The List Fictional Presidents and PMs thread.
Inspired by the original thread, I've cooked up this neat idea: ATL leaders based on fictional characters(published or not), whether from comic books, movies, cartoons(i.e. Disney, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network) etc. Anything goes, pretty much.
Just a few rules, and guidelines for those new to this concept:
1.)No ASB stuff, please. That means superpowers and magic are completely out of the question, as are non-human leaders and fantastic locales(i.e. Mount Olympus, Asgard, Themyscira, the Savage Land, etc.). If you want to base a leader on a non-human character, such as Gandalf from LOTR, please humanize them first.(If enough requests are made, though, I might just make a version of this for the ASB forums, too.)
2.)Strict POD plausibility, though not really required, is highly recommended.
For U.S. Presidents, for example, since the minimum age to become President is 35, I recommend waiting about 4 decades after the POD to begin adding your fictional characters to your list.
For example, with a POD in 1912:
Woodrow Wilson (Democrat-VA) 1912-1920
Bruce Wayne (Republican-NY) 1952-1960However, though, you may also, of course, use OTL personalities to add a sense of familiarity if you so wish.
Diana Prince (Democrat-NY) 1976-1980
Ronald Reagan (Republican-IL) 1980-1988
Michael W. Mauser (Independent-CA) 1988-1992
William Jefferson 'Bill' Clinton (Democrat-AR) 1992-2000
3.)If you would like post any lists that are in the process of being written, but not quite yet completed, that is perfectly fine, although complete lists are, of course, preferred whenever possible.
4.)Also, you may not wish to fill up your lists entirely with fiction-based characters; I personally recommend a mix of both these and truly original ones to keep things interesting.
1972-1980: Dick Grayson (Republican-NY)
1980-1984: Jeanette Sewell (Democrat-TX)
1984-1992: John Selafield (Republican-MN)
1992-2000: Scott Summers (Democrat-NY)
5.)Creativity is highly encouraged, and like in the original list, you aren't just limited to Presidents or Prime Ministers......you can do any country or system you like, pretty much. And you're not at all limited to OTL parameters; Want to do an ATL Aaron Burr-style American Imperium or a Japanese Republic? A Mussolinian Russia? A Communist Italy or France? Or even a Syndicalist Britain or Worker's Republic of the United Polynesian Islands? No problem.
Alright, here is my first list. It's still a work in progress, but I hope to have it finished sometime.
Presidents and Vice Presidents of America:
**Died in office
1860-1866: Abraham Lincoln*** (Republican-IL) / John Fremont (CA)
1866-1868: John C. Fremont (Republican-CA) / Andrew Johnson (TN)
1868-1872: William Seward (Democratic-NY) / George M. Dallas (VA)
1872-8/1873: Horace Greeley** (Democratic-NY) / Rutherford Hayes (DE)
8/1873-1876: Rutherford Hayes (Democratic-DE) / Samuel J. Tilden (ME)
1876-1880: U.S. Grant* (Republican-OH) / Lysander Spooner (VT)
9/1881-2/1884: William A. Wheeler*** (Republican-OH) / Ben Bristow (KY)
2/1884-11/1884: Ben Bristow (Republican-KY) / Vacant
1884-1888: Winfield Scott Hancock (Democratic-PA) / Samuel J. Randall (Democratic-NJ)
1888-9/1891: Samuel J. Tilden* (Republican-ME) / Roscoe Conkling (NY)
9/1891-1892: Roscoe Conkling (Republican-NY) / Vacant
1892-1900: Theodore 'Teddy' Roosevelt (Progressive-NY) / Robert Todd Lincoln (IL)
1900-1904: John J. Mulvaney (Socialist-MO) / Eugene V. Debs (IN)
1904-1908: John J. Mulvaney (Socialist-MO) / Robert Sellafield (JE)
1908-11/1911: William Howard Taft* (Republican-OH) / John L. Sherman (CO)
