WI: No 2001 Planet of the Apes

[TaintedTamt]

So I was reading a out what films some of the actors turned down to be in Planet of the Apes. Mark Wahlberg was going to be in Oceans 11 as Matt Damons character and Tim Roth was cast as Snape in Harry Potter. With these PODs what else do you think would have changed in the actors careers?

And as something else what other mo idea have actors and actresses turned down for something else that would have changed a movie?

[ScorchedLight]

Tim Burton does something with Johnny Depp wearing pale makeup and lots of spirals.
Around 2010, people realize he's been doing the same movie since 1991.

[unclepatrick]

Originally Posted by ScorchedLight

Tim Burton does something with Johnny Depp wearing pale makeup and lots of spirals.
Around 2010, people realize he's been doing the same movie since 1991.

At one point, Planet of the Apes was a James Cameron Film and was suppose to star Arnold Schwarzenegger. I read the script on line and it started with a illness that had children being born old and a Doctor following the illness into space and ending up on the Ape Planet. So it could have been worst than the Tim Burton film.

You can read the script for yourself here
http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/POTA_Remake.txt

[Emperor Norton I]

To be fair, crappy things in the Pre-Burton reboot ideas can most likely be traced to corporate jackasses messing with it. Said jackasses are the reason the original 90s reboot plans were stopped. One such example was a jackass executive who proposed a comical idea of having the apes try to play baseball or something like that, and he would not let it go.

Here's the reboot proposal I remember: They were going to disregard every film after the first, and only consider the first canon, saying that no one really payed attention to the rest. The film would be set some centuries after the first film, when the Apes had develped to Roman level technology, and you'd have a human rebellion and such.

[The Kiat]

It wasn't that bad of a movie. I prefer the original over it, but the 2001 movie is watchable.

[thekingsguard]

I'd need a new number seven spot on my worst remakes of all time list.

[vultan]

Originally Posted by Emperor Norton I

To be fair, crappy things in the Pre-Burton reboot ideas can most likely be traced to corporate jackasses messing with it. Said jackasses are the reason the original 90s reboot plans were stopped. One such example was a jackass executive who proposed a comical idea of having the apes try to play baseball or something like that, and he would not let it go.

Here's the reboot proposal I remember: They were going to disregard every film after the first, and only consider the first canon, saying that no one really payed attention to the rest. The film would be set some centuries after the first film, when the Apes had develped to Roman level technology, and you'd have a human rebellion and such.

Wasn't a remake or continuation or whatever planned in the 80's with Arnold Schwarzenegger starring?

[Snake Featherston]

Well, Helena Bonham Carter wouldn't have gotten together with Tim Burton.

[Emperor Norton I]

Originally Posted by The Kiat

It wasn't that bad of a movie. I prefer the original over it, but the 2001 movie is watchable.

So is a mugging.

You are more than free to your opinion, but I disagree. I remember watching it at the drive in when it came out, so hyped up, and as it was going on saying to my family "It wasn't supposed to suck. It wasn't supposed to suck". I can't put my finger on why exactly it did suck. Maybe it was just that it didn't have any spark in it; no feeling of life. Just dullness.

Originally Posted by vultan

Wasn't a remake or continuation or whatever planned in the 80's with Arnold Schwarzenegger starring?

Schwarzenneger was in the proposals, but I'm not sure he was the only option.

[sharlin]

Worst thing is that we'd be without this rather awesome peice of music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpjOgJO2aaM

[MattII]

Originally Posted by The Kiat

It wasn't that bad of a movie. I prefer the original over it, but the 2001 movie is watchable.

Me, I actually preferred the reboot. Why? Less hammy acting for one, and we got spared the utter crap of a not-particularly-big town somehow having enough of an industry to produce bolt-action rifles.

[Emperor Norton I]

Originally Posted by MattII

Me, I actually preferred the reboot. Why? Less hammy acting for one, and we got spared the utter crap of a not-particularly-big town somehow having enough of an industry to produce bolt-action rifles.

If you think Marky Mark is better than Heston, and that acting in that picture was better than the original, then I must disown you.

