Adolf and amphetamines

[masteroftheveiledthreat]

It is almost certain that Hitler took a lot of amphetamines and downers the last few years of his life. What if he never took any amphetamines or anything like them, what difference would it have made?

[Michel Van]

Originally Posted by masteroftheveiledthreat

It is almost certain that Hitler took a lot of amphetamines and downers the last few years of his life. What if he never took any amphetamines or anything like them, what difference would it have made?

He got allot of the stuff in his blood, but the problem is that Hitler not take them self.
It was his doctor Theodore Morell who inject "Vitamultin" into Hitler posteriors
"Vitamultin" was mixture of amphetamines.
because of this Morell nickname was "Reichsspritzenmeister" (eng: The Reich's Injections Master)
by the way
doctor Theodore Morell also prescribe pills for Hitler
at end of War Hitler taking 28 different pills a day

[Dave Howery]

from what I've read, Morell was a whopping quack of a doctor. Among the things he prescribed for Hitler was very hot baths and injections of diluted strychnine (!)

[Tongera]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

from what I've read, Morell was a whopping quack of a doctor. Among the things he prescribed for Hitler was very hot baths and injections of diluted strychnine (!)

No quack, more reasonable Hitler?

[BlondieBC]

Originally Posted by Tongera

No quack, more reasonable Hitler?

Yes, that is a logical conclusion.

What % of people make better decision as drug addicts than before they became addicted? Very close to 0.

[Cook]

It is also worth noting that British Prime Minister Anthony Eden was taking large doses of an amphetamine and barbiturate combination called Drinamyl during the Suez Crisis. Drinamyl was banned in 1978, among its side effects are listed that is can cause impaired judgement, paranoia and detachment with reality.

And of course John Kennedy was was receiving regular large injections of amphetamine from Dr Jacobson (“Dr Feelgood”) during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[Zmflavius]

You might get one who's less disconnected from reality, but only in the 'no longer self-delusional to the extent that he moves around imaginary armies to win imaginary battles for imaginary victories." Most of the stuff we'd like to prevent, or, for that matter, the important stuff, is still going to occur as OTL.

[Killer300]

Originally Posted by Cook

It is also worth noting that British Prime Minister Anthony Eden was taking large doses of an amphetamine and barbiturate combination called Drinamyl during the Suez Crisis. Drinamyl was banned in 1978, among its side effects are listed that is can cause impaired judgement, paranoia and detachment with reality.

And of course John Kennedy was was receiving regular large injections of amphetamine from Dr Jacobson (“Dr Feelgood”) during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Damn, politicians are drug addicts frequently on top of everything else.

[BlairWitch749]

it's the pressure of the job

given Hitler's fairly intense personality disorders and their being heavily escalated by the growing military catasprophy; the speed was probably the only thing keeping him from blowing his brains out much earlier

[Tongera]

Originally Posted by BlairWitch749

it's the pressure of the job

given Hitler's fairly intense personality disorders and their being heavily escalated by the growing military catasprophy; the speed was probably the only thing keeping him from blowing his brains out much earlier

He could have avoided the pressure if he wasn't an idiot (war with the USA (largest industrial power), UK (largest navy and Emprie) and the Soviet Union (largest land army)).

[BlairWitch749]

Originally Posted by Tongera

He could have avoided the pressure if he wasn't an idiot (war with the USA (largest industrial power), UK (largest navy and Emprie) and the Soviet Union (largest land army)).

Hitler was a decisive and incisive military and political gambler from 33 to 41

He took Germany from being a 3rd rate power with a military barely capable of holding civil order into the dominant power on the continent with the strongest military in 6 years

do those successes (in the sense of achieving his goals) in that period qualify as "idiot"

[BlondieBC]

Originally Posted by BlairWitch749

Hitler was a decisive and incisive military and political gambler from 33 to 41

He took Germany from being a 3rd rate power with a military barely capable of holding civil order into the dominant power on the continent with the strongest military in 6 years

do those successes (in the sense of achieving his goals) in that period qualify as "idiot"

Agreed.

He was charismatic, intelligent, and had a gamblers instinct. He seem to also be viewed as handsome. He was also very evil.

[mosodake]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

from what I've read, Morell was a whopping quack of a doctor. Among the things he prescribed for Hitler was very hot baths and injections of diluted strychnine (!)

Strychnine, like amphetamines, acts as a stimulant at low doses. Athletes used to take it to improve endurance. They used to give it to racehorses as well.

[miketr]

Originally Posted by BlairWitch749

Hitler was a decisive and incisive military and political gambler from 33 to 41

He took Germany from being a 3rd rate power with a military barely capable of holding civil order into the dominant power on the continent with the strongest military in 6 years

do those successes (in the sense of achieving his goals) in that period qualify as "idiot"

Yah you shouldn't underestimate the mans capabilities because he was evil.

Michael

[Tongera]

Originally Posted by BlairWitch749

Hitler was a decisive and incisive military and political gambler from 33 to 41

He took Germany from being a 3rd rate power with a military barely capable of holding civil order into the dominant power on the continent with the strongest military in 6 years

do those successes (in the sense of achieving his goals) in that period qualify as "idiot"

I agree with you about bringing Germany back into a great power. He was still an idiot for fighting three of the powers i mentioned at the same time.

[Dave Howery]

Originally Posted by mosodake

Strychnine, like amphetamines, acts as a stimulant at low doses. Athletes used to take it to improve endurance. They used to give it to racehorses as well.

maybe, but if a doctor told me that he was going to give me an injection of strychnine because it was good for me, I'd at least get a second opinion. Apparently, one of the reasons Morrell gave him the injections was because, along with all the other abuse Hitler did to his health, he also got by on very little sleep every night...

[BlondieBC]

Originally Posted by Dave Howery

maybe, but if a doctor told me that he was going to give me an injection of strychnine because it was good for me, I'd at least get a second opinion. Apparently, one of the reasons Morrell gave him the injections was because, along with all the other abuse Hitler did to his health, he also got by on very little sleep every night...

But were the dangers understood back then?

The questions is more would your grandfather or great-grandfather have refused the shot?

[Urban fox]

Originally Posted by BlairWitch749

it's the pressure of the job

given Hitler's fairly intense personality disorders and their being heavily escalated by the growing military catasprophy; the speed was probably the only thing keeping him from blowing his brains out much earlier

Not to mention he was always sleep-deprived, was subject to crippling abdominal pains and irredeemably evil & insane.

Hitler was a decisive and incisive military and political gambler from 33 to 41

He took Germany from being a 3rd rate power with a military barely capable of holding civil order into the dominant power on the continent with the strongest military in 6 years

do those successes (in the sense of achieving his goals) in that period qualify as "idiot"

Hitler gets scant credit for those ‘’successes’’.

The Reichswehr was conceived of as a cadre army from 1918 onwards, and the various police force & militias in the Reich were also basically paramilitary organizations.

In addition the Weimar governments invested quite a bit in building U-Boats, tanks & planes covertly. Hitler was handed a military establishment ripe for regeneration into a major power. The results he got with it were mixed at best.

His early success as a war-leader, rested largely on the mistakes of his oppoenents, sheer dumb luck and the talents of some of his generals.

[RandomChance]

Originally Posted by BlondieBC

But were the dangers understood back then?

The questions is more would your grandfather or great-grandfather have refused the shot?

Not to mention people in general being less likely to question a Doctor about these things. There wasn't the cynicism of today, largely due to malpractice not being heavily covered by the media then.

[wietze]

surprised nobody mentioned the drinking habits of churchill yet, he wasn't what you would call a ideal leader either (so guess it just came down who made less mistakes).