TL-191 United States Presidential Election 1884.

[Turquoise Blue]

Well the United States is humiliated as a result of Blaine's foolish war with the CSA. His own home state lost land as a consequence of this.

Who will lead the United States in the nation's darkest hour?

The Socialist Party has appeared...


Democratic Nomination

President: William Hayden English, of Indiana
Vice President: Grover Cleveland, of New York


Republican Nomination

President: George F. Edmunds, of Vermont
Vice President: John Sherman, of Ohio


Socialist Nomination

President: James B. Weaver, of Iowa
Vice President: Charles N. Brumm, of Pennsylvania.

[Komodo20]

William Hayden English was a Southern sympathizer before they seceded and I cannot agree with the Democrats' social or economic policies either. Maybe once they start absorbing portions of the Republican Party, (OOC: That does happen in TL-191, right? Don't the more hawkish Republicans defect to the Democrats a little after Lincoln takes the more leftist ones to the Socialists?) but for now I am still keeping my distance from them.

OOC: Does the term "Bourbon Democrat" exist in TL-191?

The Socialists, on the other hand, are too soft on foreign policy and the rebels. If there is anything the sad history of North America has taught us, it is that our southern neighbors cannot be trusted to be neighborly in any such way. Pacifism on our parts just means the Confederates and their Allies running rampant in the rest of the Americas. Hell, remember how they wanted to put a canal through Nicaragua? Now THAT could have drastically altered the First Great War, and certainly not in our favor.

So, that means to the Republican Party! Let us continue to keep a hard line against the Confederates and their Allies(they may have won the last 2 wars, but not every righteous war is won by the righteous - we'll get them yet, though) while reforming our social and political system back home. (OOC: Also, his running mate was one of the original trust-busters)
George Edmunds, the bearded Hawk and Reformer from Vermont!

OOC: Also, as Edmunds had an unfortunate anti-Mormon streak, policies enacted towards them during his Presidency could help explain why they are so ready to rise up against the Federal Government in the First Great War.

[Turquoise Blue]

Jeez, the Democrats are not popular here...

[Abhakhazia]

OOC: Didn't Blaine run and lose in TL-191?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Abhakhazia

OOC: Didn't Blaine run and lose in TL-191?

OOC: Wha? I thought he didn't even bother to run again, knowing he would lose.

[Nerdlinger]

OOC: In Craigo's TL-191: Filling the Gaps, Blaine ran again in 1884 and lost (Sherman here was his running mate). TBH, I doubt the Republicans would have renominated him.

[bguy]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

OOC: In Craigo's TL-191: Filling the Gaps, Blaine ran again in 1884 and lost (Sherman here was his running mate). TBH, I doubt the Republicans would have renominated him.

OOC: Would any other prominent Republican have wanted the nomination though? They all know their party has no chance in 1884, so the party might have just sucked it up and let Blaine take the hit for them that year.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by bguy

OOC: Would any other prominent Republican have wanted the nomination though? They all know their party has no chance in 1884, so the party might have just sucked it up and let Blaine take the hit for them that year.

OOC: Nominating Blaine again, will kill the party. A different nomination could save the Republicans from total dissolution, which it did.

[Turquoise Blue]

So James B. Weaver, the Socialist, is winning? Kind of expected that.

[Turquoise Blue]

Bump. Vote more and maybe comment.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Bump. Vote more and maybe comment.

I can't vote any more than I already have, but here's a comment: I think the Socialists are going to take every election unless there's a big name (and popular) candidate for the Democrats or Republicans. If people here don't really recognize the names of the candidates, most of them (or a plurality of them) will default to the Socialist.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

I can't vote any more than I already have, but here's a comment: I think the Socialists are going to take every election unless there's a big name (and popular) candidate for the Democrats or Republicans. If people here don't really recognize the names of the candidates, most of them (or a plurality of them) will default to the Socialist.

I have realized that.

[jpj1421]

Weren't the Socialists a little bit more Hawkish at this time? I know their priority is economic and social issues, but with Lincoln at the head they were still hard on the Confederacy at this time...right? Otherwise, I may have made a mistake abandoning the Republicans.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by jpj1421

Weren't the Socialists a little bit more Hawkish at this time? I know their priority is economic and social issues, but with Lincoln at the head they were still hard on the Confederacy at this time...right? Otherwise, I may have made a mistake abandoning the Republicans.

Yeah, they were still hard on the Confederacy, I think. Their positions evolved after Lincoln's death in 1891 to be more conciliatory.

[jpj1421]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Yeah, they were still hard on the Confederacy, I think. Their positions evolved after Lincoln's death in 1891 to be more conciliatory.

Which was right around when Democrats starting taking up the Remembrance cause. Well, I'm locked in Socialist for one or two more elections. We need a hard line against the Confederates...but universal healthcare and pensions are nice too.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

Yeah, they were still hard on the Confederacy, I think. Their positions evolved after Lincoln's death in 1891 to be more conciliatory.

OOC: Did you just make up his death date? Filling the Gaps has it as 1885, though there was a suggestion that I liked to make it 1896 so that he'd be four score and seven years old when he died.

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Nerdlinger

OOC: Did you just make up his death date? Filling the Gaps has it as 1885, though there was a suggestion that I liked to make it 1896 so that he'd be four score and seven years old when he died.

OOC: 1891 seemed like a good compromise between the two dates, and it is ironic, since its thirty years since his inauguration.

[Trotsky]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

OOC: 1891 seemed like a good compromise between the two dates, and it is ironic, since its thirty years since his inauguration.

How is that ironic?

[Turquoise Blue]

Originally Posted by Trotsky

How is that ironic?

He became President, with lofty ideas in 1861. He dies a far different man, in 1891.

[Nerdlinger]

Originally Posted by Turquoise Blue

He became President, with lofty ideas in 1861. He dies a far different man, in 1891.

That's more tragic than ironic.