My Philippines Alternatehistory Idea

kasumigenx · Aug 28, 2012

I am thinking of a Philippines with an unconquerable North(North of Pasig River) and an unconquerable South but Central Philippines is still colonized, I think this scenario is possible because Cordillera, Mindoro, Sulu and Maguindanao were not colonized till the Americans came. I am thinking also of Southern Luzon being colonized but later on the regime on Northern Luzon would conquer it and I am also thinking of Sulu being a Superpower from a regional trading power that it was in OTL.

My POD would be year 1300.

Seeing that in many TL's here it is screwed, actually, I already have an outline for this scenario.

Michael Wittmann · Aug 28, 2012

That... Idea... is... BEAST!!!!
(Me and my Filipino friend endorse this)

Onyx · Aug 28, 2012

Study hard, write good, do it like a Boss

Proceed

MarshalBraginsky · Aug 28, 2012

Don't forget the British occupation portion though.

kasumigenx · Aug 28, 2012

MarshalBraginsky said:
Don't forget the British occupation portion though.

But the british power may be butterflied, I am planning for Central Philippines to be conquered by Portugal-Castile or a united Iberia.

MarshalBraginsky · Aug 28, 2012

In this case why not have Mindanao captured by the Ottoman Empire instead? As the vassal of Aceh or Malacca though.

kasumigenx · Aug 28, 2012

MarshalBraginsky said:
In this case why not have Mindanao captured by the Ottoman Empire instead? As the vassal of Aceh or Malacca though.

I think a Majapahit Vassal might not be bad, I think a Superpower Sulu since it has Zamboanga might stop any attempts of Aceh or Malacca to invade Mindanao.

The Ubbergeek · Aug 28, 2012

I wondered recently and poundered making a thread who ask this question(s) (and others) - who would have taken Philipines if not Spain? Portugal? Dutches? Britishes? Or even more far out maybe, if no european powers did... Malay king with perhaps help of the Mindao muslims? Japanese or chinese adventurers carving a kingdom?

MarshalBraginsky · Aug 28, 2012

How about either a surviving Majapahit Kingdom or Malacca Sultanate? They could have been good candidates to colonize at least parts of the Philippines. I tried to make a thread on a Mongol presence in the Philippines but fell apart on that one.

kasumigenx · Aug 28, 2012

MarshalBraginsky said:
How about either a surviving Majapahit Kingdom or Malacca Sultanate? They could have been good candidates to colonize at least parts of the Philippines. I tried to make a thread on a Mongol presence in the Philippines but fell apart on that one.

A surviving Majapahit would be cool..

I wondered recently and poundered making a thread who ask this question(s) (and others) - who would have taken Philipines if not Spain? Portugal? Dutches? Britishes? Or even more far out maybe, if no european powers did... Malay king with perhaps help of the Mindao muslims? Japanese or chinese adventurers carving a kingdom?

If the Spanish did not invade the Philippines, the Northern Philippines would remain under Bruneian control or Vassalage, since it only took a traitor member of the Bolkiah family(Lakandula) to ruin the Bruneian Empire but the Bruneians could get lucky if Lakandula is killed earlier.

Another is that Sulu is the next target of Brunei to annex. In my scenario Brunei does not rise as a power.

The Ubbergeek · Aug 28, 2012

kasumigenx said:
If the Spanish did not invade the Philippines, the Northern Philippines would remain under Bruneian control or Vassalage, since it only took a traitor member of the Bolkiah family(Lakandula) to ruin the Bruneian Empire.

Another is that Sulu is the next target of Brunei to annex, actually in my scenario Brunei does not rise as a power.

Didn't know this - I thought the non muslim parts where self-ruling more or less.

kasumigenx · Aug 28, 2012

The Ubbergeek said:
Didn't know this - I thought the non muslim parts where self-ruling more or less.

In fact the Bolkiah cadet lineages are still in politics in the Philippines and that includes it's previous president Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

Odyssey · Aug 28, 2012

kasumigenx said:
I am thinking of a Philippines with an unconquerable North(North of Pasig River) and an unconquerable South but Central Philippines is still colonized, I think this scenario is possible because Cordillera, Mindoro, Sulu and Maguindanao were not colonized till the Americans came. I am thinking also of Southern Luzon being colonized but later on the regime on Northern Luzon would conquer it and I am also thinking of Sulu being a Superpower from a regional trading power that it was in OTL.

My POD would be year 1300.

Seeing that in many TL's here it is screwed, actually, I already have an outline for this scenario.

I hope you go through with this, as it would be the first TL about Philippines that I've seen on this site...

kasumigenx · Aug 28, 2012

Mig114 said:
I hope you go through with this, as it would be the first TL about Philippines that I've seen on this site...

I actually, had a TL about the Philippines already before and the POD is the invasion of Bolkiah in the city of Manila in which ITTL Bolkiah dies on action.

http://kasumigenx.blogspot.com/2012/07/alternate-history-terraces-and-pagodas.html

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=193791

Odyssey · Aug 28, 2012

kasumigenx said:
I actually, had a TL about the Philippines already before and the POD is the invasion of Bolkiah in the city of Manila in which ITTL Bolkiah dies on action.

http://kasumigenx.blogspot.com/2012/07/alternate-history-terraces-and-pagodas.html

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=193791

Hm...

I got some reading to do then.

Thanks for the link.

The Ubbergeek · Aug 29, 2012

kasumigenx said:
In fact the Bolkiah cadet lineages are still in politics in the Philippines and that includes it's previous president Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

Ahhh, I see o.o

kasumigenx · Aug 30, 2012

In the Kingdom of Selurong, the Dominant Language is Selurongese, which is a merger of North Cordilleran/North Eastern Luzon, Central Luzon and Sambalic languages, while the two other major languages there are Samtoy(OTL Ilocano) and Pangasinense.
In Filipinas the two major languages are Kumintang and Visayan while the official language is Spanish.
In Sulu, the Official language is Tausug
In Mindanao, the official language is Maranao

This is basically what I am thinking off.

twovultures · Aug 30, 2012

kasumigenx said:
This is basically what I am thinking off.

Those borders look oddly familiar. Waaaaaiiiiiiiit a minute...

Are you trying to re-create Game of Thrones in an Alt Hist Philippines?*

*For the record, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that

kasumigenx · Aug 30, 2012

twovultures said:
Those borders look oddly familiar. Waaaaaiiiiiiiit a minute...

Are you trying to re-create Game of Thrones in an Alt Hist Philippines?*

*For the record, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that

In fact I am also thinking to put in my TL that the King in the Northern Kingdom would want to conquer Taiwan for a brief time before losing it but retaining some islands near taiwan.

kasumigenx · Aug 30, 2012

Here is my timeline.A Terrace of Rice