11/1911-1912: John L. Sherman (Unionist-CO) / Vacant
1912-1920: Robert M. LaFollette (Unionist-WI) / Charles Kane (NY)
1920-1924: James W. Peterson (Democratic-NE) / Gilbert Godfrey (ID)
1924-1928: Francis J. Harris (Unionist-NJ) / Robert Thoreson (MN)
1929-3/1932: Thomas R. 'Red Tom' Williams** (Populist-WI) / John A. Burton(MO)
3/1932-11/1932: John A. Burton (Populist-MO) / Louis Mitchell, Jr. (MD)
1933-9/1945: Robert C. Jenston*** (Democratic-MN) / Jonathan Belmont (CA)
9/1945-1948: Jonathan Belmont (Democratic-CA) / Melvin Fletcher (IL)
1948-1952: William A. Wilson (Patriot-WY) / Theodore 'Thunder' Ross (CA)
1952-1960: Donald Carville (Unionist-IA) / Eugene O'Flynn (WY)
1960-9/1963: Kenneth 'Kent' Clark* (Liberal-MI) / Wallace J. Weston (MO)
9/1963-1964: Andrew F. Schultz (Liberal-OR) / Louise 'Lois' Lane (KS)
1964-9/1971: Michael 'Mike' Walters*** (Unionist-IN) / Alexander 'Lex' Luther (KY)
9/1971-2/1974: Alexander 'Lex' Luthor (Unionist-KY) / J. Jonah Jameson (NY)
2/1974-1976: Patrick Carter (Independent-KS) / Charles Xavier (NY)
1976-7/1981: J.P. Thurston* (Unionist-WY) / Robert 'Bertie' Colville (WY)
7/1981-3/1983: Robert 'Bertie' Colville (Unionist-OK) / Thomas F. Schultz** (WI)
3-8/1983: Robert 'Bertie' Colville*** (Unionist-OK) / Vacant
8/1983-1984: Jonathan Moore (Unionist-NV) / Jackson L. Hunter (TN)
1984-1988: Howard Jeffrey 'Ducky' Goldstein (Liberal-WA) / Katherine 'Kate' Prydeman (IL)
1988-1992: Scott Summers (Independent-KS) / Robert B. C. Wayne (IN)
1992-2000: John Jackson (Liberal-CA) / Richard 'Dick' Grayson (NY)
2000-2004: Erik 'Magnus' Lehnsherr (Republican-IN) / Oliver 'Buckeye' Goodloe (IA)
2004-2012: Jonathan O. Monroe (Liberal-IL) / Corina 'Jubilee' Lee (CA)
Presidents & Vice-Presidents of the Confederacy
1860-1872: Jefferson 'Jeff' F. Davis (No Party-MS) / Robert E. Lee (VA)
1872-1878: Robert E. Lee (Confederalist-VA) / Samuel Houston (TX)
1878-2/1884: Louis T. Wigfall** (Dixiecrat-TX) / Preston Brooks (SC)
2-11/1884: Preston Brooks (Dixiecrat-SC) / Vacant
1884-9/1888: Preston Brooks* (Dixiecrat-SC) / J.F. 'Jeff' Davis, Jr. (MS)
9/1888-1890: Jeff Davis, Jr. (Dixiecrat-MS) / Vacant
1890-1896: Steven Ellison 'Steve' Holderby (Confederalist-TN) / Remy LeBeau, Sr. (LA)
1896-1902: Andrew Jackson 'Andy' Donelson, Jr. / (Reconcilation-TX) / John A. Wilcox (GA)
1902-7/1903: Andrew J. Donelson** / (Reconcilation-TX) / Victor J. Northcote (NC)
7/1903-9/1909: Victor J. Northcote*** / (Reconcilation-NC) / William F. Wilkerson (Dixiecrat-AR)
9/1909-11/1911: William F. Wilkerson / (Dixiecrat-AR) / James Hogg** (TX)
11/1911-1912: William F. Wilkerson / (Dixiecrat-AR) / William J. Satterfield (TN)
1912-1918: John L. Bettis (Confederalist-SC) / Albert Willacy (Dixiecrat-TX)
1918-4/1922: William L. Rodgers** (Dixiecrat-AR) / Lawrence R. Sprunk (TX)
1922-1924: Lawrence R. Sprunk (TX) / James W. Bickford (GA)
1924-8/1928: Jerome Hancock (Confederalist-VA) / John Harlan*** (AZ)
8/1928-11/1929: Jerome Hancock (Confederalist-VA)*** / Vacant
11/1929-1930: Robert W. Land (Independent-AR) / Fred Barnes (TX)
1930-9/1935: William A. Stryker* (Dixiecrat-NC) / Francis McCamey (TX)
9/1935-1936: Francis McCamey (Dixiecrat-TX) / Vacant
1936-10/1941: Jefferson Davis Caden (Nationalist-MS) / William J. 'Bill' Beckett*** (LA)
2/1942-9/1946: Jefferson Davis Caden (Nationalist-MS) / Philip A. Langhorne (TX)
9/1946-10/1948: Jefferson Caden (Nationalist-MS) / Vacant
1948-9/1952: Victor Vandergrift* (White Rights-GA) / James Oakley (Dixiecrat-AR)
9/1952-3/1953: James Oakley (Dixiecrat-AR) / Vacant
1952-11/1955: Leroy Franklin 'Lee' Dalton (Confederalist-TX) / Alvar O'Brien** (Confederalist-SN)
