Alternate WWII Alliances

Alternate History Geek

Alternate History Geek

Based on this thread, how about these alternate WWII alliances?

Axis
Germany
Italy
United States of America
Republic of China
Hungary
Slovakia
Romania
Bulgaria
Finland
Siam
Iraq
Brazil
Argentina
Spain

Allies
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
France
Denmark
Norway
Sweden
Poland
Holland
Belgium
Luxembourg
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Yugoslavia
Greece
Portugal
Turkey
Canada
Uruguay
Chile
Paraguay
Bolivia
Peru
Colombia
Ecuador
Venezuela
Persia
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Union of South Africa
Australia
New Zealand
India
Ethiopia
Iceland
Spanish Republican government-in-exile and Free Spanish Legion

Soviet Bloc
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
People's Republic of China
Mongolia
Tuvan People's Republic

Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere
Empire of Japan
Manchukuo
Mengjiang
Reformed National Government of the Republic of China

Neutrals
Switzerland
Mexico
Yemen
Liechtenstein
Monaco
Guatemala
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Belize
Honduras
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Costa Rica
Panama
Cuba

How does the war go?
 
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JRScott

Banned
The Axis will crush the Allies

The Soviet Block will fall to the Axis in the west and to the Japanese block in the East.


You see without the United States propping them up Britain, Russia, Turkey, Greece etc have no chance against Germany. In essence you put the most industrialized countries all in the Axis.

The Japanese will have a hard time against the Axis as well if it came to it.
 

MattII

Well if the US joins the Axis everyone is dead, but a neutral US doesn't end the same, the Soviets didn't need outside help to beat the Germans, just to pull those big manoeuvres from '43 onwards.
 

Enigmajones

As per my timeline

Konigsberg Summit Nations
Republic of Germany: 1972-1978
Fourth French Republic: 1972-1979
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: 1972-1977

Allies of the Konigsberg Summit
Kingdom of Hungary: 1975-1979
Kingdom of Yugoslavia: 1977-1979
Peoples Hellenic State: 1975-1977
Workers Republic of Turkey: 1975-1977

Rome Pact
Kingdom of Italy
Kingdom of Yugoslavia: Founding member, left in 1977.
Republic of Croatia
Empire of Austria
Republic of Albania
Tsardom of Bulgaria
Kingdom of Montenegro: 1977-1979
Czechoslovakia: Founding member, dismantled in the peace process.

Allies of the Rome Pact
United States of America: 1977-1979
Kingdom of Australia: 1977-1979
Kingdom of Northern Ireland: 1977-1979
Republic of Ireland: 1977-1979
Kingdom of Sarawak: 1977-1979

Neutral Parties that cooperated with World Pact Forces
United Republic of Great Britain: 1975-1979
Kingdom of Denmark: 1977-1979

That is, obviously the set up for my TL's WW2.
 

JRScott

Banned
MattII said:
Well if the US joins the Axis everyone is dead, but a neutral US doesn't end the same, the Soviets didn't need outside help to beat the Germans, just to pull those big manoeuvres from '43 onwards.
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Without a Japanese/US war, then Russia will face attacks from the west and east, it will not be as easy and Russia will fall. Japan would probably prefer to build its powerbase in east asia rather than try to mess with the US and thus the Axis.
 

Enigmajones

JRScott said:
Without a Japanese/US war, then Russia will face attacks from the west and east, it will not be as easy and Russia will fall. Japan would probably prefer to build its powerbase in east asia rather than try to mess with the US and thus the Axis.
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No. It really won't.
 

MattII

JRScott said:
Without a Japanese/US war, then Russia will face attacks from the west and east, it will not be as easy and Russia will fall. Japan would probably prefer to build its powerbase in east asia rather than try to mess with the US and thus the Axis.
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Ever heard of Khalkhin Gol? The Japanese were terrified of the Soviets, hence why they maintained strict neutrality, even when the Soviets were getting their collective asses handed to them by the Germans.
 

Alex1guy

JRScott said:
Without a Japanese/US war, then Russia will face attacks from the west and east, it will not be as easy and Russia will fall. Japan would probably prefer to build its powerbase in east asia rather than try to mess with the US and thus the Axis.
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Japan's army was a light infantry force largely, ill equip to deal with the Soviets. They won't invade the USSR, just because it looks like a convenient place to attack, doesn't mean it is. This isn't Risk.
 
Clandango

Clandango

Mexico must be keeping quite. I am having trouble seeing Uruguay going up against the Argentinians, Brazilians, and Americans and would imaging that other countries would be trying to woo the Americans in exchange for arms. Are they simply being left out of the Axis as a sacrifice to the Argentinians and Brazilians? It seems that they would keep Paraguay and Urugay as buffer states and deal with internal order first and foremost.
 

JRScott

Banned
Clandango said:
Mexico must be keeping quite. I am having trouble seeing Uruguay going up against the Argentinians, Brazilians, and Americans and would imaging that other countries would be trying to woo the Americans in exchange for arms. Are they simply being left out of the Axis as a sacrifice to the Argentinians and Brazilians? It seems that they would keep Paraguay and Urugay as buffer states and deal with internal order first and foremost.
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Japan would be reinforcing their armies/air force/navy with American built equipment since the Americans are part of the Axis and thus not propping up the Allies, its why Japan will attack into Russia unlike the others seem to think.

It is certain most of the Axis countries except Germany and Italy would probably likewise look to the USA to help provide arms and build up their countries.

With Gibraltar lost there is no way the Allies can reinforce the Med and they'll lose the Med to the Germans and Italians.
 
Clandango

Clandango

I should have been more specific. I wondered why countries in the Americas were going up against Argentina, Brazil, and the United States.
 
Alternate History Geek

Alternate History Geek

JRScott said:
Japan would be reinforcing their armies/air force/navy with American built equipment since the Americans are part of the Axis and thus not propping up the Allies, its why Japan will attack into Russia unlike the others seem to think.

It is certain most of the Axis countries except Germany and Italy would probably likewise look to the USA to help provide arms and build up their countries.

With Gibraltar lost there is no way the Allies can reinforce the Med and they'll lose the Med to the Germans and Italians.
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Japan would not be reinforcing its arms forces with American equipment. They and the United States are still in different alliances and still enemies!

Japan will not attack the USSR, their army has virtually no armor worth mentioning and they were terrified of the Soviets after Khalkhin Gol. Why do you think they didn't attack Vladivostok when the Soviets were on their last legs at the height of OTL Barbarossa?

Mostly agreed on the second point but Italy might look to either the United States or Germany for replacements to its own ineffective and obsolete weaponry.

Agreed on the last point.
 
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Clandango

Clandango

How about doing something involving a coup against the Duke of York and Wallis Simpson, as she was a rather racist American and the Germans would love to suggest their was some plot that make the Duke abdicate. Maybe get some overseas colonies to call loyalty to him so that the Empire splits, like with the Vichy Regime and Free French Forces. It should allow a portion of the pro-British feelings to support the Axis in that manner.
 
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