has to be said that Ford was focusing on Formula One by this point, GM's victories sealed the idea that they Americans had as firm a grasp on the automotive art as anyone else, and time would show just how well they could take on anyone.

As safety concerns and pollution problems took off, additional problems of the day with insurance spelled the end of the days of steadily improving speed and technology, but as the 1970s dawned, it was clear that while the demands of the world had changed, Detroit was not incapable of not just staying with the trend, but very much leading it.
 
So what'll happen with Romney, Dick Teague and AMC?

If anything this'd just spur them on, and if Romney doesn't run for office, and get succeeded by Abernathy, they'll be in place to be a very strong competitor and innovator.

Pretty much this. I had the idea of Romney staying in the car business and leading AMC until the mid-1970s, thus Abernethy never gets involved. Teague takes over AMC's design studios in 1960, and AMC's focus on small cars is initially hurt by the success of the Corvair, but Romney and AMC do well in the 1960s, though they are still stuck in fourth place. AMC under Romney and Teague moved forward with new smaller and mid-sized designs, not making the mistake of trying to take on the Big Three head on as IOTL. The result is better cars from them, and come 1970, they are gonna score in a big way....
 
Some interesting little butterflies here- the Corvair being what it could be, the '67 & earlier Novas having much better suspension (the OTL 62-67 models, though nice looking, had truly awful front suspension, & in the aftermarket today, various subframe & rack & pinion conversion kits for them are among the most common chassis/suspension items being offered by for sale for GM cars that go beyond simple bolt-ons), having disc brakes standard on a lot of cars will make them safer (I remember seeing these all-original 1970 4-4-2 W-30s & GTO Judge Ram Air IV with drum brakes in a car magazine several years ago!:eek:), and the radial tires will make a big difference in how they drive.

(IOTL, Knudsen & DeLorean wanted to make radials at least available if not standard on the GTO & performance models of the Firebird in 1966-67, because of a dramatic improvement in handling, but the only company that could make suitable tires was Michelin, & when US tire companies heard about it, they were pissed over the planned use of a foreign tire & protested to GM corporate, threatening to cause issue with tire contracts, & corporate overruled Knudsen & DeLorean & forced them to use the standard bias-ply tires from the normal suppliers, & it wasn't until the early 1970s that radials became available.)

Nice to see a TL where GM & Detroit are doing what they should have done in the '60s, though is the Corvair going to survive past 1969 TTL?
 

NothingNow

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Pretty much this. I had the idea of Romney staying in the car business and leading AMC until the mid-1970s, thus Abernethy never gets involved. Teague takes over AMC's design studios in 1960, and AMC's focus on small cars is initially hurt by the success of the Corvair, but Romney and AMC do well in the 1960s, though they are still stuck in fourth place. AMC under Romney and Teague moved forward with new smaller and mid-sized designs, not making the mistake of trying to take on the Big Three head on as IOTL. The result is better cars from them, and come 1970, they are gonna score in a big way....

Awesome. Subscribed!

Incidentally, I'm hoping that *Hornet might outshine the 99 Turbo and Ur-Quattro.
Or hell, that AMC beats the Subaru FF-1 1300G to the market, with an AWD or 4WD Hornet, possibly descended from the C101/C104 Jeepster (It'd be a nice synthesis of their areas of expertise, and a monster, but still really, really cool.)
But they've got the SJ Wagoneer coming out in '63, and that's just as big a landmark as the Corvair was.
 
Some interesting little butterflies here- the Corvair being what it could be, the '67 & earlier Novas having much better suspension (the OTL 62-67 models, though nice looking, had truly awful front suspension, & in the aftermarket today, various subframe & rack & pinion conversion kits for them are among the most common chassis/suspension items being offered by for sale for GM cars that go beyond simple bolt-ons), having disc brakes standard on a lot of cars will make them safer (I remember seeing these all-original 1970 4-4-2 W-30s & GTO Judge Ram Air IV with drum brakes in a car magazine several years ago!:eek:), and the radial tires will make a big difference in how they drive.

(IOTL, Knudsen & DeLorean wanted to make radials at least available if not standard on the GTO & performance models of the Firebird in 1966-67, because of a dramatic improvement in handling, but the only company that could make suitable tires was Michelin, & when US tire companies heard about it, they were pissed over the planned use of a foreign tire & protested to GM corporate, threatening to cause issue with tire contracts, & corporate overruled Knudsen & DeLorean & forced them to use the standard bias-ply tires from the normal suppliers, & it wasn't until the early 1970s that radials became available.)

Nice to see a TL where GM & Detroit are doing what they should have done in the '60s, though is the Corvair going to survive past 1969 TTL?