2/1956-1958: Lee Dalton (Confederalist-TX) / John A. Fairmont (AL)
1958-11/1961: Taylor Charles (Dixiecrat-SA) / Ignatius J. O'Reilly** (LA)
11/1961-1964: Taylor Charles (Dixiecrat-SA) / Albert Cameron (SQ)
1964-9/1969: John F. Beckett (Confederalist-SQ) / Jefferson Millard* (TX)
9/1969-1970: John F. Beckett*** (Confederalist-SQ) / Robert Peverell*** (AZ)
1970-7/1971: William A. 'Willie' Stewart** (No Party-VA) / Vacant
7/1971-9/1973: Frederick Ashton Kelvin**** (Dixiecrat-TX) / Thomas Jefferson Barnes (TX)
11/1973-2/1974: T.J. Barnes (Dixiecrat-TX) / George W. Hamilton (AR)
[Emergency Elections held, Jan. 1974]
1974-1978: Patrick Haynes (Confederalist-FL) / Richard Alvarado (AZ)
1978-12/1981: Albert L. Jackson* (Dixiecrat-SQ) / Christopher W. Chandler (VA)
12/1981-7/1983: Christopher W. Chandler*** (Dixiecrat-VA) / Jeremiah Stodder* (AR)
7/1983-1984: Robert 'Bob' Crandon (Dixiecrat-MS) / Walker Bush (TX)
1984-9/1986: Walker Bush (Dixiecrat-TX) / Jonathan Haywood (Confederalist-LA)
9/1986-9/1989: Jonathan Haywood (Confederalist-LA) / Elwood Paul (Independent-TX)
9/1989-1990: Elwood Paul (Independent-TX) / John 'the Neutron' Belmont (LA)
1990: Robert Rodriguez (TX) / Stephanie Leanne 'Sookie' Stackhouse (FL)
Have fun, everybody.
Stars and Stripes: The Rise of the United States. Any comments & suggestions appreciated!
Last edited by CaliBoy1990; August 5th, 2012 at 08:54 AM..
1. George Washington ,1784-1804, Washingtonian Democrat  VA
2. Thomas Jefferson, 1804-1812, Republican VA
3. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, 1812-181six, Washingtonian Democrat  SC
4. James Monroe, 181six-1820, National Agriculturalists Republicans,  VA
 The P.O.D. is that George Washington doesn't not have a political party, instead forming the Washingtonian Democrats, he reigns until 1804 when he resigns, meanwhile the French Monarchy Fights Republican rebels in the South and West, by 1804, they are all but vanquished, meanwhile in America, the New States of Wyoming, Ohio, Yazoo, Pelisipia, Michigan, and Saratoga are admitted. Vermont remains independent in the North.
The Republican Party is formed in 1797, and Thomas Jefferson wins in 1804. His biggest support comes from the Upper South and the newer states, namely Wyoming[OTL's West Virginia], Ohio[as OTL] , Pelisipia[OTL's southern Ill.], and Saratoga[OTL's far western New York]. His opponent, Charles Pinckney only wins Georgia, Delaware, the Carolinas, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Yazoo[OTL's Mississippi + Alabama originally], soon to be split in half with the eastern half renamed 'Alabama', with the western half becoming the Mississippi Territory.
The states of Tennessee and Kentucky are also admitted under Jefferson[no changes from OTL].
 Cotesworth Pinckney Comes back the next election, under his regime, the Americans invade Canada and British Florida, they manage to take much of Canada by the end of the year (1817), unfortunatly it becomes a stalemate, by 1819 new British Troops from Europe have arrived, American gains west Florida, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia. As an unpopular president he is not reelected. Meanwhile in Europe, the War of French Succession starts, all the major Europeon powers are involvedd, in the end, the Bourbons have the throne, Hanover becomes one of the United Kigdom.sn
 James Monrpoe and a grouip of Intellectual Farmers, have formed a new party, they are intellectuals seeking the expansion of the U.S. to the West and Exteneding Ahgriculture. During his regime, the New States of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, East Floida, Mississippi (Southern Wisconson), and Superior are admitted.!