[MattII]

Feel free. I don't know if Heston's role here was representative of his normal ones, but seriously, he played George Taylor as an arrogant asshole. Also the Statue of Liberty was just jarring, that things a steel frame overlayed with copper sheets, it's got maybe half-a-century tops without maintenance before the whole thing's on the ground in a pile of rust and corrosion.

[The Kiat]

Originally Posted by MattII

Me, I actually preferred the reboot. Why? Less hammy acting for one, and we got spared the utter crap of a not-particularly-big town somehow having enough of an industry to produce bolt-action rifles.

The 1967 version was also a product of the Cold War, and had a little bit of a commentary on how we treated apes. The idea of the tables being turned after a nuclear war was somewhat scarry. And the prospect of civilization being destroyed at any minute was very real.

The ape village with its own arms industry.... yeah, I can see where you're coming from. However, when dealing with movies, try not to study them too closely.

[The Kiat]

Originally Posted by MattII

Feel free. I don't know if Heston's role here was representative of his normal ones, but seriously, he played George Taylor as an arrogant asshole.

He was a great cynic.

[Emperor Norton I]

The 1967 version was also a product of the Cold War, and had a little bit of a commentary on how we treated apes. The idea of the tables being turned after a nuclear war was somewhat scarry. And the prospect of civilization being destroyed at any minute was very real.

The ape village with its own arms industry.... yeah, I can see where you're coming from. However, when dealing with movies, try not to study them too closely.

The Cold war is in it in so far as that's what created this world at all; humans destroying themselves in an atomic war, destroying their cities, and forcing them to flee to the wild and evolve into primal humans while apes evolved and developed technology.

The script dealt mostly with other themes, though. There was race and bigotry, religion, science and ethics in science, the relation of people to animals, the very concept of a lesser than creature, whether or not man was deserving of punishment and retribution for his sins, and so many themes both of the contemporary times and representative of a critical thinking of society that had become popular and still remains contemporary. It was a very intelligent script and it did what any good Sci-Fi script should which is make us examine what it means to be human and examine our place in reality and ourselves as individuals and as a society.

Originally Posted by The Kiat

He was a great cynic.

Exactly. He wasn't an asshole beyond beyond being a cynic. He thought everything on Earth was BS, or had become BS (people making love but not knowing how to love), which is why he left it. That was the blasted point of his character.

[MattII]

Originally Posted by Emperor Norton I

The Cold war is in it in so far as that's what created this world at all; humans destroying themselves in an atomic war, destroying their cities, and forcing them to flee to the wild and evolve into primal humans while apes evolved and developed technology.

Right, so despite being one of the biggest targets in CONUS New York somehow does not get hit? Never mind how the apes could have gathered in large enough groups to procreate without risking inbreeding.

The Kiat was right, if you're going to watch a movie like this, try not to think about it, because the logic is abysmally poor.

[Emperor Norton I]

Originally Posted by MattII

Right, so despite being one of the biggest targets in CONUS New York somehow does not get hit? Never mind how the apes could have gathered in large enough groups to procreate without risking inbreeding.

The Kiat was right, if you're going to watch a movie like this, try not to think about it, because the logic is abysmally poor.

What? New York totally got hit. That's why the Ape City isn't in skyscraper
ruins, even though its right where New York City was eons ago; the city was nuked, as were all cities, and the ruins got buried underground by the elements millenia ago. That's why there's the Forbidden Zone, which is the wasteland.

[Snake Featherston]

Originally Posted by MattII

Me, I actually preferred the reboot. Why? Less hammy acting for one, and we got spared the utter crap of a not-particularly-big town somehow having enough of an industry to produce bolt-action rifles.

You expect realism in a series about talking apes replacing human civilization?

[Tocomocho]

Originally Posted by vultan

Wasn't a remake or continuation or whatever planned in the 80's with Arnold Schwarzenegger starring?

Yes. That was the project that preceded the one unclepatrick mentioned, and came very close to film in 1995. It was shot down in the last minute because, as Emperor Norton said, an idiot at FOX wanted to see apes playing baseball and the writer kept refusing to write that scene in. The script was already weird as shit, so fans of the 1968 film would probably not have liked it anyway:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=386255