Here, Arkus-Duntov demanded the Corvette get Michelin X radials, and he got his way, and the Corvette's handling was such a revolution that there was no way the other sporty cars couldn't get those tires. Yes, Goodyear, Uniroyal and BFGoodrich get really, really mad - but in this case, the difference was so profound that GM effectively told the tire makers to get their own radials and come back to them, which they do. Radial tires are standard on all GM cars by 1970 and all Detroit cars by 1975. I'm debating whether to have Michelin buy up one of the American tire makers (IOTL they bought BFGoodrich in 1988), set up shop in the United States or neither.

As for disc brakes, that was Bendix pitching an idea to AMC and GM about using them, along with Arkus-Duntov (who here is now sitting on GM's board as one of its chief engineers) and the other performance car engineers. GM also rapidly discovers that with double-chamber master cylinders being common (mandatory after 1967) and disc brakes being easier to install and maintain than drum brakes, there was no reason not to use discs across the board. Likewise, the better suspension is no more complicated or expensive and it gets much better results, so why the heck not?

And yes, the Corvair is going to survive past 1969. The second-generation Corvair will last until 1972, and a third-generation will be produced from 1973 to 1981. The Corvair and Nova will be replaced by the Cavalier in 1982, and the Cavalier in this world will be a very, very different beast than OTL.
 
Awesome. Subscribed!

Incidentally, I'm hoping that *Hornet might outshine the 99 Turbo and Ur-Quattro.
Or hell, that AMC beats the Subaru FF-1 1300G to the market, with an AWD or 4WD Hornet, possibly descended from the C101/C104 Jeepster (It'd be a nice synthesis of their areas of expertise, and a monster, but still really, really cool.)
But they've got the SJ Wagoneer coming out in '63, and that's just as big a landmark as the Corvair was.

I'm not jumping that far that early, but the idea I had off the bat is for 1970 for AMC to kick out two excellent small cars, the Hornet and the Gremlin, both of which powered by all-aluminum supercharged inline-fours, which make excellent power and get very good fuel economy, and both the Hornet and Gremlin score big in the marketplace just before the energy crisis hits. New Corvair and Nova models at the same time helps keep GM in the game, but the Pinto is an abysmal flop (and still known for the exploding fuel tanks) and Chrysler's lack of consideration for smaller cars just about buries them. Ford swings for the skies by scrapping the Pinto in favor of bringing the European Mark II Escort and Cortina stateside, which works rather better.
 
If you do not mind, I'm gonna steal a fair number of the ideas from your F1 World Champions thread for this with regards to motorsport.

Feel free...An American auto industry that didn't retreat behind the castle walls? I'm for it!
 
Feel free...An American auto industry that didn't retreat behind the castle walls? I'm for it!

Hehehe....this American auto industry is not only not retreating behind the walls, but they are heading for the others guys' walls with the cannons loaded....
 
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and Chrysler's lack of consideration for smaller cars just about buries them. Ford swings for the skies by scrapping the Pinto in favor of bringing the European Mark II Escort and Cortina stateside, which works rather better.

Please, yes! :cool: Plus the Fiesta as well, once that comes around, and let's keep the Escort and Cortina in the North American lineup permanently.

As for Chrysler - well, if they have to scramble for small cars, as even though it's outdated, one possible solution would be to import the Simca 1000 as a stopgap, followed by the Simca 1100 (which was all new for 1967). After all, by now Chrysler owns Simca, which means that there is a steady stream of small and medium-sided cars Chrysler could use. If the Simca 1100 were successful in North America, then it could also be produced locally (with better bodies and more consideration for how harsh a North American winter could be), plus the Matra Rancho derivative which opens up a whole new market (well before OTL's Subaru Legacy Outback back in the mid 1990s). The Rancho would definitely be popular in Canada, for sure, cutting into the profits of the Lada Niva (of which the Niva was essentially similar in terms of concept, but the Niva was more an SUV than the Rancho). The Simca 1100 could might as well save Chrysler.

If so, then there's a whole range of possibilities from integrating Simca products into Chrysler's North American lineup. If Matra learned to avoid the OTL quality issues associated with it (and let's be clear, the reason in OTL why the Simca 1100 didn't sell well in the UK was because of quality issues, particularly on the car body), then the Matra Bagheera would that much better of a car, to the point where Chrysler could probably try it out in North America. Maybe the Chrysler 180 would be a much better car overall and thus be able to win North American hearts and minds.

So, for Chrysler, you've got possibilities. Sure, Chrysler's lack of consideration for domestically-produced small cars would kill them, but that's why there's Simca coming in like a knight in shining armour.
 
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