Washingtonian Democrats (178six-????????????????) Generally a Federalist Party, are anti-Foreigners, are pro-industrial, very pro-military.
1. George Washington (178six-1804)
3. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (1812-181six)
Republican (1797-??????????????????) The Opponents of the Washingtonian Democrats, generally Pro-French, agricultural, and seek the expansion of slavery and agriculture.
2. Thomas Jefferson (1804-1812) VA
National Agriculturalists Republicans (1811-????????????????????????)
Now Updated 17/5!
In 1963, youthful, charismatic war-hero President Clay Overbury and the Speaker of the House are visiting Germany (where Overbury gives his famous "Ich bin ein Hamburger" speech), when both are killed in a small plane crash. Since Vice-President John Iselin and his wife were assassinated shortly after the election by his deranged step-son, and Overbury unwisely left that office unoccupied, the Presidency passes to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate - Douglas Dilman, a Republican - and a black man.
The nation is wracked by race riots. Dilman's actions are stymied at every turn by Congress, especially the Democratic and Southern controlled Senate. He barely retains office, facing impeachment on trumped up charges after firing the Secretary of State, but manages to finish his term. Despite the fact that Dilman doesn't seek the Republican nomination, the party brand is badly damaged in 1964, letting the Democrat Jordan Lyman easily win the election. Lyman might have had some trouble otherwise - he's much more of a dove than the usual American politician of his time. His total nuclear disarmament PEPPER treaty (Planned Elimination and Participatory Purge of Extirpative Rockets) is highly unpopular with both the public and the military, but Lyman is a committed idealist. Lyman's attempted to shore up his hawkish credentials by increasing support to America's allies in Sarkhan, but this had the opposite effect. Lyman later controversially fired all of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs for unknown reasons - perhaps the failures of the Sarkhanese War.
With so many young men being sent overseas, a growing political movement is demanding the lowering of the voting age to 18. However, the reigns of that movement are seized by the young activist Max Frost, and turns to the more radical slogan "Fifteen and Ready!" An Amendment is passed by the protest-battered Congress, a somewhat bizarre move by that conservative body. There are allegations that supporters of the Amendment drugged the entire legislative branch, but nothing is ever proven. The Amendment manages to pass the required number of states, piggy-backing on anger against the Sarkhanese War. The military, still strongly anti-Lyman, sees an easily controlled but popular figure in the form of Max Frost, and he is convinced to run for President on the Republican platform.
Upon his election, however, Frost is anything but a puppet. His regime begins to resemble something close to Cultural Revolution China, with youthful bands taking control of the military, the economy, and the political system. Adults who protest are jailed and drugged in concentration camps. Frost withdraws the military from Sarkhan and instead begins a worldwide campaign of foreign aide and bans the FBI. With an insurgent movement from an even younger revolutionary movement and a counter-revolution from the ultraconservative Friends of the American People group, the Frost government collapses. Unity candidate Ferris F. Fremont is elected to office in an emergency election, and while he restores many of the features of pre-Frost America, he retains the new limitations on civil rights. Fremont keeps control through his armed FAPer supporters and by threatening America with the specter of a returned Frostist movement, in the form of the (likely nonexistent) terrorist organization Aramchek.
FFF's excesses alarm America's business community, who turn to the only man with the popularity and political genius to beat the President in the next election - Chauncey Gardiner. The restrained but wise Gardiner administration has a hugely moderating effect on American politics, and Gardiner retires to pursue his love of botany after a single, highly successful term.
Replacing Gardiner as the first partisan candidate since Fremont unity government, Republican Rear Admiral Thomas "Tug" Benson is elected. Benson is a popular President, though his political opponents allege that the President is incurably stupid. Nevertheless, the President's personal participation in a rescue mission in Iraq, though perhaps ill-advised, ensures his continuing popularity. After two terms, Benson is replaced by Democratic Pennsylvania Senator John Blutarsky, whose term is marred by repeated sex and drug scandals. In 1996, Republican James Dale is elected, but massively botches Earth's first contact with alien life, leading to his death and the Acting Presidency of his daughter, Taffy.
With the Republicans again in disrepute and Taffy Dale constitutionally ineligible to serve as President, the eloquent Democrat Josiah "Jed" Bartlet is elected in 2000, and serves two terms. Bartlet leaves office highly popular, enough that he manages to keep his loathed Vice President from the nomination, which instead goes to Democratic Senator David Palmer. Palmer becomes America's second black President (the first elected to that office) and his Vice President, Selina Meyer, the first woman to fill that office.
With the economic recession and the repeated insane single-day terror threats of the Palmer administration, the election of 2012 is up in the air. Many thought the Republican nomination might go to 2008's Vice Presidential nominee, the psychotic soccer mom Frankie Fitzgibbons. However, ultimately the role was seized by a man who has been criticized for his off-putting personality and strange religious views. Nevertheless, many Americans do believe that the best man for the job is Nehemiah Scudder.
The Stars at Night - A Texas Timeline! 2012 Turtledove winner, yeehaw!
It all began in 1912, when a coalition of Democrats and Republicans, backed by big business and under the name "National Progressives" swept to power in Congress and the Presidency. The strict regulations they put on civil liberties was justified, they said, by the threat of anarchists and communists. Nevertheless, the political party and the government itself soon became known as the Iron Heel. The Iron Heel enacted stringent economic programs and regulations, aimed at bankrupting America's small and mid-size businesses, allowing them to be snapped up by the major trusts and corporations that back the government. Essential labor unions are paid lavishly, and they abandon their compatriots - especially agricultural laborers, who are reduced to effective serfs - for the benefits of playing along. The US army is massively expanded, ostensibly to quell internal and external threats, but in reality to control the population. When the Great War breaks out, the Iron Heel senses an opportunity, and begins locking up thousands as "security threats" and sending the surplus population to die in the trenches of Europe. After the war, the Iron Heel retains the remaining drafted soldiers as laborers to begin construction of the new national capital, Asgard.
Nevertheless, beginning around 1919, sporadic rebellions led by former soldiers break out. They eventually coalesce under the leadership of former officer, West Point graduate, and social worker Philip Dru. Primarily based in the west, while the Iron Heel is strongest in the east, the rebellion rages for several years before Dru's forces are successful. Dru appoints himself Administrator of the Republic, and divides the functions of government among five experts below him. The Dru Administration worked to restore American democracy until 1935, when Dru, declaring his work done, retires to study the Russian language.
Unfortunately, in the first restored Presidential election, the people turn to Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, who promises to restore America to international power - and a national fixed income for all citizens. Once in office, Windrip reforms the defunct National Guard under the name of the Minute Men, but they are little more than a band of mercenaries that exist to force his will upon the people. Windrip outlaws dissent, reopens the old concentration camps, and suspends Congress. But as his reign grows harsher and the economy only worsens, many flee to Canada, and an organization known as the New Underground begins to fight the government. Windrip's administration collapses in a flurry of coups, counter coups, and civil war.
Power descends on Nebraska Senator Andrew Harrison III just in time for a clash between the Germans and the Poles at Danzig to ignite the Second World War. After Hitler, Goebbels, and much of the Nazi leadership is killed in a mysterious theater fire / explosion in 1944, the war in Europe quickly comes to an end. Radioactive dust, developed through the research of Dr. Estelle Karst, ends the war in the Pacific soon after.
As Harrison finally leaves office, 1952 sees the election of the heroic general, weapons manufacturer for the war effort, and conservative business icon Oliver Warbucks. The nation is back on the road of progress, but we know what the future holds...
The Stars at Night - A Texas Timeline! 2012 Turtledove winner, yeehaw!
If you don't mind me putting this into the list form:
1.) Clayton 'Clay' Overbury** (Democratic-MA) 1960-1963
2.) Douglas 'Doug' Dilman (Republican-OH) 1963-1964
3.) Jordan Lyman (Democratic-MO) 1964-1968
4.) Maximilian 'Max' Frost (Republican-MN) 1968-1974
5.) Ferris Fremont (Democratic-WA) 1974-1976
6.) Chauncey Gardiner (Democratic-CA) 1976-1984
7.) Thomas 'Tug' Benson (Republican-DE) 1984-1992
8.) John Blutarsky (Democratic-PA) 1992-1996
9.) James 'Jimmy' Dale* (Republican-TX) 1996-1999
[Tiffany 'Taffy' Dale, Acting President, Sep. 1999-Nov. 2000]
10.) Josiah Bartlet (Democratic-NH) 2000-2008
11.) David 'Dave' Palmer (Democratic-IN) 2008-2012
Stars and Stripes: The Rise of the United States. Any comments & suggestions appreciated!